Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?
Terrence. Plus I don't want to get into the quirks of clients in this thread, I'd like to concentrate on finding a solution to a real problem that is as reliable (browser-wise) and as easy to implement as it is with a table, Sure... clients who needs them? But see the real problem is clients making design decisions that may not be appropriate for the shape of the market today (and tomorrow). And given that they aren't designers... how can they make effective design decisions, if you don't tell them what works best? In other words, Terrance, the goal is a design as described above and the solution can't be change the design, but has to be: attain the design without a table. My apologies, I never realised the visual design was non-negotiable. The point of both of these statements was to try and keep the thread on topic i.e; a solution to a specific, clearly defined problem in which the only choice is to realize it as stated, preferrably without a table. It obviously didn't work. I had hoped those of you making assumptions about the side bits, would leave aside your assumptions and take up the challenge on the actual problem. I didn't want to write War and Peace to explain that I have indeed tried to sway the client, have used intelligent arguments, etc., etc. ad nauseum to keep this thread from getting lost in those arguments, but maybe I should have. An example of the assumptions: you (or someone) said a design of this 1998 type should never have been presented to the client. Where in anything I said did I say I presented the design? Maybe the client came to me with his design and for the purpose of my original question, what does it really matter? how can they make effective design decisions, if you don't tell them what works best? Why do you assume I didn't? Its this type of flawed assumptions that has caused this thread to wander all over the landscape without arriving at a solution to the problem at hand. Plus I don't want to get into the quirks of clients in this thread, Sure... clients who needs them? A clear statement of my intent and your snide comment which shows you didn't get it. Do you think you are being helpful? Believe me, you're not. bob ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?
Why do you assume I didn't? Its this type of flawed assumptions that has caused this thread to wander all over the landscape without arriving at a solution to the problem at hand. And over the last few months, the list has devolved into unending threads that serve nothing wrt web standards. Most threads *never* end! I'm leaving. I'll check back in a few months and see what's goin' on. Have fun! Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Frames ?
On 17 Dec 2005, at 6:46 PM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Terrence Wood wrote: Have I missed something or is this just, erm, frames using javascript instead of a static page? I'm not sure I understand your question. Isn't what the OP is looking for? Being able to link to *and* frame other web sites? The OP asked if there is a web standards and CSS way to maintain his clients branding for remote sites, and while recognising that frames will achieve this wondered if there is an alternative. Frames do form part of HTML so, provided they validate, then that is standards design. There is no way to brand a remote site without frames or without having the branding served by the remote site e.g. via the refer header, or some such mechanism. The thread has moved on to suggest alternatives to frames in their entirety given the usability issues of frames, and the ethical issues around framing content which owned by a third party. The alternatives revolve around some variation of linking to the site. You solution is (from my cursory look) a script driven frames implementation, as opposed to a static file based one, and I questioned it because it didn't seem to add anything at this point and usually your contributions are both excellent and timely. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?
Christian, Do these table layouts go in your portfolio? Since you asked. I have my very first site in my portfolio and it is a nested table/spacer gif monster. But except for you guys, I doubt if anyone has ever done a view source on the site. Do these clients recommend you to others as one of those designers who will still do those 1998 designs we like so much? No, they recommend me because I did a site they liked. Outside this list, I doubt if anyone thinks in terms of 1998 sites. I guess the big question is, how do these designs affect your image as a standards based designer? The big answer is: they don't. We all started somewhere. However, if it will help you sleep better: at the first re-do of the site, the nested tables and spacer gifs will go. My thinking is that if I ever had to do one of these sites, I would not put it in my portfolio. I would have made it clear to the client that I was doing it against my own good judgement and I would never want someone to think it was something I would do again. Maybe if I hang around you long enough, one day, I too will become arrogant, but I doubt it. bob ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?
