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Detected what? What did I do so wrong?
Man, I thought I was a good citizen here.
Thank you,
Rick
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I'm trying to make a page that will display some source code. The PRE
tag works very will with retaining \t and \n but I can not find a way
to make it wrap words. Words fly off the monitor...
I've been reading around (via Google) and I find others with similar
problems but no solution. Is
Hey,
what is this? it seems to have been mailed to the list and not
specifically to me?
Spam?
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The message is in the public archives and not adressed to you.
It contains a zip-file. This zip contains a
htm-file, but in fact its a
htmpif
wich will infect you Windows computer
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On 5/31/05, Nathan Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey,
what is this? it seems to have been mailed to the list and not
specifically to me?
Spam?
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DONT open the zip file attached to that USER VIOLATION email.
I dowloaded it an my virus software picked up a trojan horse right away.
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I've been receiving a few messages like this, but from my
[EMAIL PROTECTED] so it looks like I'm emailing myself. It always
says more info is attached and there's always a zipped attachment
included.
~john
Just fair-weather words
from a four-letter friend.
on 5/31/2005 10:06 AM Rick
I'm trying to make a page that will display some source code. The PRE
tag works very will with retaining \t and \n but I can not find a way
to make it wrap words. Words fly off the monitor...
Shouldn't you be using the code tag instead? It's a semantically better option.
However, the
Well, that was fun! I foolishly trusted that the email was from the
group ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and that I had for some reason been
suspended. So I opened the attachment and clicked the file! How foolish of
me! If only I had expanded the width of the filename column. It even had a
program like
Prabhath - code is an inline element, so while is should probably be
included somewhere in marking up code, you need something else on the
outside of it to create the block. pre is semantically pretty sound
for this, since code is pre-formatted and some languages are
white-space sensitive, for
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To split hairs, though, the problem with pre seems to be that it
appears very much like a presentational, rather than a semantic element.
Any semantics seem to be inferred by the fact that the content is
preformatted, which is a
After some testing, I think it's best to stick to using pre for
blocks of code. code won't preserve whitespace, so your code's
not going to have any indenting unless you use a lot of non-breaking
spaces which will inflate the size of your file and not to mention a
real be a pain in the butt to
Hello everyone,
I am seraching for a standards-compliant classified ad solution.
The best non-compliant solution I've found is this:
http://www.geodesicsolutions.com/products/classifieds/classifieds_enterprise.htm
Does anyone know of a standards-compliant solution that is comparable to this?
This is really a topic for the CMS list. Please carry on the conversation
there.
Regards,
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Nicol
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:09 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Looking
designer
Surely, the fact that pre denotes 'preformatting' means that the
formatting has occurred 'somewhere else' and not in the body
of the html.
So, in that sense, in what way is pre 'presentational' any
more than all
CSS is 'presentational?
Aeh...I'm not quite following your
Hi,
Luckily, I thought it a little strange to receive an email from WSG
informing me that I'd been removed from their mailing list. Especially as
the email was from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and contained a download -
which I ignored! I'm just wondering, as I use MailWasher Pro, I could
bounce said email
Can somebody please tell me where I can find a chart that shows what
browsers, if any, don't support display: table-row ?
Thanks.
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can someone give me a good explanation on what information
acrhitecture is as it relates to web standards? I seen the word(s)
used a lot lately.
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I was sure that there was some major browser not implementing
display:inline-block, but in a quick test firefox 1.03, Opera 7 8
and even IE 6 are interpreting it correctly.I have yet to test on a
mac, but that would seem to cover a lot of users. Anything I'm
missing? Any recent documentation
Hi all,
I think I may have found a new way to enhance the original idea:
The demo (scalable image):
http://www.TJKDesign.com/articles/tip_5.asp
The article:
http://www.TJKDesign.com/articles/tip.asp
Please report any error you may find.
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Bruce Gilbert
can someone give me a good explanation on what information
acrhitecture is as it relates to web standards?
