[WSG] AJAX and accesibility

2005-06-29 Thread Maarten Stolte
Hello, I'm trying to find out if there are any resources on AJAX and accesibility. It seems to me that if I would employ AJAX technologies on my site to enable a richer application experience, I would still need to code for non-JavaScript useragents . I also think that with screenreaders, lots

Re: [WSG] AJAX and accesibility

2005-06-29 Thread Richard Czeiger
http://www.standards-schmandards.com/index.php?2005/03/01/16-ajax-and-accessibility http://adactio.com/journal/display.php/20050308163812.xml - Original Message - From: Maarten Stolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:55 PM Subject: [WSG]

Re: [WSG] font-size =1em (in the body) vs. font-size = 101%

2005-06-29 Thread Jens Grochtdreis
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: * from what I remember, Opera has some rounding problems when calculating font sizes that make it display text just a shade smaller than other browsers; this is the reason for the additional 1 percent, resulting in 101% (I think even 100.1% would do the trick, not

Re: [WSG] AJAX and accesibility

2005-06-29 Thread James Denholm-Price
Check out Derek Featherstone's follow-up to his talk at @media for some interesting viewpoints: http://www.boxofchocolates.ca/archives/2005/06/12/javascript-and-accessibility#more-72 1. You probably always have to do the back end stuff anyway, even if you can process lots of stuff that used to be

Re: Re: [WSG] AJAX and accesibility

2005-06-29 Thread Maarten Stolte
Hi, thanks for the replies, I'm reading the three articles now, and they seem very useful. regards, Maarten -Original Message- From: James Denholm-Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:21:01 +0100 Subject: Re: [WSG] AJAX and accesibility

[WSG] drop shadows

2005-06-29 Thread James Smith
Hi all, my first post to this list so here goes I have a site www.flashforprogrammers.com, each page floats on a background with a dropshadow. Im no HTML fiend, a friend told me how to add the drop shadow. Its done thus: div

RE: [WSG] Encoding, charsets and entities...

2005-06-29 Thread Richard Ishida
Hi Roberto, I think this may answer many of your questions: http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/tutorial-char-enc/ RI Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog:

Re: [WSG] javascript/DOM resources

2005-06-29 Thread James Denholm-Price
Hi Ted [EMAIL PROTECTED], Just trawling through list emails this seems to have had no replies so my 2p: I'm sure I remember Jeremy Keith (http://adactio.com/) proposing a central archive of modern JS scripts but can't quite find it right now ... try starting from e.g.

Re: [WSG] drop shadows

2005-06-29 Thread Roberto Gorjão
Hi Jim, So, my question is: is there a way for me to use this filter drop shadow without the requirement to statically add the height to each page? Would a bit of JavaScript do the trick? Although I’d rather not resort to that. Also, I’ve seen other implementations of drop shadows that rely

RE: [WSG] javascript/DOM resources

2005-06-29 Thread Chris Taylor
As mentioned in a thread last week (?) the DHTML Utopia book is well worth a read, and kudos to the author and publisher for making it. However you should also check out the unobtrusive javascript site at http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/ (and the others found at

RE: Re: [WSG] AJAX and accesibility

2005-06-29 Thread Drake, Ted C.
After reading this post, I began thinking that the solution may be to seperate javascripts into basic and advanced sets. Just as we import advanced style sheets to avoid confusing early browsers, perhaps we can set an option to turn off advanced scripting. I could see the option acting much like

RE: Re: [WSG] AJAX and accesibility

2005-06-29 Thread Derek Featherstone
On 6/29/05, Drake, Ted C. wrote: re: http://www.boxofchocolates.ca/archives/2005/06/12/javascript-and- accessibility After reading this post, I began thinking that the solution may be to seperate javascripts into basic and advanced sets. Just as we import advanced style sheets to avoid

[WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

2005-06-29 Thread Erwin Heiser
Hi all, So far I¹ve been able to avoid using Flash but a site I¹m working on uses a few flash elements (like a slideshow). I¹ve been googling around but besides the alistapart article on Flash-Satay I¹ve not been able to find another method of embedding flash in a page so that it still validates.

RE: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

2005-06-29 Thread Tatham Oddie
Erwin, What's wrong with satay? Why do you need something else? Thanks, Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea www.fueladvance.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erwin Heiser Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2005 3:16 AM To:

Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

2005-06-29 Thread INFOPRE
You can use satay method http://alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/ cheers Daniele http://www.gizax.it Gizax Studios, Internet Accessibility - Original Message - From: Erwin Heiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:16 PM Subject: [WSG]

Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

2005-06-29 Thread Chris Van Wiemeersch
Erwin, You may want to read the discussion on Dream McLellan's site (author of the ALA Flash Satay article) on Flash in XHTML -- http://allinthehead.com/retro/234/embedding-macromedia-flash-in-xhtml See http://www.ambience.sk/flash-valid.htm for a different method than Flash Satay in which no

Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

2005-06-29 Thread designer
Hi Erwin, I always use a method suggested to me by Bert Doorn which so far has worked fine: object data=opening.swf width=550 height=377 type=application/x-shockwave-flash param name=movie value=opening.swf / param name=quality value=high / param

Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

2005-06-29 Thread Hope Stewart
I have a page containing this code: object type=application/x-shockwave-flash data=images/hmpg/hmpg.swf width=722 height=80 param name=movie value=images/hmpg/hmpg.swf / /object It validates as xhtml 1.0 Transitional. My question, however, is how do I make it accessible? What is the Flash

Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

2005-06-29 Thread sam sherlock
Hi All, I have been using flashObject for some time now I have heard that satay does not display the object until the movie is loaded also I have found it to be quite hard to work with, and flash object is soo simple I strated a thread a while ago asking if anyone knew of / could

[WSG] looking for an accessibility reference on why text-only is bad

2005-06-29 Thread Kay Smoljak
We're doing a tender for a client that has requested a text-only version of the site, for accessibility reasons. Now, *I* know that that's ridiculous and text-only is not an acceptable alternative to an accessible site, but I need some good verbage/references to explain that (and what we propose

[WSG] Case of the amazing disappearing wrapper!

2005-06-29 Thread jackie reid
Hi List I dont understand whats going on here at all. http://www.fxenterprises.com.au/index.htm the white wrapper div is just not containing the content. Or rather sometimes it is and sometimes its not. when you first go into the site the wrapper doesnt stretch, if you use the navigation

Re: [WSG] looking for an accessibility reference on why text-only is bad

2005-06-29 Thread Richard Czeiger
Cheat! Use a styleswitcher to to display your 'text-only' courier-based stylesheet :o) Richard - Original Message - From: Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: [WSG] looking for an accessibility reference on why

Re: [WSG] looking for an accessibility reference on why text-only is bad

2005-06-29 Thread Kay Smoljak
On 6/30/05, Richard Czeiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use a styleswitcher to to display your 'text-only' courier-based stylesheet We *could* do that... but I'd rather educate the client :) To answer my own question, soon after posting (isn't that always the way) I found this very good article on

Re: [WSG] looking for an accessibility reference on why text-only is bad

2005-06-29 Thread Jeff Lowder - Accessibility 1st
Good article: http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2005/01/server-side-accessibility Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st Ph: 02 9570 9875 | Mobile: 0419 350 760 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Website: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au From: Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

Re: [WSG] Case of the amazing disappearing wrapper!

2005-06-29 Thread Zachary Hopkins
I've had this problem before. It involves a 0-height object not clearing. There needs to some dimension to an object that clears another. I've uploaded a copy to my site for you to check out. I've modified the page to be valid XHTML 1.0 Strict, given your doctype. The changes are commented,

Re: [WSG] looking for an accessibility reference on why text-only is bad

2005-06-29 Thread Richard Czeiger
Good article, Kay! I'd try sending them there, but in the end it's a matter of balancing some of the following things: 1. spending time educating the client 2. maintaining an acceesible approach to design 3. Runing a business If after trying to educate the client (a 10 minute phone

Re: [WSG] looking for an accessibility reference on why text-only is bad

2005-06-29 Thread Jan Brasna
Kay, I'll try to summarize a paragraph on this topic from one Czech accessibility book: - having a page containing only text still doesn't implicate it's accessibile - using text version often leads to forgetting all the rules of good web on the main site and placing more barriers there - if

RE: [WSG] Case of the amazing disappearing wrapper!

2005-06-29 Thread Adam Burmister \(DSL AK\)
Ditto on that one. It's odd, but that's the way it is. - Adam -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zachary Hopkins Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2005 2:25 p.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Case of the amazing disappearing

Re: [WSG] looking for an accessibility reference on why text-only is bad

2005-06-29 Thread Kay Smoljak
On 6/30/05, Richard Czeiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If after trying to educate the client (a 10 minute phone conversation you're NOT going to get paid for), and they still want a text only page just because we think it's best, then cave in... Actually, in this case the client has had someone

Re: [WSG] looking for an accessibility reference on why text-only is bad

2005-06-29 Thread heretic
We're doing a tender for a client that has requested a text-only version of the site, for accessibility reasons. Now, *I* know that that's ridiculous and text-only is not an acceptable alternative to an accessible site, but I need some good verbage/references to explain that (and what we

Re: [WSG] looking for an accessibility reference on why text-only is bad

2005-06-29 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I'm not sure that I've seen much online on the topic, though. So I guess this didn't really help, sorry :( http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/wai-pageauth.html#tech-alt-pages 11.4 If, after best efforts, you cannot create an accessible page, provide a link to an alternative page that uses

Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

2005-06-29 Thread INFOPRE
Hi Hope, if browser doens't have plug-ing, you can insert a tag image with alt attribute that describe use of flash in your site. If you are interested to create an accessibile flash site, this is for you http://www.macromedia.com/resources/accessibility/ cheers Daniele http://www.gizax.it/

Re: [WSG] Flash and valid XHTML

2005-06-29 Thread Hope Stewart
Thanks Daniele. I'll give it a go. On 30/6/05 3:19 PM, INFOPRE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if browser doens't have plug-ing, you can insert a tag image with alt attribute that describe use of flash in your site. If you are interested to create an accessibile flash site, this is for you