On 17 Dec 2005, at 9:04 PM, Bob Schwartz wrote: Do you think you are being helpful? Believe me, you're not. I think I made it pretty clear that I was having a general rant, not talking directly to you Bob. I was just using your situation as a jumping off point. On 17 Dec 2005, at 9:06 AM, Terrence Wood wrote: Again, nothing personal Bob, this rant is for any designer who has clients wanting that 1998 look. And in fact, I have had off-list responses thanking me for my contribution to this thread. On 16 Dec 2005, at 11:44 PM, Bob Schwartz wrote: No can do Bob. I showed you the solution. End of story: solution, choices made, move on :) Yes Sir. Thank you Sir. I will just fold my table and slink away. It's been a honor being in your illustrious presence. I will return when I feel more worthy . Obviously you haven't found this thread helpful, but others have. I'm really not sure what you are looking for Bob, but clearly, we are two different people. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS Driven?
Terrence, Obviously you haven't found this thread helpful, but others have. Oddly enough I have, though the (seems to be) answer came in off list. If after doing some testing, the solution does indeed work as I need it to, I will post it for those who remember what the original question was. I'm really not sure what you are looking for Bob, but clearly, we are two different people. Probably not, just the pitfalls of communicating by e-mail. If we were sitting at an outdoor cafe sipping a good coffee, watching pretty girls go by and having this discussion, it would have an all- together different flavor. Bob ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] XHTML1.1 differences - was [ Fixed Height: Headers and Footers]
Christian Montoya wrote: [snip ] Are you serving the webpages as mime-type application/xhtml+xml ? Because that is the only mime-type that should be used with XHTML 1.1. Otherwise if you are going to use text/html then you should use XHTML 1.0 Strict or HTML 4.01 Strict. There are only 3, exactly 3 differences between XHTML 1.0 Strict and XHTML 1.1, and unless you are serving application/xhtml+xml you should not be using 1.1. If you want to know why there's a thread in the archives all about that. -- Hi Christian, Only 3 differences? I seem to remember more than a dozen . . . What are your 3? I am genuinely interested in compiling a list of these differences. I recently made the transition from XHTML1.0 strict to 1.1 and I was quite stunned by some of the simple things which failed to work in the latter without modification. I also found that references to these mods were scattered around and I thought it was time to 'get them together'. -- Best Regards, Bob McClelland Cornwall (UK) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML1.1 differences
designer wrote: Are you serving the webpages as mime-type application/xhtml+xml ? Because that is the only mime-type that should be used with XHTML 1.1. It can also use application/xml or text/xml (although it's best to avoid text/xml completely), or other appropriate XML MIME type. Only 3 differences? I seem to remember more than a dozen . . . What are your 3? There's 3 listed in the XHTML 1.1 Appendix A [1]. However, there are other undocumented changes too. One that I can remember is that the usemap attribute changed from a URI in HTML 4.01 and XHTML 1.0 to an IDREF in XHTML 1.1. That means for image maps, it must be written using a fragment identifier like this in XHTML 1.0: img ... usmap=#foo but like this in XHTML 1.1: img ... usmap=foo Both refer to: map id=foo/ I've no doubt there are other differences too, but I've never really gone through and looked hard enough myself. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/changes.html#a_changes -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Critic
Uf, needs much more work. As Jay said it's bold move by posting this site to this group. Follow the standards but first learn them. All the best, 2005/12/16, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is a standards group and as such I think it would be best if you checked your sites in a browser that was more standards compliant than IE6 both of these layouts break in Firefox 1.5. On top of it all this is a tables based layout that doesn't even work cross browser. There is nothing in this layout that couldn't be accomplished using Cascading Style Sheets. Your page doesn't validate according to doctype HTML 4.01 and you have all sorts of deprecated tag usage such as font. Honestly, you are making a bold move by posting these sites to this group. All the best, Jay Boteler, Cheree wrote: Hi everyone: I was wondering if any of you would be willing to look at my new sites and critic them. Any comments would be great! Thanks! http://econdev.sierrapacific.com http://econdev.nevadapower.com Cheree Boteler Web Marketing Consultant Economic Development Sierra Pacific Power Company 6100 Neil Road Reno, NV 89501 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (775) 834.3755 Fax: (775) 834.3384 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Critic
