Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
On 17 Oct 2007, at 04:56, Nick Cowie wrote: I was experimenting with HTML over flash, and while param name=wmode value=transparent / works great on Windows. The flash plugin could not get the order right for OsX or *nix, no matter what I tried (source order, z-index etc). It was purely random 50% of the time the flash would appear over the HTML and the other 50% of the time the HTML would appear over the flash file. I was using it on a footer and could just scroll up and down the page a few times to get different results. in my experience wmode transparent doesn't work for any *nix browser - nothing I tried seems to let *nix browsers do anything other than render flash movies on top of everything else... OS X seemed okay mind... YMMV my test: www.boldfishclient.co.uk/go/flash the browsercam results: http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=383238 hth *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
Nick I'm away from my Mac machine for a couple of weeks .. Do you think you (or someone else with a mac) could do me a favour and have a look at the page in question and tell me if the problem is fixed or not on your mac? It's not all that critical for us, because Macs aren't very big amongst our customers - a very small proportion - but if I can set it so it works nice for them so much the better. The page is http://newwaves.com.au/nw/mockingupdemo.cfmIt'll only take a few seconds to determine if the menu drop down under Stock service shows several items or none. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com http://afpwebworks.com/ Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Cowie Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2007 1:57 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash On 16/10/2007, Michael Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This has fixed the problem for IE6 and Firefox on Windows, so I'm assuming it's fixed for most of our target browsers. Probably not. If your target OSes other than windows, the flash plugin works quite differently on OsX and *nix. I was experimenting with HTML over flash, and while param name=wmode value=transparent / works great on Windows. The flash plugin could not get the order right for OsX or *nix, no matter what I tried (source order, z-index etc). It was purely random 50% of the time the flash would appear over the HTML and the other 50% of the time the HTML would appear over the flash file. I was using it on a footer and could just scroll up and down the page a few times to get different results. So you need to check your menu system on one of those OSes. Just rollover the menu a few times and see what happens. -- Nick Cowie http://nickcowie.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
On 17 Oct 2007, at 08:01, Michael Kear wrote: Nick I'm away from my Mac machine for a couple of weeks .. Do you think you (or someone else with a mac) could do me a favour and have a look at the page in question and tell me if the problem is fixed or not on your mac? I see the dropdown over the flash on my Mac Pro in Safari and Firefox, but in firefox the font specified for the drop downs is way too small and pixellates... to become unreadable. I'll try and get screenshots to you. hth *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
Mike, The drop-down menus drop down over the Flash for me in Safari 2.0.4 (on OS X v10.4.10), but not at all smoothly: the slide-down animation appears to flicker (especially noticeable on the stock service one). The flicker problem is an issue that happens a lot for Safari 2 users (but is fixable). The issue is apparently fixed in Safari 3. Check out http://f6design.com/journal/2007/07/11/safari-3-fixes-flash- flicker-bug/ (particularly the comment by 'Will' explaining how to fix it in Safari 2) I notice the same very illegible text in Firefox for Mac as Tony did. Cheers, Kit *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
Michael No problems with flash and the menu on my Mac OsX 10.4.9 with FF, Safari or Opera Other than issues above, menu typeface is tiny in both FF and Opera, increasing font size to read them does do damage to the menus with FF, still usable though. Flickering is also visible for me with Safari 2.0.4 ps that flash movie took ages to download. should be split into smaller pieces that get called as movie progresses. Nick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
On 17 Oct 2007, at 04:50, Chris Knowles wrote: Kit Grose wrote: Just a note: Your function doesn't currently use the RegExp function for anything useful (you might as well use indexOf). RegExp is the right way to do it, though, so you can enforce word boundaries to match complete classNames only (if I want all a.pop to be new window links, I wouldn't want a.popcorn to turn into a popup window). See http://snook.ca/archives/javascript/your_favourite_1/ for more info (specifically the update) on how to enforce word boundaries but allow for multiple classnames. good point - here it is modified to use word boundaries: Word boundaries aren't right either; for exmple, they will match a hyphen, so matching on some-thing will match some-thing-else. As per the HTML spec, class names are space-separated, so you need to match on spaces and the beginning or end of the string. To save time, Robert Nyman has already been through all these problems, so have a look at his ultimate getElementsByClassName: http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/11/07/the-ultimate- getelementsbyclassname/ including the comment from Bruce Weirdan explaining the above: http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/11/07/the- ultimate-getelementsbyclassname/#comment-1583 HTH, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] References for best web video practices
Hi, I'm trying to write a paper on the use of video on the web. This paper might be used as reference on a web based organization, so I would like it to be thorough but precise. I'm looking for fundamental references on this subject. Could you point me to some of your bookmarks or other resources about it? I'm specially interested in references that: * describe the chronological evolution of the video use on the web; * discuss formats and its advantages/disadvantages; * discuss best practices, both from the coder's and the user's point of view (including usability and accessibility); Thanks in advance to all! Roberto *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
Word boundaries aren't right either; for exmple, they will match a
hyphen, so matching on some-thing will match some-thing-else. As per the
HTML spec, class names are space-separated, so you need to match on
spaces and the beginning or end of the string.