IA is a completely separate discipline, which - to be honest -
has nothing to do with web standards (so don't be surprised if
this thread gets closed fairly quickly). To
Thanks for the discussion folks...
Actually, because I can't really find a way to get by on the word-wrap
issue and also the use of indents (as they appear in the code) I've
done all of this in php without code or pre. It uses nbsp;'s for the
tabs (preg_replace(/\t/...). Aside from
Try these two:
http://nanobox.chipx86.com/browser_support.php
http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html
Russ
Can somebody please tell me where I can find a chart that shows what
browsers, if any, don't support display: table-row ?
Thanks.
Thierry Koblentz
I think I may have found a new way to enhance the original idea:
The demo (scalable image):
http://www.TJKDesign.com/articles/tip_5.asp
The article:
http://www.TJKDesign.com/articles/tip.asp
Maybe I'm missing the point here, but...have we just come full circle?
If you're
Vaska.WSG
I've
done all of this in php without code or pre.
CODE is still the semantically correct element to wrap around this
type of content, though...
What I'm doing is meant purely for presentation...it's a fast
way for a
person to view a script and try to determine where a bug
Well, I don't fancy it much, I don't like the idea of presentational
image in HTML... I personally use own solution[1], based partly on
Dynatext[2]. Now I'm playing with Anatoly's DIR[3]
[1] Can be seen on http://www.janbrasna.com/ or http://www.bonsoir.cz/
[2]
Hi Bruce,
I'd also add to what Patrick said and say that IA, usability, SEO,
accessibility, user interface design, etc. are components of an even
bigger picture called User Experience Design (the broadest map of Web
development).
Here's another good article by Garrett that covers some of these
On 31 May 2005, at 10:42 pm, kemie guaida wrote:
I was sure that there was some major browser not implementing
display:inline-block, but in a quick test firefox 1.03, Opera 7 8 and
even IE 6 are interpreting it correctly.I have yet to test on a mac,
but that would seem to cover a lot of
From: Ben
After some testing, I think it's best to stick to using pre for
blocks of code. code won't preserve whitespace, so your code's
not going to have any indenting unless you use a lot of non-breaking
spaces which will inflate the size of your file and not to mention
a real be a pain
Recently a CSS compressor utility has been making its rounds
on the del.icio.us/Furl bookmark sites (and the like). Removing
whitespace and comments from stylesheets, cramming them all into
one file, and similar naive approaches to improving a site's
response time are far less effective strategies
Vaska.WSG schrieb:
Actually, because I can't really find a way to get by on the word-wrap
issue and also the use of indents (as they appear in the code) I've
done all of this in php without code or pre. It uses nbsp;'s for the
tabs (preg_replace(/\t/...).
...
If you are curious this is
Jan Brasna wrote:
Well, I don't fancy it much, I don't like the idea of presentational
image in HTML... I personally use own solution[1], based partly on
Dynatext[2]. Now I'm playing with Anatoly's DIR[3]
http://fecklessmind.com/main/5/definitive-solution-to-image-replacement
If the user
Patrick Lauke wrote:
Maybe I'm missing the point here, but...have we just come full circle?
If you're already adding IMG to the markup, what's the point of doing
h1img src=/img/helloworld.gif alt= /Hello World/h1
and applying lots of CSS to hide the text, if a simple
h1img
On 5/31/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You mean even if images are disabled?
That's true with some browsers, but not all. I believe FF and Safari do not
show the alt attribute value at all when images are disabled. And in MSIE,
this value is not displayed in relation to the
This doesn't quite answer your question - but if you want to test on a MAC
and don't have one I found a resource yesterday...
http://danvine.com/icapture/
It's not as good as the others I suppose but it is free.
Heather
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From: kemie guaida [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pixeldiva wrote:
You mean even if images are disabled?
That's true with some browsers, but not all. I believe FF and Safari
do not show the alt attribute value at all when images are disabled.