Cheree ,One of the first things you will want to do is to validate your code. That will be of a tremedous help not only to your development process, but it will also go a long way towards getting more answers here. Validation is your friend!! You can pick up Chris Pedericks developer tool bar for Firefoxhttp://chrispederick.com/work/webdeveloper/or something similar here for Internet Explorer: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=e59c3964-672d-4511-bb3e-2d5e1db91038DisplayLang=en If you do not have the Firefox browser, get it! It is your best friend!http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/My BLog has a bunuch of links that may be of interes such as: http://www.alistapart.com/http://www.htmldog.com/http://www.w3schools.com/that can Super-Charge your standards development journey! Welcome to the list! =)JimOn 12/16/05, Boteler, Cheree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone: I was wondering if any of you would be willing to look at my new sites and critic them. Any comments would be great! Thanks! http://econdev.sierrapacific.com http://econdev.nevadapower.com Cheree Boteler Web Marketing Consultant Economic Development Sierra Pacific PowerCompany 6100 Neil Road Reno, NV 89501 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (775) 834.3755 Fax: (775) 834.3384 -- __Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft!www.co.sauk.wi.us (Work)www.arionshome.com (Personal)www.freexenon.com (Consulting)__Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.comMaking a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standardshttp://www.maccaws.org/Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/Web Standards Grouphttp://www.webstandardsgroup.org/Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/
Re: [WSG] Site Critic
Cheree, One of the first things I will say it looks like you might be writing this in MS Frontpage! You have a lot of inline javascipt: Your may want to take a look at Unobtrusive Javascript http://www.onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/ Keeping your javascript in an external file will be more efficient and make it easier to maintain. Sierra Pacific Counties: This can be done in all CSS (AlistAPart has great examples).A CSS solution will be more search engine friendly and accessible. Nevada Industrial Parks sections: You can create this using headers and Paragraph tags instead of multiple br tags. This type of solution will be more semantically correct. h2 a href=industrialparks/index.htmNevada Industrial Parks/a/h2 pView a list of industrial parks within Nevada./p h2a href=taxes.htmNevada Taxes/Incentives/ah2 pThe incentives of doing business in Nevada are expansive. Nevada boasts one of the most liberal tax structures in the nation and from a tax-planning perspective, the return on investment in the form of tax saving dollars can be enormous. Explore the numerous advantages of doing business in Nevada./p h2a href=documents/overview.pdfNorthern Nevada Overview/a/h2 . Contact Info Section: A similar solution of using headers would be good and more semantically correct. Also a definition list would be a good set of tags to use here for the pictures and associated information. h2CONTACT INFO/h2 dl dta href=about.htm#simsimg src=images/grant.gif alt=Grant Sims align=left border=0 height=57 width=45Grant Sims/a/dt ddManagerbr 775.834.5742br a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a/p /dd dta href=about.htm#woodringimg src=images/brad.gif alt=Brad Woodring align=right border=0 height=57 width=48Brad Woodring/adt ddExecutivebr 775.834.3716br a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a/p /dd /dl I will not go into the multiple h1 issue. Some believe that there should only be one H1 per page, like me, and the rest believe that it is OK! The specification sure does not help. My opinion is that there should only be one h1 per page, take it for what it is worth. =) Just some thoughts to get you going! Similar things can be said of the other site as well! Good luck, Jim! -- __ Bugs are, by definition, necessary. Just ask Microsoft! www.freexenon.com (Consulting) www.arionshome.com (Personal) __ Take Back the Web with Mozilla Fire Fox http://www.getfirefox.com Making a Commercial Case for Adopting Web Standards http://www.maccaws.org/ Web Standards Project http://www.webstandards.org/ Web Standards Group http://www.webstandardsgroup.org/ Guild of Accessible Web Designers http://www.gawds.org/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Fixed Height: Headers and Footers
Thanks for your pointers, unfortunately it's for a client intranet site and they exclusively use I.E. 6 (more's the pitty) . I modified your suggestion to used position: absolute and have a fixed height (which i can just about work with), which although means i don't get the same scroll bar behaviour does seem to work fine.Am I right in thinking i would use the "MIME Map" section of the "Http Headers" tab in the IIS properties for a particular site to change how the pages are served?Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/16/05, CHRISTOPHER MEEK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I'm attempting to move a site away from using 10's of nested tables towards using just CSS I have a layout with 3 vertical elements, a header a footer and the content The header, obviously sits quietly at the top of the screen but will chane size depending on content The content comes next with overflow: auto so that it scrolls as needed The footer needs to sit permanently at the bottom of the screen.What you really want is a fixed header and footer. I'm not sure howdesirable this is since this consumes a lot of screen space, but formost browsers it's as simple as applying position:fixed to both divs.So you would have:#header { position:fixed; top:0; left:0; width:100%; }#footer { position:fixed; bottom:0; left:0; width:100%; }The reason to use position:fixed is that it allows the user to usetheir default browser scrollbar to scroll the content, which is muchmore accessible than internal scrollbars. The problem is getting thisto work with older browsers like IE 6. If you really want to consumethe space and you want to take the time to make this work withbrowsers like IE 6, let us know.Otherwise if you don't care so much about the accessibility part thenyou can just combine some other form of position and give the contentoverflow:auto.I'm sure someone else can explain one of these techniques better than I can. Plus, I'm using an XHTML 1.1 doctype.Are you serving the webpages as mime-type "application/xhtml+xml" ?Because that is the only mime-type that should be used with XHTML 1.1.Otherwise if you are going to use "text/html" then you should useXHTML 1.0 Strict or HTML 4.01 Strict. There are only 3, exactly 3differences between XHTML 1.0 Strict and XHTML 1.1, and unless you areserving "application/xhtml+xml" you should not be using 1.1.If you want to know why there's a thread in the archives all about that.Christian Montoyachristianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help**
[WSG] the kind of assignment that makes you want to scream
Can you imagine being the one stuck with creating this navigation scheme? http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4600108?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG holy moley, mother of all tabs. It makes me itch just looking at it. Ted Drake Front-end Engineer Yahoo! Tech
Re: [WSG] the kind of assignment that makes you want to scream
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lol heh m8 I'm like O_O nah this can't be posible :) Good luck :)2005/12/17, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can you imagine being the one stuck with creating this navigation scheme? http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4600108?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG holy moley, mother of all tabs. It makes me itch just looking at it. Ted Drake Front-end Engineer Yahoo! Tech
RE: [WSG] the kind of assignment that makes you want to scream
Can you imagine being the one stuck with creating this navigation scheme? http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4600108?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG Ouch. Didn't Amazon look like that for a while? Buy a House | Sell a House | Adopt a Child | Sell a Child... -Nigel ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] the kind of assignment that makes you want to scream
Ted Drake wrote: Can you imagine being the one stuck with creating this navigation scheme? http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4600108?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG holy moley, mother of all tabs. It makes me itch just looking at it. Who agreed that having the pull-downs cover up some of the tabs on the rows was all right? The Apple Computer pull down menu covers up a large chunk of tabs below. Yikes! -- Zulema Ortiz Web Designer folio: http://zoblue.com blog: http://blog.zoblue.com browser: http://getfirefox.com Whenever you're in conflict with someone, there is one factor that can make the difference between damaging your relationship and deepening it. That factor is attitude. - William James. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] the kind of assignment that makes you want to scream
On 18 Dec 2005, at 9:16 AM, Ted Drake wrote: Can you imagine being the one stuck with creating this navigation scheme? Yes, but worse, can you imagine being stuck using this nav without a search function? Now, just to steal your thread Ted, will the fans of drop down menus please visit this site and actually try to use it. It is a pretty good example of what to avoid in a main navigation system. If you don't want to visit it here is my internal dialogue during the first 10 seconds visiting this site. Ever so slightly Amazon-esque pre the 'see all 32' tab, but with less categories. OK so far, what is Ted talking about? 3 levels of tabs? Hmm, anyone who's used Word should feel right at home. Hopefully they don't reorder the tabs like word when you click one. OK so far. [moves mouse to tab] Oh, how inspired! Tabs and dropdowns... Up to four levels to boot! Itch? My brain is melting! Where's the search? To be fair, if you turn off js and just use the tabs and the left hand navigation, the site navigation is pretty good. But dropdowns? Just say no. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] the kind of assignment that makes you want to scream