of course, class names are separated by whitespace so hopefully this is
it...
function setNewWindowLinks(className)
{
var tags = document.getElementsByTagName('a');
var re = new RegExp('\\s' + className + '\\s');
if (tags.length 0) {
for (var i = 0; i tags.length; i++) {
if (tags[i].className.search(re) != -1) {
tags[i].onclick = function()
{
window.open(this.href, '_blank');
return false;
}
}
}
}
}
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[WSG] Encoded mailto links
Hi, can anyone tell me what is the best accessible way (if any) of encoding a mailto: link? I want to make the email addresses on a site usable to screen reader users, but don't want them harvested by spambots. Javascripted solutions seem like they would create a headache for screen readers, and any plain text equivalent presented in the name of accessibility would simply be harvested instead. And I prefer to avoid jscript if I can anyway. Is there a way out what seems, to my inexperienced eyes, like a catch-22 situation? Cheers; -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Rick Lecoat Is there a way out what seems, to my inexperienced eyes, like a catch-22 situation? Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end, not at the web page end, would be my advice. P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Rick Lecoat wrote:
can anyone tell me what is the best accessible way (if any) of encoding
a mailto: link? I want to make the email addresses on a site usable to
screen reader users, but don't want them harvested by spambots.
Javascripted solutions seem like they would create a headache for screen
readers, and any plain text equivalent presented in the name of
accessibility would simply be harvested instead. And I prefer to avoid
jscript if I can anyway.
I too am interested to know what others are doing. Javascript seems the
best way because you can keep the code to generate and insert a mailto
external to the html file but you have to cover the problem where
javascript can't be used.
I have a function I wrote in PHP that converts a string of characters to
their ASCII values and this works ok but is still in the html code so
maybe harvesters look for the ASCII value of the @ symbol and find
addresses still?
function htmlEncode($str)
{
$encoded = ;
for ($i = 0; $i strlen($str); $i++) {
$encoded .= #.ord($str[$i]).;;
}
return $encoded;
}
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Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Rick Lecoat Is there a way out what seems, to my inexperienced eyes, like a catch-22 situation? Patrick Lauke wrote: Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end, not at the web page end, would be my advice. This is good advice and raises the question of whether theres any real need or point in encoding email addresses on web pages at all. All anyone needs is a domain name and they can send mail to (or from) a dictionary of names @domain.name anyway. I guess that when clients want their own email addresses on pages and not just info@ or something generic there is maybe argument for encoding. As for screen readers, are html entities a problem? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Hi! Chris Knowles skrev: maybe harvesters look for the ASCII value of the @ symbol and find addresses still? Some harvesters decodes the links, so this is not a solution to the spam problem. The decoding is really trivial to perform in most programming languages. /anders *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
On 17 Oct 2007, at 13:55, Rick Lecoat wrote: can anyone tell me what is the best accessible way (if any) of encoding a mailto: link? I want to make the email addresses on a site usable to screen reader users, but don't want them harvested by spambots. I, long ago, gave up trying. Methods are either highly ineffective, or block out users you want as well as spam bots. I take the view that email addresses are going to end up on spam lists eventually no matter what I do, and just run spam filtering software. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ http://blog.dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
On Oct 17, 2007, at 8:55 AM, Rick Lecoat wrote: can anyone tell me what is the best accessible way (if any) of encoding a mailto: link? To answer a question w/ a question: I have started encoding email address strings, but your question makes me wonder how accessible this may be? How do screen readers dal with encoded characters, and how does a screen reader deal with a plain text email address? Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