And in MSIE, this value is not displayed in relation to the user's
settings regarding text-size.
Hi all,
Quick question, I have a client with lots of HTML file that have inline CSS.
(Over 300 docs) I am looking for some software, or way, that will export
this inline css into a external css file. Or even just move it into a
embedded style sheet.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Kind Regards
Thierry Koblentz
If I disable images in FF and Safari I do not get anything. Do you?
If you disable images in FF through something like the WebDev extension,
no. However, if you disable them the normal way (the way a user who doesn't
want/need images would) via Tools Options Web Features
On 5/31/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Who's talking about tooltip? :-)
If I disable images in FF and Safari I do not get anything. Do you?
Yes. I do. I get the alt text where it's been applied.
Regarding MSIE, what I meant is that the alt attribute value does not match
the
Patrick Lauke wrote:
Unless I'm mistaken, the WebDev extension does a fairly brutal
remove images
from the DOM. A far more accurate test (if you don't want to change
your
global options) is to choose WebDev's Images Replace Images with
Alt Attributes
option.
Can't vouch for Safari, but if
I think this will do the trick. It's a little odd, and I'll have to
test this out more, doing a preg_match_all to determine how many \t's
there are (so we know what class='tab$number' to use), but I think in
most instances this will suffice.
Thanks for pointing this solution out...v
On
Just got that same email. Thanks to all on the list for alerting. I
deleted without opening the file that was attached.
ByteDreams
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From: john [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] *DETECTED* Online
pixeldiva wrote:
Yes. I do. I get the alt text where it's been applied.
As Patrick pointed out, you must be using the built-in function of FF, but
it does not work that way in Safari (atleast in v.1.2.4).
Regarding MSIE, what I meant is that the alt attribute value does
not match the
Hi Patrick,
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?
But to reiterate: h1 has semantic connotations - the content it
marks up is a heading. pre, on the other
I know so many people have asked for this and at one point i left the
emails on the topic in my inbox but then i deleted them. I need to know
how to switch from tables to divs. I have a 2 column table and want to
switch it into css using divs. I know it has to do with the float tag
in css but i
Hi,
deconstruct and redo:
http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/developing_with_web_standards/
csslayout/2-col/
G/L
C
On May 31, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Olajide Olaolorun wrote:
I know so many people have asked for this and at one point i left
the emails on the topic in my inbox but then i
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
Patrick Lauke wrote:
img src=/img/trans.gif /
and use CSS background image for the real image, but then you may as
well use any other element (such as a SPAN in...whatever IR technique
I'm thinking of).
BTW, what would be the advantage of using a span rather than an
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Ok, the IR technique I was referring to (now that I've checked) was
the Gilder/Levin method
http://www.mezzoblue.com/tests/revised-image-replacement/#gilderlevin
Believe it or not, but I didn't know about that one ;-)
Identical approach in term of CSS, but - as you know
Somewhat belatedly -- the Flash-detection JavaScript I recommend is
the Moock FPI script, see
http://www.moock.org/webdesign/flash/detection/moockfpi/ a lot of
work has gone into it and it has a very detailed bug-fix history,
which gives me confidence, although it doesn't seem to have been
Vaska.WSG wrote:
I've been reading around (via Google) and I find others with similar
problems but no solution. Is there a solution to this?
Whenever I present code in a page, I use something similar to the method
Simon Willison put forward by in July 2002:
Ahh, cool. Looks like the white-space property is supported well enough.
http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/browser_support/element_type.html
I'll go back to using code for code blocks then. :)
Thanks for pointing out the property, Martin.
BenOn 5/31/05, Martin J. Lambert [EMAIL
Quick question, I have a client with lots of HTML file that
have inline CSS. (Over 300 docs) I am looking for some
software, or way, that will export this inline css into a
external css file. Or even just move it into a embedded style sheet.
