Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

2005-11-23 Thread mani naidu
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RE: [WSG] A little help with a charity site please

2005-11-23 Thread mani naidu
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Re: [WSG] Horizontal CSS based Navigation

2005-11-23 Thread Bernard Sandberg
Can anyone point me in the right direction for a CSS based horizontal navigation using UL's and LI's, where the first Level of nav uses images!? Regards Jack Bennie A good place to start would be at http://css.maxdesign.com.au/index.htm , where you click the 'Listamatic' option. Even though

Re: [WSG] A little help with a charity site please

2005-11-23 Thread Peter Johnson
Mani, This group is not an outlet for you to make money. Besides, one would assume that a group of web designers would have their email addresses sorted out already. However, if you require a designer to overhaul that nasty website, you've come to the right place. Up late and tired,

[WSG]My first take at standards and CSS did not go so well, Need Help!

2005-11-23 Thread Jack Saat
Hi Everyone, Well here is my problem I am a newbie with CSS and web standards and my first take end up look crap in Firefox but "great" in IE? Also my _javascript_ Moo-FX effects not are working anywhere. I trying all day not and it drive me crazy I do not understand what is wrong with it.

Re: [WSG] Character encoding mismatch

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Collins
Hi Richard, Thanks for that info, the guy who runs the server here has fixed the server to run UTF-8, so no problems there. The XHTML reference was really good. I had started using the apos; XHTML tag for #39; not realising that it wouldn't work for browsers that don't read XHTML (such

[WSG] More on character encoding

2005-11-23 Thread Jona Decker
I am assuming there are other web developers in Exchange environments that might have some insight into a problem I'm having. It's standards-related, I promise. We're a company that utilizes an Exchange server for mail and scheduling. We have lots of email addresses and lots of email distribution

Re: [WSG] More on character encoding

2005-11-23 Thread Charlie Bartlett
this link might help http://www.remote.org/jochen/mail/info/chars.html Charlie http://www.bartlettdesign.co.uk On 11/23/05, Jona Decker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am assuming there are other web developers in Exchange environmentsthat might have some insight into a problem I'm having. It's

[WSG] Re: University textbook or other resources?

2005-11-23 Thread Virginia DeBolt
Title: Re: University textbook or other resources? Hi everyone, New member, first post, although youll find I mostly lurk. The two books by Knowbility partners arent exactly university focused textbooks, but are very good for training in accessibility.

Re: [WSG] More on character encoding

2005-11-23 Thread Jon Tan
Jona Decker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]Are there any other resources people are aware of that may help me make this argument using standards rationale? According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address the character is valid in the local part of an address according to RFC 2822.

RE: [WSG] Horizontal CSS based Navigation

2005-11-23 Thread Jonathan Bloy
On Wed 11/23/2005 1:48 AM, Jack Bennie wrote: Can anyone point me in the right direction for a CSS based horizontal navigation using UL's and LI's, where the first Level of nav uses images!? You may want to take a look at the article Css Sprites on A List Apart.

[WSG] Efficient CSS Practice Methods

2005-11-23 Thread Chris Kennon
Happy Holidays All, When between projects, practice is the order of the day, as mastery in this field is a fallacy. However, it simply seems counter- productive laying out sites that will not be used for personal or commercial gain. This belief begs the question how does one effectively

Re: [WSG] OT: Need recomendations for a JavaScript/DOM book

2005-11-23 Thread Rik Lomas
I would also recommend the Jeremy Keith book, dead easy to read and understand. There's more information about the book here:http://www.domscripting.com/ On 22/11/05, Steve Clason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/22/2005 9:50 AM Ted Drake wrote: I would recommend starting with Domscripting by Jeremy

Re: [WSG] why liquid layout is important.

2005-11-23 Thread Rik Lomas
These $100 laptops, at the moment anyway, are only pre-prototype. There isn't even one fully functional version of it yet, and it will be a while until there is. Kofi Annan broke the handle of it when it was unveiled the other day, because he thought it was the real thing, but unfortunately it

Re: [WSG] Efficient CSS Practice Methods

2005-11-23 Thread Steve Clason
On 11/23/2005 10:16 AM Chris Kennon wrote: Happy Holidays All, When between projects, practice is the order of the day, as mastery in this field is a fallacy. However, it simply seems counter-productive laying out sites that will not be used for personal or commercial gain. This belief begs

Re: [WSG] why liquid layout is important.

2005-11-23 Thread Terrence Wood
Rik Lomas said: It's definitely a good idea, but surely, a poor African family would rather sell the laptop for money than keep the laptop if they had the choice... I'm pretty sure that Africa is not the only distribution point for these things. Sure food, and health are priorities, but

Re: [WSG] why liquid layout is important.

2005-11-23 Thread Marilyn Langfeld
I'm pretty sure this is not the forum for this topic though. -Nigel Often when we discuss accessibility, we ignore needs of people with low or no bandwidth. So I think this topic is a great reminder that accessibility is much broader than solely meeting the needs of the disabled,

RE: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch

2005-11-23 Thread kvnmcwebn
The way that it uses the white space is nice ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to

Re: [WSG]My first take at standards and CSS did not go so well, Need Help!

