Re: [WSG] Dutch guild of front-end developers in the making
On 03/07/07, Sander Aarts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday, PPK announced that he and others are busy setting up a Dutch guild of Front-end Developers: http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2007/07/gilde_van_front.html (only in Dutch for now). The general idea is to professionalize front-end development, emphesize the fact that it is in fact a branche of its own and to set up a certification system by which customers can easily distinguish between modern developers, using web standards, and old skool table hackers. Interesting. Whenever the subject has arisen before, it's usually been felt that because the pace of change is so rapid in web development, certification is practically useless - you might have qualified for a certificate a year ago, but that's no guarantee that you're still using the most up-to-date techniques. -- Matthew Pennell // m: 07904 432123 // www.thewatchmakerproject.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Dutch guild of front-end developers in the making
Matthew Pennell schreef: On 03/07/07, *Sander Aarts* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday, PPK announced that he and others are busy setting up a Dutch guild of Front-end Developers: http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2007/07/gilde_van_front.html (only in Dutch for now). The general idea is to professionalize front-end development, emphesize the fact that it is in fact a branche of its own and to set up a certification system by which customers can easily distinguish between modern developers, using web standards, and old skool table hackers. Interesting. Whenever the subject has arisen before, it's usually been felt that because the pace of change is so rapid in web development, certification is practically useless - you might have qualified for a certificate a year ago, but that's no guarantee that you're still using the most up-to-date techniques. True, and that's one of the issues they're working on. There will probably be different certification levels and as it seems now the highest levels will need to be updated regularly. The fact that the pase is so rapid makes it even harder for customers to know who is old skool and who is up to date. A one year old certificate, as you mentioned, will never be very outdated I guess. Unless the exam was already outdated of course. Sure there will be new techniques or best practices, but not that many become standards instantly. cheers, Sander *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Dutch guild of front-end developers in the making
I just started doing a Cert IV in Assessment and Training so that I'd be a qualified trainer (not necessarily for the web), and I was surprised to find out that the training packages for qualifications are normally only reviewed every 5 years. In many industries that would be okay. But on the web? I was also surprised to find some training packages for IT related certificates (here in Australia ) which included a unit on writing a web documents which claimed DHTML was a valid markup language. The unit (ICAB4135A) Create a simple mark up language document to specification says... Mark-up language May include but are not limited to HTML, DHTML, XHTML, SGML, VRML, XML. That unit is part of a Cert IV in IT (Websites). Lucien. Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Jul 3, 2007 at 3:53 PM, Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/07/07, Sander Aarts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday, PPK announced that he and others are busy setting up a Dutch guild of Front- end Developers: http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2007/07/gilde_van_front.html (only in Dutch for now). The general idea is to professionalize front- end development, emphesize the fact that it is in fact a branche of its own and to set up a certification system by which customers can easily distinguish between modern developers, using web standards, and old skool table hackers. Interesting. Whenever the subject has arisen before, it's usually been felt that because the pace of change is so rapid in web development, certification is practically useless - you might have qualified for a certificate a year ago, but that's no guarantee that you're still using the most up- to- date techniques. Swinburne University of Technology CRICOS Provider Code: 00111D NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended only for the use of the addressee. They may contain information that is privileged or protected by copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution, printing, copying or use is strictly prohibited. The University does not warrant that this e-mail and any attachments are secure and there is also a risk that it may be corrupted in transmission. It is your responsibility to check any attachments for viruses or defects before opening them. If you have received this transmission in error, please contact us on +61 3 9214 8000 and delete it immediately from your system. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. Please consider the environment before printing this email. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Dutch guild of front-end developers in the making
Interesting, although i didnt read a word of it, its all in dutch, but i got the english summary. As for certification, its useless as one pointed out, technologys on the internet change all the time. Im at uni at the moment doing web development, and in the HTML side of things, they still teach old school methods. Lukily for me i know alot on the web standards side of things. Fair play to them though, thumbs up, wish them well. On 7/3/07, Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just started doing a Cert IV in Assessment and Training so that I'd be a qualified trainer (not necessarily for the web), and I was surprised to find out that the training packages for qualifications are normally only reviewed every 5 years. In many industries that would be okay. But on the web? I was also surprised to find some training packages for IT related certificates (here in Australia ) which included a unit on writing a web documents which claimed DHTML was a valid