Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-12-04 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Joe Ortenzi wrote: standards compliance should not be confused with WCAG conformance. HTML is a standard WCAG is a guidance that people use as if it were a "standard", which could easily be a standard but is effectively not one. However, complying with WCAG confers added benefits which standar

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-12-03 Thread Andrew Maben
On Dec 3, 2008, at 8:19 AM, Stuart Foulstone wrote: Accessibility is an extension of usability to include non-standard ways of browsing the web. Complying with WCAG is step towards accessibility. Careful consideration has to be given how one applies WCAG meaningfully. Research has shown t

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-12-03 Thread Stuart Foulstone
I was not using the term "standards" in the sense of a standards to be met then everything is OK, but as a collective of best practices. Web standards in the sense that I meant it, means designing with usability and accessibility in mind. Valid code is a pre-requisite to this. Usability is the n

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-12-02 Thread Joe Ortenzi
standards compliance should not be confused with WCAG conformance. HTML is a standard WCAG is a guidance that people use as if it were a "standard", which could easily be a standard but is effectively not one. However, complying with WCAG confers added benefits which standards compliance cr

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-28 Thread Stuart Foulstone
It may validate, but valid code is just a pre-requisite to achieving standards compliance. On Fri, November 28, 2008 8:43 pm, Dave Hall wrote: > On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 13:07 +, Stuart Foulstone wrote: >> Blinking text is against standards in itself, so how can you do it in a >> standards compl

RE: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-28 Thread Steve Green
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hall Sent: 28 November 2008 20:44 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] the Name attribute On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 13:07 +, Stuart Foulstone wrote: > Blinking text is against standards in

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-28 Thread Dave Hall
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 13:07 +, Stuart Foulstone wrote: > Blinking text is against standards in itself, so how can you do it in a > standards compliant way? Using the sample I posted - see below. That validates. Cheers Dave > > On Fri, November 28, 2008 10:45 am, Dave Hall wrote: > >>

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-28 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Blinking text is against standards in itself, so how can you do it in a standards compliant way? On Fri, November 28, 2008 10:45 am, Dave Hall wrote: > On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 23:11 -0600, Brett Patterson wrote: >> What Dave? > > I was simply illustrating how to make text blink in a standards > com

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-28 Thread Dave Hall
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 23:11 -0600, Brett Patterson wrote: > What Dave? I was simply illustrating how to make text blink in a standards compliant way. You never know someone might find such information useful one day. The example I provided would allow them to avoid using the ugly non standard

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-27 Thread Brett Patterson
What Dave? On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Dave Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 10:18 +, David Dorward wrote: > > Brett Patterson wrote: > > > Where could I find a good information site about the > > > document.images.imageId script line, please? > > > > > http://www.

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-27 Thread Dave Hall
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 10:18 +, David Dorward wrote: > Brett Patterson wrote: > > Where could I find a good information site about the > > document.images.imageId script line, please? > > http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-DOM-Level-1-19981001/level-one-html.html#ID-26809268 > > > And if you are tr

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-27 Thread David Dorward
Brett Patterson wrote: > Where could I find a good information site about the > document.images.imageId script line, please? http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-DOM-Level-1-19981001/level-one-html.html#ID-26809268 > And if you are trying to code using codes such as > http://www.kirupa.com/forum/showthr

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-26 Thread Brett Patterson
Where could I find a good information site about the document.images.imageId script line, please? And if you are trying to code using codes such as http://www.kirupa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=217502 Just an example. A quick search to find. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:52 PM, David Dorward <[EMAIL P

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-26 Thread David Dorward
Brett Patterson wrote: > So I thought. But why, when using JavaScript can you not target the ID > of an element such as an image? You can. > You can target the name, but not the ID, Incorrect. > not without document.getElementById Why would you want to do it without document.getElementById? E

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-26 Thread Brett Patterson
So I thought. But why, when using JavaScript can you not target the ID of an element such as an image? You can target the name, but not the ID, not without document.getElementById-blah blah blah, so how can it duplicate it? It seems then, that is does not. On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Davi

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-25 Thread David Dorward
Brett Patterson wrote: > I don't why, but XHTML (I am using Strict 1.0 in the below examples), > has deprecated the use of the name attribute. That being said, my > question is, "Why was the name attribute deprecated?". Because (on the elements upon which it was deprecated) it did nothing except d

Re: [WSG] the Name attribute

2008-11-25 Thread Brett Patterson
That is strange, the examples didn't show. Any idea as to why? On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Brett Patterson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't why, but XHTML (I am using Strict 1.0 in the below examples), has > deprecated the use of the name attribute. That being said, my question is, > "