2005-11-23 Thread Terrence Wood
Jack Saat said: Please help me out. Hi Jack, It is quite common to end up with designs that work in one browser but not the other when starting out developing with web standards. I haven't got access to your page with FF at the moment so I can't often any advice on the specific problems you

RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Noone
I wouldn't be too surprised to discover that a little javascript could manipulate the numbering. Also, and I'll probably get lynched for this but the following should also work in a transiational doctype. ol li value=40/li ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [WSG] Efficient CSS Practice Methods

2005-11-23 Thread Peter Williams
From: Chris Kennon This belief begs the question how does one effectively practice CSS? Should I continue creating scenarios and templates, or can some knowledgeable member share practice methodologies? Chris, Long before this list existed I used to try and solve all the problems that

RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Geoff Pack
Paul Noone wrote: Also, and I'll probably get lynched for this but the following should also work in a transiational doctype. ol li value=40/li ... Not for using it, just for not quoting it properly ;) ** The discussion

[WSG] :after, IE, and link text wrapping

2005-11-23 Thread SunUp
Hi folks, I'm displaying a small image to indicate an external link using this: a.external:after { content: url(media/external.gif); padding-left: 2px; } Obviously IE doesn't show this, so I've used this in a separate style sheet for IE: a.external { background: url(media/external.gif)

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, Can someone explain why this incredibly useful attribute: ol li value=40/li is deprecated, or is it? C On Nov 23, 2005, at 3:44 PM, Geoff Pack wrote: Paul Noone wrote: Also, and I'll probably get lynched for this but the following should also work in a transiational doctype.

RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Somaya Langley
Thanks guys. Javascript is out, as our internal NLA standards try to avoid where possible. Value attribute falls into the same category as the start attribute... Yes, theoretically you can do things with the counter in CSS, but to actually do anything meaningful, CSS would really need to be a

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Jon Tan
Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone explain why this incredibly useful attribute: ol li value=40/li is deprecated, or is it? It is depreciated ( http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html) although it is not obselete therefore will still be supported for backward

[WSG] CSS Validators

2005-11-23 Thread Geoff Pack
Does anyone know of a downloadable CSS validator (other than the W3C one) that I can install on an local server to batch check files on my local network? We currently use the WDG html validator, but their CSS validator is not available for download. Cheers Geoff Pack

Re: [WSG] :after, IE, and link text wrapping

2005-11-23 Thread Jon Tan
SunUp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to make it display the image at the END of the LINK, instead of at the end of the LINE? I've messed around w/ placement and padding etc. No joy. Hi Sunny Turning them off for IE has always been my answer. If you realy want the bg img in there to

RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Somaya Langley
Perhaps you're right that an ordered list is not the right list to choose, as it will be chunked and split across pages, however the scenario is such that: * a collection of images may contain thousands of items * the collection is the highest level in the heirachy and so needs a finding aid in

RE: [WSG] CSS Validators

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Noone
I hazard to mention that Dreamweaver has built-in validation for CSS acrosse various browsers. StyleMaster is probably worth checking out, too. Although there are others on this list far better equipped to dicuss its merits than I. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] :after, IE, and link text wrapping

2005-11-23 Thread SunUp
Thanks Jon ... It was suggested that I try span, which I did, but IE still displays the image at the end of the line, where the long link text wraps, instead of at the of whole link. I think I'll just hide it afterall, and IE users can (in the inimitable words of Dad in The Castle) suffer in

[WSG] Working Drafts: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0

2005-11-23 Thread russ - maxdesign
accessible to the vast majority of users, including people with disabilities and older users, using many different devices including a wide variety of assistive technology. Read about the Web Accessibility Initiative [4]. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-WCAG20-20051123/ [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Richard Czeiger
There's also the idea that legal documents are often split into sections which continue numbering but are infact separate documents (addendums, etc...) . At the moment, legal docs can't be semantically marked-up (at least in OZ) because: 1. any electonic version of a legal document MUST

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread matt andrews
On 23/11/05, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Bert - use the start attribute and a transitional dtd. It's cleaner, more concise, and captures exactly the semantics of what you are doing. You don't need the div around the text info though. Of course you could always write

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread heretic
the first, for example: ol start=40 li divtext info in here/div /li What do people suggest? I'd vote for: ol start=40 litext info in here/li /ol I think the specs should not have deprecated the attribute - breaking up huge lists into separate pages is entirely legit, which means the

RE: [WSG] :after, IE, and link text wrapping

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Noone
Sunny, what Jon and I meant was to put the span at the end of the link like this: a class=externalThe linkspan class=extimage/span/a This will force the image to appear at the nend of the link. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SunUp Sent:

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Jon Tan
Somaya Langley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...]* the way that's been selected is to show a thumbnail icon and the title or some descriptive metadata (similar to search results pages on the site: http://www.musicaustralia.org) If the ol is just to place the record in a block of search results

