Re: [WSG] ServerSide Includes and Divs

2006-02-11 Thread Soeren Mordhorst
Helmut Granda schrieb: I discovered something weird today. When I was creating my layout that contains includes for some reason my rules would not work properly only if the layout was like this. -- code starts Main Layout div id=’header’ Include ‘header.php’; /div div id=’content’

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-11 Thread Paul Ross
I saw the Target Sued story over on Cnet (http://tinyurl.com/b3u29). What was amazing to me was the response from a Mr Troy Gaddis in the talkback section (bottom of above page under the title This is Absurd. Here's a highlight: Why do people with disibilites think they DESERVE compensation for

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-11 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/11/06, Paul Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw the Target Sued story over on Cnet (http://tinyurl.com/b3u29). What was amazing to me was the response from a Mr Troy Gaddis in the talkback section (bottom of above page under the title This is Absurd. Here's a highlight: Why do people

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-11 Thread Designer
Christian Montoya wrote: Sounds like he has no idea how simple it is to make a website accessible. But that's not the big deal here. If you look at all the comments at Cnet, you'll see that a lot of people agree with Mr. Gaddis... which brings to light a bigger social problem behind the fight

RE: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-11 Thread Nic
Far better to approach the problem by emsuggestingem/ that it's a 'good idea' to do x and y because the resulting site can be visually identical but more accessible. Screaming and shouting and making money for lawyers is just fanaticism, and considerably discouraging. The answer, like

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-11 Thread Stuart Sherwood
At which point does one's right to do as one chooses start stepping on another one's right to access services? I believe there is no right to access services. Any such aberration of 'rights' that necessarily violates the legitimate rights of others is destructive to our liberty. The

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-11 Thread Lynne Pope
On 2/12/06, Stuart Sherwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At which point does one's right to do as one chooses start stepping on another one's right to access services? I believe there is no right to access services. Any such aberration of 'rights' that necessarily violates the legitimate

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-11 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Designer wrote: The objections cited, such as the sarcastic suggestion that we sue the radio because the deaf can't hear it, does actually make a valid point and highlights the senseless extremes that one could go to. The nature of radio itself is purely the transmission of audio signals.

[WSG] Opera 8.5 css

2006-02-11 Thread Lynne Pope
Hi all, I have a site that is pretty close to pixel-perfect in IE Firefox. However, with Opera 8.5 I have run into problems with the layering of floats. It seems 8.5 is not recognising 'position: relative; z-index:n;' in the float layer. Does anyone know if this is a recognised bug? If it is,

Re: [WSG] Opera 8.5 css

2006-02-11 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Lynne Pope wrote: ... It seems 8.5 is not recognising 'position: relative; z-index:n;' in the float layer. Does anyone know if this is a recognised bug? If it is, could you please direct me to a workaround? It is a recognized Opera bug - which is fixed in Op9 previews...

[WSG] accessible drill-down into a nested list

2006-02-11 Thread Paul Novitski
I'd like to hear from folks who've used screen-readers: What are the best ways to drill down into a nested list? Consider a nested menu that's marked up as an unordered list (UL). Select an item in the top-level menu and the page reloads with a second-level menu of items opened up within the

Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-11 Thread Lachlan Hunt
Nic wrote: At which point does one's right to do as one chooses start stepping on another one's right to access services? Would we even *have* this discussion if people being refused access to websites were black and the refusal was because they are black? I really don't see the point you are

RE: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site

2006-02-11 Thread Nic
There is no difference between refusing access to someone based on physical/mental disability and someone based on their race, culture, religion, etc. It's unnecessary discrimination either way. Lachlan, that was, actually, my point. Only people don't recognise that refusing access to

Re: [WSG] accessible drill-down into a nested list

2006-02-11 Thread Terrence Wood
Paul Novitski wrote: When the page reloads the screen-reader begins reading the menu from the beginning again. Correct. The user would have to listen for a new sub-menu, but without really knowing for sure whether a new sub-menu had appeared. Correct. browsing with a screen-reader must