markup language. The unit (ICAB4135A) Create a simple mark up language document to specification says... Mark-up language May include but are not limited to HTML, DHTML, XHTML, SGML, VRML, XML. That unit is part of a Cert IV in IT (Websites). Lucien. Lucien Stals [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Jul 3, 2007 at 3:53 PM, Matthew Pennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/07/07, Sander Aarts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yesterday, PPK announced that he and others are busy setting up a Dutch guild of Front- end Developers: http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2007/07/gilde_van_front.html(only in Dutch for now). The general idea is to professionalize front- end development, emphesize the fact that it is in fact a branche of its own and to set up a certification system by which customers can easily distinguish between modern developers, using web standards, and old skool table hackers. Interesting. Whenever the subject has arisen before, it's usually been felt that because the pace of change is so rapid in web development, certification is practically useless - you might have qualified for a certificate a year ago, but that's no guarantee that you're still using the most up- to- date techniques. Swinburne University of Technology CRICOS Provider Code: 00111D NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended only for the use of the addressee. They may contain information that is privileged or protected by copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution, printing, copying or use is strictly prohibited. The University does not warrant that this e-mail and any attachments are secure and there is also a risk that it may be corrupted in transmission. It is your responsibility to check any attachments for viruses or defects before opening them. If you have received this transmission in error, please contact us on +61 3 9214 8000 and delete it immediately from your system. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. Please consider the environment before printing this email. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Dutch guild of front-end developers in the making
James Jeffery wrote: Interesting, although i didnt read a word of it, its all in dutch, but i got the english summary. I tried translating it with Babelfish, the result was somewhat incoherent but more intelligible (to me) than Dutch. As for certification, its useless as one pointed out, They're not useless, though their main benefit is demonstrating a level of technical competency to non-technical people - eg. managers, HR departments and recruiters, rather than as a direct benefit to the certificate holder. technologys on the internet change all the time. This is simply not true, HTML 4.01 was published in December 1999. CSS 2.0 was published in May 1998, neither of these are obsolete. Even in terms of practical implementations, IE6 was launched in 2001 and not superseded until late last year. What changes more frequently is the more nebulous concept of 'best practice' rather than the standards themselves, and those, I think, change more gradually over time rather than the epochal pattern of browser/standards release cycles. Even if a certificate were only valid for one year it would still have some long term value - someone with a two year old certification ought to have more value in a potential employer's eyes than someone who's never gained any certification at all. Perhaps the certification process itself should include some portion of 'keeping up' - ie. reading mailing lists and blogs, attending conferences etc. - similar to professional development programmes that already exist in management and other parts of IT? Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Robot meta tags
I'm new to this group, so if this discussion has occurred in the past, I'm not aware of it. Is it important to include the following as part of the meta tags on web pages? meta name=robots content=index,follow Joyce *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags
On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 17:45:26 -0500, Joyce Evans wrote: Is it important to include the following as part of the meta tags on web pages? meta name=robots content=index,follow No. 'index' and 'follow' are the default values for the robots meta - any robot will assume these values if there is no robots meta element on the page. You only need to include them if you are resetting them to eg 'noindex' or 'nofollow', etc. Of course, it isn't *wrong* to include them, just redundant. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x
Regarding Why beat your head against the wall of buggy browsers when the manufacturer themselves supplies a workaround? I want to know more about conditional comments. Is this a good resource? http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms537512.aspx#Conditional_Statement s Joyce -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Gleitzman Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:28 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x On 2 Jul 2007, at 6:09 PM, Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: I guess I was hoping to fix the problem(s), rather than just rely on a hack. Other suggestions appreciated. Fair enough, but I'd say your chances of getting the one set of css rules to display correctly in all browsers are pretty slim - especially if you want to include browsers as flawed as Exploder 5.x. Even MS themselves accept how hard this is - hence CCs. I routinely serve as many as three alternative stylesheets vis CCs for different versions of IE. They only need to contain a handful of rules necessary to override the correct values served to compliant browsers. Whether you consider CCs a hack is, I guess, subjective. But your code will validate, and they're easy to remove with a global search and replace if and when the time comes that you don't need them any more. Why beat your head against the wall of buggy browsers when the manufacturer themselves supplies a workaround? N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Images not showing on the MAC (JavaScript issue)
Hi all,
I hope its not off-topic, it is after all to do with user friendliness.
