Re: [WSG] Interview markup?
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 14:53:46 +1000, Michael Nelson wrote: I mean, a definition list is really for definitions No, I don't agree. The W3C docs site two example uses: - a standard term and definition usage, and - marking up dialogues. see http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 Clearly, the second of these is *not* a definition, and is somewhat close to an interview. A Definition List, despite its poor name, is useful for linking series of two elements. A1-A2 B1-B2 C1-C2 (yes, also D1-D2, D3) I think its perfect for an interview type layout Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet The leading a href=http://elysiansystems.com/;Brisbane Search Engine Optimisation/a firm Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Browsing without images
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: just checked the various IR methods. your best bet looks like Gilder/Levin and/or the Shea enhancement http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/ Hmmm... I like the Gilder/Levin method... Oh and sorry I haven't been keeping up with the old image replacement disscussion lately, I was taking a shower. Thanks, Marc. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Recap of free briefing for Education and Government
Last Thursday night was our Adopting Web Standards - Free briefing for Education and Government. It was a highly successful night with almost 100 education and government developers in attendance. Roger Hudson presented Universal Accessibility - with some very interesting demonstrations. His notes (which do not do justice to the great presentation) are here: http://we04.com/resources/accessibility/ Dean Jackson from the W3C spoke about Web Standards in Education and Government. His notes are here: http://www.w3.org/2004/Talks/dj-we04-edugov/ A more detailed recap here: http://we04.com/blog/archives/90.htm Thanks Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] scroll inside a page
HiTed, Ryan, Jeffery an Peter, everything works fine now. I didn't trythisthis 'overflow:scroll' yet, but I'll keep it in mind if I wanta mainpage-scroll look likean inner scroll 'cause I guess hereone can style them together via CSS. And http://www.shauninman.com/mentary/past/ifr_revisited_and_revisedphpis great for horizontal inner scrolls when I need them. Mysolution for now I found in the answer from Jeffery Lowder [Re: Links to Anchors in scrolling Divs, 31-08-2004] on http://www.squidfingers.com/code/dhtml/?id=divscroller2, here you can use images for the scroll andhave links for different scroll-units on the same page which I found a good idea to add (great script!). And Peter, I'll dive into this later, I've tryed the validation and most errors are the missing ALT-tags on images (and all my 'margin's - why's that?!), and I must admit I never really thought of blind people... Thanks for all, Dani - Original Message - From: Ted Drake To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 5:19 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] scroll inside a page Hi Dani The easiest approach is putting your information in a div and then setting it to add scroll bars when the data overflows. I believe it is overflow:scroll. I'm doing this off the top of my head and it could be auto or another setting. You could also use css to style the scroll bar. What you have is clean looking, almost flash-like. I'm sure there is a cross-browser _javascript_ that will do a similar job. Ted Thorsten wrote:you can use "overflow:auto;" on a div which results in scroll bars being added as soon as the contained text/content gets too longthe proprietary scroll bar stuff one of the other posters mentioned is colouring the scroll bars themselves, i believe, not "overflow:;". -Original Message-From: Daniela Hoffmann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 5:06 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] scroll inside a page Hi all, I'm new to this group and allI knowabout webstandards is that if you follow them, it makes your site better browser-compatible. And that's my problem: In my site http://home.uva.nl/daniela/new/in the page http://home.uva.nl/daniela/new/contact.htmI use some _javascript_ for a scroll inside the page that only works in Microsoft IE. How kan I check my sites about how far they (don't!) meet these standards, anddoes anyone know abrowser-compatible solution forsuch ascroll? Thanks, guess I'm a humble beginner... Dani
[WSG] When to start?
Hi, I was wondering what would be the best time to start using XForms? Thankfully IBM and Novell are lending a hand to Mozilla to get XForms into the core and I hope this isn't a long development process. I am unsure as to what I should limit myself to in terms of standards compliance and semantic markup. I am working on a project with a few people and they're sort of wanting to make a partial living out of it, whereas im in it for the coding and this is stopping me from adopting XForms straight into the framework because of their potential customers being a mass IE user base. I know there are a few plugins around for IE, but should I really worry if IE doesn't support something that is, in my mind, wonderful for the internet? Im just thankful I could convince the designers to use XML/XSLT on the template side, which allows us to add more portability to the software. Anyways, just checking in to see if anyone is adopting XForms at this moment, going with Web Forms 2.0, or going to just force themselves to adopt MS technologies. Regards, Dylan. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] web essentials briefing/ westciv CSS Guide
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:43:36 +1000, Hugh Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you're based in Oz however you'd be a fool to miss it. Why, though? The calibre of the people looks fantastic, but would it be worth spending $750 to see them? I really, really, really, REALLY wish I could go, but making the trip across the Nullabor is just not possible this year (moving into our new house in three weeks time). The calibre of speakers looks great, and from my experiences attending MXDU these past two years, a major part of attending conferences like these is the social and networking aspect. Where else will you get to hang out with html geeks, standards nazis and css heads? You can learn stuff just by osmosis. Yet another reason to support conferences like these is to encourage the industry to hold more. Damn, I *so* wish I could go! K. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] www.meetup.com launches standards compliant site
the css for www.meetup.com is valid and except for a few small quibbles the xhtml is valid too -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Fake link, All JS, or CSS+Conditional Comments?