Am not aware on any package that would do this
Scott Swabey (Lafinboy Productions) wrote:
Am not aware on any package that would do this for you, but it should be
quite easy to set up a Regular Expression routine to strip all style='foo'
content from a page.
The harder part would be to have it not just strip out the styles, but
Hey there guys,
I'll get straight to it - here's the site I'm referring to - http://www.travelinsurancecompared.com.au/
1. Search engine optimisation and document structure
The current document structure is:
header
nav
content
sidebar
footer
will it get more love from google if I make the
Quick question, I have a client with lots of HTML file that
have inline CSS. (Over 300 docs) I am looking for some
software, or way, that will export this inline css into a
external css file. Or even just move it into a embedded style sheet.
Am not aware on any package that would do this
If the HTML files were valid XHTML it would be a relatively easy job extracting the styles using XSLT.On 6/1/05, Patrick H. Lauke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Scott Swabey (Lafinboy Productions) wrote:
Am not aware on any package that would do this for you, but it should be quite easy to set up a
You cant stop font resizing in mozilla, and thank goodness for that :-)
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Quick question, I have a client with lots of HTML file that
have inline CSS. (Over 300 docs) I am looking for some
software, or way, that will export this inline css into a
external css file. Or even just move it into a embedded style sheet.
Replacing the styles (whether style blocks
Quick question, I have a client with lots of HTML file that have inline CSS.
(Over 300 docs)
Good Lord, what was that previous author thinking!??
There's no escaping this problem - you're just gonna have to start
from scratch. Don't waste your time with export/import methods.
MATTHOM
On 5/31/05, kemie guaida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was sure that there was some major browser not implementing
display:inline-block, but in a quick test firefox 1.03, Opera 7 8 and even
IE 6 are interpreting it correctly.I have yet to test on a mac, but that
would seem to cover a lot of
On 1 Jun 2005, at 12:32 am, Thierry Koblentz wrote:
If I disable images in FF and Safari I do not get anything. Do you?
The answer for Firefox was already given.
For Safari (using 1.3), with images disabled, I get a grey outline
where the image should be, and **sometimes** the alt text
what specific, real-world problem could be solved by the use of
display:inline-block?
Anything where display: block + float: left is used at once (eg.
navigation, definition list layouts etc.)
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Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
For Safari (using 1.3), with images disabled, I get a grey outline
where the image should be, and **sometimes** the alt text displayed.
Like: if it fixes inside the bounding box for the image. If the text
is too long, (ie a long long alt text) on a 20px by 20px
There is a relationship between the two in that a good IA will think
beyond the page to the overall structure of the information, including
the semantics of the content and relationships between content items.
Good IAs care deeply about web standards and love the flexibility that
designing
As long as you keep everything lean and semantic, the content order
won't have a significant affect on Google indexing. However, the
closer the main page header is to the body tag, the more important it
is perceived by search engines, and more likely that the page will
come up in searches. Since
On 1 Jun 2005, at 10:46 am, Jan Brasna wrote:
what specific, real-world problem could be solved by the use of
display:inline-block?
Anything where display: block + float: left is used at once (eg.
navigation, definition list layouts etc
Not really - remember that 'inline-block' remains an
Not really - remember that 'inline-block' remains an *inline* element,
Sure, sorry for not mentioning it.
inline-block is not supported at all by IE 5.0 Win
And Gecko AFAIK.
BTW CSS3 has quite interesting display: ... capabilities.
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On Tue, 31 May 2005 20:58:49 -0400, Conversant Studios
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey there guys,
I'll get straight to it - here's the site I'm referring to -
http://www.travelinsurancecompared.com.au/
...
2. Font resizing
The navigation on the site is pretty locked in and I had to use absolute
Hello,
I'm trying to make CSS-based roll-over images for navigation, but I get
a 1px difference between Firefox and IE. Because of the nature of the
graphic - a horizontal line - it is quite noticeable.
example here:
http://quagma.net/testing/lakeside/contact.html
(at the moment the #panels
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