I'm using some JavaScript to hide any images that have not loaded properly
or are missing. I don't like seeing the red crosses on a site, it looks
unprofessional.
http://www.sellmystuff.com.au/buystuff/generalstuff/parent-category.cfm?cate
goryIdentity=1
The problem is that on the MAC it removes all images like they have not
loaded properly. It only removes the ones within the HTML, not those placed
by CSS.
Following is the code used to check, obviously isLoadedImage always seems to
return false on the MAC for some reason. Would anyone know why?
function isLoadedImage( obj ) {
if (!obj.complete) {
return false;
}
if ( typeof obj.naturalWidth != undefined obj.naturalWidth == 0 ) {
return false;
}
return true;
}
function checkImage() {
for ( var i = 0; i document.images.length; i++ ) {
if ( !isLoadedImage( document.images[ i ] ) ) {
document.images[ i ].style.visibility = hidden;
}
}
};
myWindow.doAddOnloadListener( checkImage );
Thanks in advance.
Kind regards, Taco Fleur
clickfindT
www.clickfind.com.au the new Australian search engine for businesses,
products and services .
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Re: [WSG] Robot meta tags
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 19:04 -0400, Brian Cummiskey wrote: Joyce Evans wrote: Is it important to include the following as part of the meta tags on web pages? meta name=robots content=index,follow No. Meta tags are all but depreciated at this point. he only common one still being used is the langauge/charset type. Most possibly getting off topic but meta name=description content =meta description here / WILL be used by google for the description under the title in search results. Cheers Bruce -- Bruce Morrison Solution Architect designIT Pty Ltd Website Content Management Specialists *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Dutch guild of front-end developers in the making
James Jeffery schreef: As for certification, its useless as one pointed out, technologys on the internet change all the time. Lukily for me i know alot on the web standards side of things. Well, that knowledge is useless too then as web technology changes all the time. Even though things change more rapidly in web development than in other technology branches, that doesn't necessarily mean that certification is useless. As Rob Crowther already pointed out web *standards* don't really change that often. And even best practices evolve in such a pase (certainly not every month) that, for front-end development, a certificate with a validity of 1 or 2 years (depending on the level) can give quite an accurate indication of the developer's skills. Besides that, I want to know where I stand and what areas I need to improve that perhaps I'm not aware of. cheers, Sander *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Developing Accessible Applications With Flash, Asp and visual Basic
Hi. now just wondering, can i develop flash web applications, using jaws, and say using a programming interface say like microsoft visual studio, asp, or the flash development kit, and like say developing web applications, with a flash interface, and say doing animations, lines, arrows, buttons, and a flash movie, inserting, audio and video. how accessible with jaws? if you could let me, know, send asap. cheers Marvin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Re: video
Flash: (google video, youtube, yahoo video, revver, dailymotion, etc etc) http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_1/ http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_2/ http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_3/ Yes, you can get (pretty) good quality flash video at a low file size Quicktime gives good quality (at a larger file size) but just isn't as ubiquitous as flash... My 2c anyway *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: video
Flash all the way im afraid. 2c Karl On 7/4/07, Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flash: (google video, youtube, yahoo video, revver, dailymotion, etc etc) http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_1/ http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_2/ http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_3/ Yes, you can get (pretty) good quality flash video at a low file size Quicktime gives good quality (at a larger file size) but just isn't as ubiquitous as flash... My 2c anyway *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: video
Karl Lurman wrote: Flash all the way im afraid. 2c Karl On 7/4/07, Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flash: (google video, youtube, yahoo video, revver, dailymotion, etc etc) http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_1/ http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_2/ http://www.digital-web.com/articles/the_rise_of_flash_video_part_3/ Yes, you can get (pretty) good quality flash video at a low file size Quicktime gives good quality (at a larger file size) but just isn't as ubiquitous as flash... My 2c anyway snip You could also look at OGG/Theora and MPEG4... see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora and there are some filesize comparisons at http://www.ramin.com.au/linux/acs-os-sig.html#slide6 Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au/linux Phone: 0414 869202 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Footer Problem IE5.x
On Behalf Of Joyce Evans I want to know more about conditional comments. Is this a good resource? http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en- us/library/ms537512.aspx#Conditional_Statement Yes it is. You can also check this article I wrote: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/conditional_comments.asp HTH, --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