I'm building an expanding menu and I'm trying to decide the best route to take. The idea is that by clicking on an item it will either be a link or open the sub-menu. The problem come in for the sub-menu headings and IE's lack of support for :hover. So here are the options: 1) dta href=#Heading/adt; 2) dtHeadingdt and use JavaScript mouse-overs; or 3) dtHeadingdt, CSS :hover, and feed JavaScript to IE via Conditional Comments? The onclicks will be added through scripting and the close effect will be through CSS. As I see it, 1) is non-semantic mark-up, 2) is mixing presentation with behavior, and 3) is a kludge. I'm thinking of going with 1) is it isn't totally without semantic value. On the other hand, 3) it tempting since it starts with proper separation, even though it uses a hack (though a relatively safe one). If JavaScript isn't available the menus will either default to all open or use PHP. So, what are your thought? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Empty DT's?
Related to my last thread (Fake link,...), I'm debating which is the better choice: using a consistent framework, but have an (usually) empty dt, or use a ul for the top level? Here's what the code would look like: *dl dt!--optional Menu Heading--/dt dda href=opt1.htmlOpt1/a/dd dd dl dtSub-Menu Heading Opt2/dt dda href=opt2a.htmlOpt2a/a/dd dd dl dtSub-Menu Heading Opt2b/dt dda href=opt2b1.htmlOpt2b1/a/dd dda href=opt2b2.htmlOpt2b2/a/dd /dl /dd dd**a href=opt2c.htmlOpt2c/a/dd** dl /dd dd**a href=opt1.htmlOpt1/a/dd** dl The dt's are the headings and the dd's are the links. Very consistent and very semantic (except for the first empty dt). It may even simplify scripting because it's consistent. The alternative is to use a ul for the top level: ul li**a href=opt1.htmlOpt1/a**/li li dl dt**Sub-Menu Heading Opt2**/dt** dd**a href=opt2a.htmlOpt2a/a**/dd etc... In**consistent**, but no empty dt's. *** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Fake link, All JS, or CSS+Conditional Comments?
On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 16:24:09 +0200, Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm building an expanding menu and I'm trying to decide the best route
to take. The idea is that by clicking on an item it will either be a
[snip]
If JavaScript isn't available the menus will either default to all open
or use PHP.
You've got php, right?
Create the menu as nested unordered lists.
Add a class to the current menu and have its submenu be visible with css.
#nav li ul{display: none;}
#nav li.current ul{display: block;}
The heading links should be normal links.
http://www.evolt.org/article/Links_and_JavaScript_Living_Together_in_Harmony/17/20938/
If you don't have any pages that represent the top level in your menu
you can still inform your server about the click.
a href=?currentmenu=contactcontact heading/a
You can add javascript if you don't want to make people with javascript wait.
Add event handlers onload and make them change the classname of the li
to open or something like that.
Then add this to your css:
#nav li.open ul{display: block;}
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Re: [WSG] Browsing without images
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 14:16:26 +0100, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You just realised it, but this has been a huge part of the whole image replacement discussion from the beginning. http://www.google.com/search?q=accessibility+image+replacement+css No, there's no way to test if images are turned off. If I read it correctly Peter-Paul Koch's DOM-based FIR does: http://www.quirksmode.org/dom/fir.html Neat -- loads a test image into the DOM and only does the image-replacement once that's loaded. Dunno if the assumption about screen readers not loading images is correct, though... James ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Z-Index in IE - Got a problem need help
Hello,
After reading DWWS (Zeldman) and fiddling around with some DOM
script, I've got a series of tabs which when clicked reveal a menu underneath,
using toggling of the CSS display element. (display:
none; and display: ; is toggled).
I used Z-index 1 for the tab, and Z-index 2 for the content,
so that the content will be above the tab and the content background will
overlap the bottom of the tab for that "extending effect".