RE: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Noone
Amazing site. Nice use of pictograms. Categorising all that data must have been one hell of a job. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Tan Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2005 1:18 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] starting

Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1

2005-11-23 Thread Peter J. Farrell
matt andrews wrote: Agree with Bert and Geoff here. The dropping of 'start' attribute from strict DTD was, and is, a controversial W3C decision - one with which I disagree, personally. There are plenty of plausible and sensible scenarios for having an ordered list start with something other

[WSG] BOM and charset declaration in CSS

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Noone
technology. Read about the Web Accessibility Initiative [4]. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-WCAG20-20051123/ [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20051123/ [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20051123/ [4] http://www.w3.org/WAI/ Thanks Russ

Re: [WSG] :after, IE, and link text wrapping

2005-11-23 Thread SunUp
... what Jon and I meant was to put the span at the end of the link like this: a class=externalThe linkspan class=extimage/span/a *nod* I did try that. And then the CSS would be: span.exit { background: url(media/external.gif) no-repeat; } yea? It doesn't show at all :( Clearly I

RE: [WSG] :after, IE, and link text wrapping

2005-11-23 Thread Paul Noone
Set a width or padding on your exit class that is sufficient to display the image. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SunUp Sent: Thursday, 24 November 2005 1:59 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] :after, IE, and link text

Re: [WSG] :after, IE, and link text wrapping

2005-11-23 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Paul Noone wrote: Set a width or padding on your exit class that is sufficient to display the image. And get the class name in the html matching the css. In fact, the span doesn't need a class at all if you do this: a.external span { /* whatever styles needed */ } a

Re: [WSG] BOM and charset declaration in CSS

2005-11-23 Thread Andrew Cunningham
different devices including a wide variety of assistive technology. Read about the Web Accessibility Initiative [4]. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-WCAG20-20051123/ [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20051123/ [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20-20051123/ [4] http

Re: [WSG] :after, IE, and link text wrapping

2005-11-23 Thread SunUp
Set a width or padding on your exit class that is sufficient to display the image. Yes, did that. I still can't see the wretched thing. And get the class name in the html matching the css. In fact, the span doesn't need a class at all if you do this: a.external span { /* whatever

Re: [WSG] :after, IE, and link text wrapping

2005-11-23 Thread Bob McAllister
Paul Noone wrote: Set a width or padding on your exit class that is sufficient to display the image. On 11/24/05, Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, the span doesn't need a class at all if you do this: a.external span { /* whatever styles needed */ } a class=externalBlahspan

Re: [WSG] University textbook or other resources?

2005-11-23 Thread Katrina
Sorry for the sarcasm but I dream of a lecturer covering things like accessibility, especially with decent books and knowledgeable and interested tutors :-P Well, one of my minors at Uni SA has a subject/course of Accesible Interactive Multimedia, so your dream is my reality :) Thanks for

RE: [WSG] Working Drafts: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2. 0

2005-11-23 Thread Herrod, Lisa
majority of users, including people with disabilities and older users, using many different devices including a wide variety of assistive technology. Read about the Web Accessibility Initiative [4]. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-WCAG20-20051123/ [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-UNDERSTANDING

Re: [WSG] :after, IE, and link text wrapping

2005-11-23 Thread SunUp
... place the last word of the link within the span. So a class=externalThe last spanword/span/a for longer links Ok ok, I know I said I'd given up, but I tried this, and it finally worked. Still ... it's weird that it didn't show up before. And in fact, when I move the span back to get this

[WSG] final word on numbering lists...

2005-11-23 Thread Somaya Langley
of course, you could just use the start attribute *and* the Strict DTD. I consider this the case where using start is the best *and simplest* solution, and frankly, that's what we're all trying to do isn't it. If we keep it simple - it's not just keeping content and layout separate, especially

Re: [WSG] :after, IE, and link text wrapping

2005-11-23 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day Ok ok, I know I said I'd given up, but I tried this, and it finally worked. Still ... it's weird that it didn't show up before. And in fact, when I move the span back to get this ... a class=externalLink herespan/span/a ... it disappears again. When I wrap it around the last word again,

Re: [WSG] CSS Validators

2005-11-23 Thread Jhondie Abenaza
You can try using HTML-kit try to install the plugin for w3c css validatorhere is the link http://www.chami.com, hope this will help you.regardsJhondie AbenazaGeoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a downloadable CSS validator (other than the W3C one) that I can install on an

Re: [WSG] BOM and charset declaration in CSS

2005-11-23 Thread Gene Falck
Hi Paul and Russ, Paul wrote: And how do you get around the UTF-8 signature or byte order mark (BOM) that some editors add to the document? I see you already have some replies on this BOM bit. For looking over your file format (and also simply deleting the BOM) you might also try a utility

[WSG] Maccaws.org contact

2005-11-23 Thread Vito Tardia
Hi to all, do you know an alternative way to contact the people at Maccaws.org? The direct email seems not existing and I'm not sure about the form... Thank you very much Vito -- Vito Tardia - Freelance = Sviluppatore Creativo e Artista Digitale