Ted Drake wrote: Can you imagine being the one stuck with creating this navigation scheme? http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4600108?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG Hi Ted, Wow! Graphic tabs + flyout menu altogether! Jaws announces 128 links on the home page ;) Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] the kind of assignment that makes you want to scream
i like tabs as much as anybody else, but when it's _that_ bad, it's time to move them from the top to the side. wouldn't look nearly as bad as a vertical nav, and wouldnt have the flyouts covering 50% of the remaining nav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML1.1 differences
On 12/17/05, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: designer wrote: Only 3 differences? I seem to remember more than a dozen . . . What are your 3? There's 3 listed in the XHTML 1.1 Appendix A [1]. However, there are other undocumented changes too. That's what I was remembering. Probably shouldn't have said that so matter-of-factly. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] XHTML1.1 differences
Hello, Does anyone can help me? I want to know why in IE my side bar is wrong i mean the bullets are not in the rigth place, and when i see it in Firefox its ok... is there a css hack that i need for IE? Thanks for your help. - Original Message - From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML1.1 differences On 12/17/05, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: designer wrote: Only 3 differences? I seem to remember more than a dozen . . . What are your 3? There's 3 listed in the XHTML 1.1 Appendix A [1]. However, there are other undocumented changes too. That's what I was remembering. Probably shouldn't have said that so matter-of-factly. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Help with CSS ul
Hello,Does anyone can help me?I want to know why in IE my side bar is wrong i mean the bullets are not in the rigth place, and when i see it in Firefox its ok... is there a css hack that i need for IE?Thanks for your help. PD: Sorry about the last message that i sent it had the wrong subject accidentally --José Kusunoki G.Diseñador[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.constantconcept.com(511) 97004563
Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
Jose - Probably a margin padding issue. Try reducing the padding margin and position the bullets with the xy positioning on the background rule for the li or a:li. I'm not that great with css, you'll probably get some better answers. Have a nice holiday. Matt Hello, Does anyone can help me? I want to know why in IE my side bar is wrong i mean the bullets are not in the rigth place, and when i see it in Firefox its ok... is there a css hack that i need for IE? Thanks for your help. PD: Sorry about the last message that i sent it had the wrong subject accidentally -- José Kusunoki G. Diseñador [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.constantconcept.com (511) 97004563 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
José Kusunoki Gutiérrez wrote: I want to know why in IE my side bar is wrong i mean the bullets are not in the rigth place, and when i see it in Firefox its ok... is there a css hack that i need for IE? No-one can possibly offer you any useful advice on how to solve this problem because you haven't provided a link, we can't see the problem for ourselves, we don't know what styles you have applied and thus have no idea what may be causing the issue in IE. It may be a simple case of making sure you set the margin and padding on the ul and li elements, as they do have different default values in different browsers. It could be a double-margin float bug. It could be one of many thousands of IE bugs. Start at position is everything, look through the IE bugs and see if you can find one that resembles your problem. If not, provide much more information about your page. A link to the page is the most useful. http://positioniseverything.net/ PD: Sorry about the last message that i sent it had the wrong subject accidentally It's not a good idea to start a new thread by replying to another message in a completely unrelated thread. Simply changing the subject and deleting the quote (Both of which you initially failed to do.) isn't good enough either, since the message may still contain headers that indicate which thread it's in. Always start a new thread by creating a new message. -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
I think that is http://www.constantconcept.com/ On 18/12/05 1:25, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No-one can possibly offer you any useful advice on how to solve this problem because you haven't provided a link, we can't see the problem for ourselves, we don't know what styles you have applied and thus have no idea what may be causing the issue in IE. -- Atentamente, Jorge Laranjo email [EMAIL PROTECTED] gTalk [EMAIL PROTECTED] msn [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype jorge.laranjo http://www.olhares.com/fueg0/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fueg0/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