On 17/10/07 (14:16) Patrick said: Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end, not at the web page end, would be my advice. David said: I, long ago, gave up trying. Methods are either highly ineffective, or block out users you want as well as spam bots. I take the view that email addresses are going to end up on spam lists eventually no matter what I do, and just run spam filtering software. So the general consensus would seem to be forgeddabowdit. I wondered if that would be the result, but I'm surprised that there isn't a workaround -- only because almost everything else that I thought would be impossible some clever person has found a way to do. To join with Andrew Maben, however, I'd be curious to know whether spambots decode encoded entity text, eg: 'user' becomes '#117;#115;#101;#114;' (ignore quote marks). I assume that they can read them perfectly easily -- browsers can, after all -- but it'd be good to know for sure. Same question for screen readers. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] intranet benchmarking quiz
plasmo wrote: Hi, I am currently reviewing an area of an intranet, and getting a lot of anecdotal comments such as all the intranets I've ever seen worked like this. To deal with this somewhat, I am taking a short quiz of people's experiences with their current intranets. If anyone here can help, replies would be most appreciated. Kind regards, Vanessa Toholka QUESTIONS: 1. Does your company have a single overarching intranet, which is the first point that everyone goes to, with sub sections for various groups OR do you have a separate site for each section or group within the company? 2. Is your intranet built on a standard set of templates reflected across divisions, or are your sub sites or various intranets very different? 3. If a new service/resource was being launched in your organisation would the announcement be made via email or via the intranet? 4. Do you utilise any collaboration tools. (discussion boards, wikis, blogs etc?) If so do they enjoy a good level of user activity and participation? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** It's hard to tell what you're asking for because I think you are misusing the word intranet (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intranet). From the way you have your questions worded, it seems to me that you are referring to subdomains (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdomain). Could you give an example of the various organizational strategies you are asking about? Carl. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Why not simply display the email address as a simple mailto only when the browser is a screen reader? On 10/17/07, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/07 (14:16) Patrick said: Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end, not at the web page end, would be my advice. David said: I, long ago, gave up trying. Methods are either highly ineffective, or block out users you want as well as spam bots. I take the view that email addresses are going to end up on spam lists eventually no matter what I do, and just run spam filtering software. So the general consensus would seem to be forgeddabowdit. I wondered if that would be the result, but I'm surprised that there isn't a workaround -- only because almost everything else that I thought would be impossible some clever person has found a way to do. To join with Andrew Maben, however, I'd be curious to know whether spambots decode encoded entity text, eg: 'user' becomes '#117;#115;#101;#114;' (ignore quote marks). I assume that they can read them perfectly easily -- browsers can, after all -- but it'd be good to know for sure. Same question for screen readers. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
On 18/10/07 (15:20) Chris said: Well I guess now I really think about it you can't solve it as you could append an email address to the DOM from an obfuscated javascript function and that would likely solve the problem but it's not an accessible solution. For screen readers you need to have the email address in the HTML code and whether it's encoded or not it's accessible to harvesters. Therefore theres no solution, so as Patrick said, Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end Fair enough. One less item on the 'things to clarify' list; thanks everyone. (Of course, I rarely have control over the client's mail server, still less their email client. I suppose that becomes their problem). -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Rick Lecoat wrote: I'm surprised that there isn't a workaround -- only because almost everything else that I thought would be impossible some clever person has found a way to do. Well I guess now I really think about it you can't solve it as you could append an email address to the DOM from an obfuscated javascript function and that would likely solve the problem but it's not an accessible solution. For screen readers you need to have the email address in the HTML code and whether it's encoded or not it's accessible to harvesters. Therefore theres no solution, so as Patrick said, Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end -- Chris Knowles *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
On 17/10/07 (15:33) Or said: Why not simply display the email address as a simple mailto only when the browser is a screen reader? If you mean by CSS (display: none -- or similar -- for aural media types), I'm not sure that would work because AFAIk spambots just look through the source code of the page for mailto links. The fact that the text is hidden when it gets to the browser is neither here nor there, surely? If you are talking about actually hiding markup from certain agent types, I'd certainly like to know your method. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