You can use Mozilla/Firefox/Opera to see what I mean at http://www.ikonik.net/2/. It works in
Internet Explorer but the tabs 'flicker'. Is this a problem with the Z-index in
IE or have I done something else wrong with my CSS? link: http://www.ikonik.net/2/css/visual.css.
Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance.
Snippets:
CSS:
#features .sidecontent {background:
url(../img/iko/sdmid.gif) repeat-y bottom center;z-index:
2;position: relative;margin-top: -15px;padding:
5px 10px 10px;
}#features h2
{z-index: 1;margin-top: 5;margin-left:
0;margin-bottom: 0px;width:
195px;background-color: #FFF;color: #666;position:
relative;
XHTML:
div id="features"
h2a href=""
title="Categories (View/Hide)"img src=""
alt="Categories" //a/h2 div
id="categories" class="sidecontent" style="display:none;"
ul liTech and
Web/li liArt and
Design/li
liThoughts and Life/li
/ul /div
/div
Thanks again, it's probably something real silly but I can't
work it out. I only have a flicker problem in IE.
Jay S Hills
www.ikonik.net
Re: [WSG] Browsing without images
James Denholm-Price wrote: Dunno if the assumption about screen readers not loading images is correct, though... The main mistake in that article is that, for the most part, screen readers don't do anything on their own. They're pieces of software which run on top of the normal operating system. To browse the web, a blind person uses IE, Firefox or whatever, with screen reader software interpreting the output of said browser. Therefore, it's not about whether screen readers load images...it's about the browser that the user is running. (caveat: there are older pieces of software, not completely screen readers but more like custom talking browsers, which can behave differently...but they're certainly the exception) I'm not particularly fond of PPK's solution, as it only allows for two scenarios: CSS+javascript - to get nice image replacement - or bare bones text. No middle ground for just CSS. As I said, the safest option are those techniques that cover the original text with an image, without hiding the underlying text via visibility:hidden, display:none or text-indent:-1000em or whatever. Patrick _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Fake link, All JS, or CSS+Conditional Comments?
Kristof Neirynck wrote: You've got php, right? Sorry, but your answer is irrelevant as it completely ignores my question. I wasn't asking HOW to make it work. I am already skilled in CSS, JavaScript, and PHP and the methods suggested by the evolt article are good for a beginner, but I find them flawed as they mix the behavior and semantic layers. My question was since IE doesn't understand the proper way, where presentation, semantics, and behavior are all properly separated (I think :hover is proper in the presentational layer as the behavior is already separated, but instead of through scripting, it's built in to the browser), which work-around is the least evil? In truth, I'm not looking for an answer, for I'm not sure there even is a right answer; what I am looking for are opinions. In the end I'll make my own decision, but with the help of other opinions I hope to make a better decision. Thanks anyway, though. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Z-Index in IE - Got a problem need help
Hello,
After reading DWWS (Zeldman) and fiddling around with some DOM script, I've
got a series of tabs which when clicked reveal a menu underneath, using
toggling of the CSS display element. (display: none; and display: ; is
toggled).
I used Z-index 1 for the tab, and Z-index 2 for the content, so that the
content will be above the tab and the content background will overlap the
bottom of the tab for that extending effect.
You can use Mozilla/Firefox/Opera to see what I mean at
http://www.ikonik.net/2/. It works in Internet Explorer but the tabs
'flicker'. Is this a problem with the Z-index in IE or have I done something
else wrong with my CSS? link: http://www.ikonik.net/2/css/visual.css.
Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance.
---
Snippets:
CSS:
#features .sidecontent {
background: url(../img/iko/sdmid.gif) repeat-y bottom center;
z-index: 2;
position: relative;
margin-top: -15px;
padding: 5px 10px 10px;
}
#features h2 {
z-index: 1;
margin-top: 5;
margin-left: 0;
margin-bottom: 0px;
width: 195px;
background-color: #FFF;
color: #666;
position: relative;
XHTML:
div id=features
h2a href=# onclick=toggle('categories');return false;
title=Categories (View/Hide)img src=img/iko/sdtop-categories.gif
alt=Categories //a/h2
div id=categories class=sidecontent style=display:none;
ul
liTech and Web/li
liArt and Design/li
liThoughts and Life/li
/ul
/div
/div
---
Thanks again, it's probably something real silly but I can't work it out. I
only have a flicker problem in IE.
Jay S Hills
www.ikonik.net
ps. For some reason 'MDaemon' (daemonite.net?) puts me down as spam so I can
never submit to this list usually.
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RE: [WSG] Anyone know of any good DOM tutorials?
Hi Michael,
No, :hover isn't an option since what I want to do is have stuff hidden when
you print it. I'm using Zeldman's toggle script, and I want to set it up
so that only expanded items will print (at the moment the headings of
non-expanded items also prints, so that you get a lot of wasted paper). It's
in a reports section, so logically a person printing the page is only
interested in the section they've expanded.
So we have something like:
ul
li class=noPrinta href=# onclick=toggle(1)
onKeyPress=toggle(1)CategoryName1/a/li
li class=noPrint
ul id=1 style=display: none;
li class=noPrinta href=# onclick=toggle(2)
onKeyPress=toggle(2)SubcategoryName1/a/li
li class=noPrint
ul id=2 style=display: none;
li class=noPrinta href=# onclick=toggle(3)
onKeyPress=toggle(3)SectionName1/a/li
li
div id=3 style=display: none;
pItemName1/p
/div
/li
/ul
/li
/ul
/li
li class=noPrinta href=# onclick=toggle(4)
onKeyPress=toggle(4)CategoryName2/a/li
li class=noPrint
ul id=4 style=display: none;
li class=noPrinta href=# onclick=toggle(5)
onKeyPress=toggle(5)SubcategoryName2/a/li
li class=noPrint
ul id=5 style=display: none;
li class=noPrinta href=# onclick=toggle(6)
onKeyPress=toggle(6)SectionName2/a/li
li
div id=6 style=display: none;
pItemName2/p
/div
/li
/ul
/li
/ul
/li
/ul
This is a cutdown version of the code for the page, taking out all of the
other details that show along with the ItemName, as well as the code for the
looping (I've pasted in two sets instead, just to give the idea), but it
shows the essential format. What I want is that if only the top set is
expanded, CategoryName2 will not actually print at all. So when a link is
clicked, as well as toggling the referred ID to visible, it will set the
class of the parent element from noPrint to Print.
Is that something that can be done? How do you isolate the parent element to
do something to it?
Seona.
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Anyone know of any good DOM tutorials?
Seona,
Is there good reason not to use CSS psuedo classes such as :hover etc?
(http://www.htmldog.com/guides/cssintermediate/pseudoclasses/)
I guess you're doing something more complex than the example below...
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 08:28, Michael Nelson wrote:
Hmm... not sure about a tutorial, but adapting Patrick Griffaths DOM
example for avoiding email spam at
http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/archives/63.php
would give something like:
function changeClass(id, newclass){
elementToChange = document.getElementById(id);
elementToChange.setAttribute(class, newclass);
}
Then you'd need to associate this function with the element/event that
you want to use... such as:
document.getElementById(myMenuItem).onmouseover = function(){
changeClass(myMenuItem, thenewclassname)}
Actually, with the last bit I'm not too sure whether I'm mixing my old
JS habits with proper DOM coding... perhaps someone more knowledgable
can check it when they read this!
Hope it helps!
-Michael.
On Sat, 2004-09-04 at 07:42, Seona Bellamy wrote:
Hi guys,
Anyone know where I can find a good, easy to follow online
tutorial on using
the DOM to control elements on a webpage? Specifically, I
need to change the
class of an element to a different class.
Cheers,
Seona.
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Re: [WSG] Z-Index in IE - Got a problem need help
Jay Hills wrote: You can use Mozilla/Firefox/Opera to see what I mean at http://www.ikonik.net/2/. It works in Internet Explorer but the tabs 'flicker'. Is this a problem with the Z-index in IE or have I done something else wrong with my CSS? link: http://www.ikonik.net/2/css/visual.css. Hi Jay Once you've dropped down a .sidecontent menu, in IE6, if you click elsewhere on the page, the hidden element leaps to the top of the z-order. I think the problem arises from using margins to effect the overlap. Additionally, due to the order of execution, this is also responsible for the flicker. If you use the actual positioning of the .sidecontent elements (say, top: -25px;) instead of deflating the margin then the strange effects in IE go away. I've created a mock up at http://www.wasabicube.com/test/testover.html which demonstrates this working. Cheers Peter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Anyone know of any good DOM tutorials?