Jorge Laranjo wrote: On 18/12/05 1:25, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No-one can possibly offer you any useful advice on how to solve this problem because you haven't provided a link, we can't see the problem for ourselves, we don't know what styles you have applied and thus have no idea what may be causing the issue in IE. I think that is http://www.constantconcept.com/ My mistake, I didn't look in the sig. Although, it's generally a good idea to explicitly state which site is being talked about in the body of the message anyway. -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] So Sorry
though that i had put it www.constantconcept.com and the css is http://constantconcept.com/wp-content/themes/mio/style.css Thank you very much and sorry again about i didnt put the links --José Kusunoki G.Diseñador[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.constantconcept.com(511) 97004563
Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
Hey Jose, It seems that you are referring to the li elements within the #contentright div? I don¹t have IE in front of me but there is a known whitespace bug to do with IE and list items. There are a range of methods that can be used to fix it including: 1. floating the li 2. setting the a element to display block, moving the background image to this element and then adding display: inline to overcome whitespace issues. 3. using negative margins on the li 4. playing with border-bottom on the li Best to try them all and see which suits your needs. On another note, you seem to have linked to the one css file twice in the head of your document. First link: link rel=stylesheet href=http://constantconcept.com/wp-content/themes/mio/style.css; type=text/css media=screen / Second link: style type=text/css !-- @import url(http://constantconcept.com/wp-content/themes/mio/style.css;); -- /style If the aim is to hide styles from older browsers, the second method may be best, but it would definitely be best to link to the same file only once... Unless I am missing something here :) Finally, everyone stuffs up their first post or two to mail lists. I think I stuffed up my first 20 or so... Don't stress about it! HTH Russ Hello, Does anyone can help me? I want to know why in IE my side bar is wrong i mean the bullets are not in the rigth place, and when i see it in Firefox its ok... is there a css hack that i need for IE? Thanks for your help. PD: Sorry about the last message that i sent it had the wrong subject accidentally ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Posting and discussions on the WSG list
Hi all, Generally speaking, the WSG list has a great vibe - with members helping each other and offering advice. However, I have been concerned with a recent trend on list. There seems to be an element of lecturing, chest beating and heavy-handed criticism. Can I ask all members to think of a few things before posting. We should all avoid: - Posts that criticise other people or their opinion. - Posting to show other people how clever we are. - Continuing threads that have obviously moved away from open discussion into dogmatic stances and set opinions. The aim of this list is not to scare people off, to put people down or to hammer people with your opinion. The aim of posting is to help others and to stimulate discussion around the topic of web standards. For new members, a few simple guides that may help you as well as helping those that want to help you (and possibly even help those who want to help those who want to help you - but I should stop before I get dizzy). 1. Set up a sample page that shows just the problem in action. 2. Validate your HTML code 3. Validate your CSS code 4. Test the page on a range of browsers - as many as you can get access to. 5. Post your problem to the list with the following info: - a link to the sample url - a link to the css file if it is separate - a short, clear explanation of the problem - a list of browsers and how they render the problem M Sound familiar? http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm A final request... Please don't respond to this on-list - feel free to abuse me OFFLIST! :) Peace! Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
On 12/17/2005 5:36 PM José Kusunoki Gutiérrez wrote: I want to know why in IE my side bar is wrong i mean the bullets are not in the rigth place, and when i see it in Firefox its ok... is there a css hack that i need for IE? Hi José, I don't think you need a hack for IE, just to set the line height for #contentright li. I did this: #contentright li{ background: url(images/flech.gif) no-repeat left top; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 0.7em; line-height: 1.2; /*!!! new !!!*/ margin: 5px; padding: 3px 0 2px 13px; } And the right section looks OK in IE and Firefox, although the difference in font size remains. -- Steve Clason Web Design and Development Boulder, Colorado, USA www.topdogstrategy.com (303)818-8590 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with CSS ul
José Kusunoki Gutiérrez wrote: Hello, Does anyone can help me? I want to know why in IE my side bar is wrong i mean the bullets are not in the rigth place, and when i see it in Firefox its ok... is there a css hack that i need for IE? Thanks for your help. José, Before you try to fix the issue with CSS, try removing the whitespace between the list items in the markup. IE has a problem with whitespace in there. HTH, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **