Re: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-27 Thread csslist
yes I know that But you are not getting it, which is fine, you don't have too, I do. We know some or a lot of people it wont fit which is a given. But your option is to make them page scroll and mine is to window scroll so that they DON'T have to scroll all the way up to use the menu. Does that

Re: [WSG] Dragon Way (Site Check)

2005-11-27 Thread Vincent HasselgÄrd
Hi, If you tell your client to visit www.msn.com with his Mac IE5.2 browser then he'll get the message that his browser is out of date and that he should change it to another browser like FireFox or Safari. So even Microsoft tells Macusers to change to another browser than Internet Explorer. I

Re: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-27 Thread Josh Rose
So you hit CTRL and HOME for the top or CTRL and END for the bottom of a page. And yes, lots of people do know that. Simple, Josh. Yahoo! Model Search - Could you be the next catwalk superstar? Check out the competition now

RE: [WSG] Dragon Way (Site Check)

2005-11-27 Thread Graham Cook
Title: Dragon Way (Site Check) http://test.dragon-way.com/ Any other comments would be ace. Firstly, congratulations on putting together a site that is well structured with the headings etc. My comments relate more to the usability and accessibility aspects. Your splash screen

[WSG] RNZFB new website - plus article in Macguide

2005-11-27 Thread Rebecca Cox
The latest NZ Macguide magazine has a good interview on Macs and accessibility at Royal NZ Foundation for the Blind, and also some info on their new website (which uses Plone CMS) at http://www.rnzfb.org.nz/ Both well worth a look. Cheers Rebecca

[WSG] Extra menu for when images are turned off

2005-11-27 Thread Stuart Sherwood
I have added a hidden menu to a site for those using text browsers or surfing with images turned off. The regular menu is image based but uses titles for accessibility, but this doesn't show in Lynx. I'd rather have a text based menu now but the client is happy and it is better than the drop

Re: [WSG] Extra menu for when images are turned off

2005-11-27 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Stuart Sherwood wrote: I have added a hidden menu to a site for those using text browsers or surfing with images turned off. The regular menu is image based but uses titles for accessibility, but this doesn't show in Lynx. You *ARE* giving those images suitable ALT attributes, I hope? TITLE

[WSG] page break up

2005-11-27 Thread Lori Cole
Hi-I am new to CSS and strict. The URL I am having trouble with is http://members.cox.net/loricole.newhome.html. The style sheet is at http://members.cox.net.loricole/newtext.css. As you use the navigations tabs and go back to the home page, the blue background breaks up the white index

Re: [WSG] Extra menu for when images are turned off

2005-11-27 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: TITLE is irrelevant for accessibility. Actually, let me rephrase that before it causes confusion: TITLE on images is pretty much irrelevant (unless you're doing some sort of mystery meat navigation and need to ensure that Firefox gives the user a tooltip description

Re: [WSG] Extra menu for when images are turned off

2005-11-27 Thread Stuart Sherwood
Sorry, I forgot to mention that the menu uses CSS Sprit rollovers so there are no images in the markup, therefore no alt tags. Title tags are irrelevant for accessibility? From W3C: Audio user agents may speak the title information in a similar context. For example, setting the attribute on a

Re: [WSG] page break up

2005-11-27 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Lori Cole wrote: Hi-I am new to CSS and strict. The URL I am having trouble with is http://members.cox.net/loricole.newhome.html. The style sheet is at http://members.cox.net.loricole/newtext.css. Please make sure you type the URIs correctly in the future and use '.' and '/' appropriately.

Re: [WSG] Extra menu for when images are turned off

2005-11-27 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Stuart Sherwood wrote: Sorry, I forgot to mention that the menu uses CSS Sprit rollovers so there are no images in the markup, therefore no alt tags. They're *attributes*, not tags, please learn the correct terminology. Title tags are irrelevant for accessibility? No, they're not

RE: [WSG] page break up

2005-11-27 Thread Scott Swabey - Lafinboy Productions
Hi Lori Your issue with the tabs can be quickly fixed by switching the order in your css of the #menu a:visited and #menu a:hover, so the hover is 'above' the visited declaration. The page break up looks like a guillotine bug. Need to dig more to find the cause for that! Regards Scott Swabey

Re: [WSG] Extra menu for when images are turned off

2005-11-27 Thread Stuart Sherwood
Thankyou for correcting my terminology. Text-indent. That's just what I need! Thankyou Lachlan, its a much better solution. Stuart Lachlan Hunt wrote: Stuart Sherwood wrote: Sorry, I forgot to mention that the menu uses CSS Sprit rollovers so there are no images in the markup, therefore

RE: [WSG] page break up

2005-11-27 Thread Lori Cole
Thanks Scott, The correct order of those elements is doing the trick. Yellow appears. I did change the CSS comments to be the CSS format but that has altered some other page's format like the form entry windows and text alignment in the client page. The blue line still appears on the home

Re: [WSG] Extra menu for when images are turned off

2005-11-27 Thread Terrence Wood
Stuart Sherwood wrote: I have added a hidden menu to a site for those using text browsers or surfing with images turned off. Avoid creating links without text, it's bad practice. Using small images of text in you main navigation is bad too. Things that make me go 'huh?' 1. If I turn off