Why not simply set up your Print CSS file to print only the main content? If the person is only after that information everything else is a waste of paper. Everyone always tries to find fancy ways to do simply tasks. Shame. Lee Roberts HYPERLINK http://www.roserockdesign.com http://www.roserockdesign.com HYPERLINK http://www.applepiecart.com http://www.applepiecart.com _ From: Seona Bellamy [HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 5:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Anyone know of any good DOM tutorials? Hi Michael, No, :hover isn't an option since what I want to do is have stuff hidden when you print it. I'm using Zeldman's toggle script, and I want to set it up so that only expanded items will print (at the moment the headings of non-expanded items also prints, so that you get a lot of wasted paper). It's in a reports section, so logically a person printing the page is only interested in the section they've expanded. So we have something like: ul li class=noPrinta href=# onclick=toggle(1) onKeyPress=toggle(1)CategoryName1/a/li li class=noPrint ul id=1 style=display: none; li class=noPrinta href=# onclick=toggle(2) onKeyPress=toggle(2)SubcategoryName1/a/li li class=noPrint ul id=2 style=display: none; li class=noPrinta href=# onclick=toggle(3) onKeyPress=toggle(3)SectionName1/a/li li div id=3 style=display: none; pItemName1/p /div /li /ul /li /ul /li li class=noPrinta href=# onclick=toggle(4) onKeyPress=toggle(4)CategoryName2/a/li li class=noPrint ul id=4 style=display: none; li class=noPrinta href=# onclick=toggle(5) onKeyPress=toggle(5)SubcategoryName2/a/li li class=noPrint ul id=5 style=display: none; li class=noPrinta href=# onclick=toggle(6) onKeyPress=toggle(6)SectionName2/a/li li div id=6 style=display: none; pItemName2/p /div /li /ul /li /ul /li /ul This is a cutdown version of the code for the page, taking out all of the other details that show along with the ItemName, as well as the code for the looping (I've pasted in two sets instead, just to give the idea), but it shows the essential format. What I want is that if only the top set is expanded, CategoryName2 will not actually print at all. So when a link is clicked, as well as toggling the referred ID to visible, it will set the class of the parent element from noPrint to Print. Is that something that can be done? How do you isolate the parent element to do something to it? Seona. -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.262 / Virus Database: 264.7.7 - Release Date: 9/3/2004 attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [WSG] When to start?
Dylan, If you have no worries about shunting out a massive percentage of IE (and other browser) users to adopt a new technology with very little support, then go for it. Yes, that's sarcasm. You haven't told us what sort of site it is, but there ARE circumstances where this would be fine (if you could guarantee browser support via plug-ins or browser choice, like a corporate intranet), and there are some sites that could get away with forcing tight browser restrictions (like a site just for your small circle of friends, all of which have the necessary browser requirements). But the reality is that any site aimed at the general public needs to cater for the widest possible user base, without requirement of obscure plug-ins or edge browsers. Justin On 05/09/2004, at 7:37 PM, Dylan Egan wrote: Hi, I was wondering what would be the best time to start using XForms? Thankfully IBM and Novell are lending a hand to Mozilla to get XForms into the core and I hope this isn't a long development process. I am unsure as to what I should limit myself to in terms of standards compliance and semantic markup. I am working on a project with a few people and they're sort of wanting to make a partial living out of it, whereas im in it for the coding and this is stopping me from adopting XForms straight into the framework because of their potential customers being a mass IE user base. I know there are a few plugins around for IE, but should I really worry if IE doesn't support something that is, in my mind, wonderful for the internet? Im just thankful I could convince the designers to use XML/XSLT on the template side, which allows us to add more portability to the software. Anyways, just checking in to see if anyone is adopting XForms at this moment, going with Web Forms 2.0, or going to just force themselves to adopt MS technologies. Regards, Dylan. --- Justin French http://indent.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Brisbane Meeting, Wednesday
Wednesday 8 September (2 days from now) sees the Brisbane September meeting. We are proud to have John Allsopp (WestCiv - well known for Stylemaster) who will give a presentation entitled HTML, XHTML, semantics and the future of the web. Please make an entry in your diary and RSVP to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you haven't already done so - usual location, 6:30 start for 7PM. Drop us a line if you like to come but aren't familiar with the location and we'll fill you in :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Web Design, Usability, Information Architecture, Search Engine Optimisation Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Horizontal Scroll
Hiya :o) CSS Question here: How do I get a horizontal scroll bar in a DIV but NOT a vertical scroll bar? Cheers, Richard ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Brisbane Meeting, Wednesday
Lea, can I just say I am very much looking forward to being there. But just one slightly off topic question for any who lives in Brisbane or travel there frequently (please answer offlist) What's the best way to get from the airport to the CBD. Taxi? Bus? Other? Thanks, and see you in Brisbane Weds night, John John Allsopp :: westciv :: http://www.westciv.com/ software, courses, resources for a standards based web :: style master blog :: http://westciv.typepad.com/dog_or_higher/ :: WebEssentials Sept 2004 Sydney Australia :: http://www.we04.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