Re: [WSG] CSS Validators

2005-11-27 Thread Steve Ferguson
What don't you want to use the W3C one? On Nov 23, 2005, at 5:42 PM, Geoff Pack wrote: Does anyone know of a downloadable CSS validator (other than the W3C one) that I can install on an local server to batch check files on my local network? We currently use the WDG html validator, but

Re: [WSG] page break up

2005-11-27 Thread Jay Gilmore
Jay Gilmore Developer/Consultant Affordable Websites and Marketing Solutions for Real Small Business. SmashingRed Web Marketing P) 902.529.0651 E) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lori Cole wrote: Thanks Scott, The correct order of those elements is doing the trick. Yellow appears. I did

RE: [WSG] CSS Validators

2005-11-27 Thread Peter Williams
Geoff Pack wrote: ...install on an local server to batch check files on my local network? From: Steve Ferguson What don't you want to use the W3C one? ...files on my local network, if you're working on an intranet you can't use the w3c validators, unless you cut and paste, or upload

Re: [WSG] page break up

2005-11-27 Thread Terrence Wood
Lachlan Hunt said: !--tab is an invalid HTML comment how so? Please make sure you type the URIs correctly in the future and use '.' and '/' appropriately. minor typos are easy to ignore, and really don't warrant being commented on kind regards Terrence WOod.

Re: [WSG] CSS Validators

2005-11-27 Thread Steve Ferguson
On Nov 27, 2005, at 7:44 PM, Peter Williams wrote: Geoff Pack wrote: ...install on an local server to batch check files on my local network? From: Steve Ferguson What don't you want to use the W3C one? ...files on my local network, if you're working on an intranet you can't use the

Re: [WSG] page break up

2005-11-27 Thread Jay Gilmore
Lori, I am going to suggest that you download Firefox or Mozilla to develop with. You will find that IE is too forgiving and allows errors to fall through the cracks by trying to render the page vs. not parsing invalid code.It is better to learn to make it right and then tweak it for IE. I

Re: [WSG] Extra menu for when images are turned off

2005-11-27 Thread Irina Ahrens
Stuart, Try this http://tjkdesign.com/articles/tip.aspRegards, Irina.

Re: [WSG] page break up

2005-11-27 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Terrence Wood wrote: Lachlan Hunt said: !--tab is an invalid HTML comment how so? In SGML, the comment syntax is as follows: ! (Markup declaration open (MDO)) -- first comment --(Zero or more comments.) -- second comment -- (Markup

Re: [WSG] CSS Validators

2005-11-27 Thread Lachlan Hunt
On Nov 23, 2005, at 5:42 PM, Geoff Pack wrote: Does anyone know of a downloadable CSS validator (other than the W3C one) that I can install on an local server to batch check files on my local network? We currently use the WDG html validator, but their CSS validator is not available for

Re: [WSG] page break up

2005-11-27 Thread Christian Montoya
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RE: [WSG] page break up

2005-11-27 Thread Peter Williams
From: Terrence Wood Lachlan Hunt said: !--tab is an invalid HTML comment how so? Perhaps not by strict definition, but the following reference explains where Lachlan is probably coming from. http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/wilbur/misc/comment.html I like to stick with the !--

Re: [WSG] page break up

2005-11-27 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Jay Gilmore wrote: 2. When styling your the a pseudo classes, hover, active, visited. The way to ensure that the cascade works is through the LoVe HAte a:link, a:visited, a:hover (a:focus), a:active. I read somewhere that there was is a Star Wars reference that takes the

Re: [WSG] page break up

2005-11-27 Thread Terrence Wood
Lachlan Hunt said: In SGML, the comment syntax is as follows: I believe your original comment was that it was invalid HTML. While similar, the SGML rule differs from HTML in it's treatment of whitespace, and the example you provided is, in fact, invalid HTML. The recommendation[1] goes on to say

Re: [WSG] page break up

2005-11-27 Thread Jay Gilmore
Christian Montoya wrote: Lord Vader's Former Handle, Anakin link, visited, focus, hover, active Always in that order! Yeah -- that's it! -Jay Jay Gilmore Developer/Consultant Affordable Websites and Marketing Solutions for Real Small Business. SmashingRed Web Marketing P)

Re: [WSG] Extra menu for when images are turned off

2005-11-27 Thread Stuart Sherwood
I think I have come up with a more elegant solution now. There is only one menu with each link formatted like this: lia id=Home title=Home href=index.jspbr /Home/a/li The br pushes the text under the header so it isn't visable to regular users but accessable when images are turned off.

Re: [WSG] page break up

2005-11-27 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Terrence Wood wrote: Lachlan Hunt said: In SGML, the comment syntax is as follows: I believe your original comment was that it was invalid HTML. While similar, the SGML rule differs from HTML in it's treatment of whitespace, There is no formal difference between HTML4 and SGML comments, as

Re: [WSG] Extra menu for when images are turned off

2005-11-27 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Stuart Sherwood wrote: I think I have come up with a more elegant solution now. There is only one menu with each link formatted like this: lia id=Home title=Home href=index.jspbr /Home/a/li The br pushes the text under the header so it isn't visable to regular users but accessable when images