Michael, No problems with flash and the menu on my Mac OSX 10.4.10 with FF, and Safari 419.x (Tiger version (not the new beta)). Ditto on the font being too small on the drop-down menu (see the attachment); and with the movie taking too long to download (you may want to either break the movie up into smaller movies or use the bandwidth profile in flash to help you spread out the download across multiple frames (i.e. download a little up front and then continue the download as needed later so the user doesn't have to wait as long). As for the flickering that people are seeing in Safari... here is a helpful link from Adobe's CSS Advisor: Fixing Safari's wmode flicker.http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/communityengine/index.cfm?event=showdetailsproductId=1postId=1801 Lastly, what was your reasoning for choosing wmode='transparent' typically you only want to do that if you need to reveal something behind flash within the HTML. Transparent wmode is NOT supported by Linux and has issues with some Macintosh browsers (i.e. Safari). If you don't need to reveal anything under flash it's better to use wmode='opaque'. Furthermore, there are accessibility concerns when using wmode (i.e. flash becomes invisible to screen readers when wmode is set; see the following two links: - http://dynamicflash.com/2006/10/flash-accessibility-and-wmode/ - http://justin.everett-church.com/index.php/2006/02/23/wmode-woes/ *%20http://justin.everett-church.com/index.php/2006/02/23/wmode-woes/ Best Regards, Nate On 10/17/07, Nick Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael No problems with flash and the menu on my Mac OsX 10.4.9 with FF, Safari or Opera Other than issues above, menu typeface is tiny in both FF and Opera, increasing font size to read them does do damage to the menus with FF, still usable though. Flickering is also visible for me with Safari 2.0.4 ps that flash movie took ages to download. should be split into smaller pieces that get called as movie progresses. Nick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***attachment: Picture 1.png
RE: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Because you can't detect when a screen reader is there or not... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Or Golan Sent: 17 October 2007 15:33 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links Why not simply display the email address as a simple mailto only when the browser is a screen reader? On 10/17/07, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/07 (14:16) Patrick said: Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end, not at the web page end, would be my advice. David said: I, long ago, gave up trying. Methods are either highly ineffective, or block out users you want as well as spam bots. I take the view that email addresses are going to end up on spam lists eventually no matter what I do, and just run spam filtering software. So the general consensus would seem to be forgeddabowdit. I wondered if that would be the result, but I'm surprised that there isn't a workaround -- only because almost everything else that I thought would be impossible some clever person has found a way to do. To join with Andrew Maben, however, I'd be curious to know whether spambots decode encoded entity text, eg: 'user' becomes '#117;#115;#101;#114;' (ignore quote marks). I assume that they can read them perfectly easily -- browsers can, after all -- but it'd be good to know for sure. Same question for screen readers. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Rick Lecoat To join with Andrew Maben, however, I'd be curious to know whether spambots decode encoded entity text, eg: 'user' becomes '#117;#115;#101;#114;' (ignore quote marks). I assume that they can read them perfectly easily -- browsers can, after all -- but it'd be good to know for sure. Same question for screen readers. All that would take for a spambot is to do a two-pass: replace all encoded entities, then scan the result for email-address-like patterns. Trivial. And once an email address is harvested by one bot, it's likely to end up on lists that are then sold and shared around...so even if not all spambots will bother with a two-pass, it's not a safe way to go about things...and I'd say it's more trouble than it's worth (makes editing the page a pain for non-techie users, for instance). P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Rick Lecoat If you are talking about actually hiding markup from certain agent types, I'd certainly like to know your method. Screen readers run on top of normal browsers like IE of Firefox, so user-agent-wise you won't be able to really distinguish them. You *may* be able to catch some specialised talking browsers, but who uses those nowadays? P Patrick H. Lauke Web Editor Enterprise Development University of Salford Room 113, Faraday House Salford, Greater Manchester M5 4WT UK T +44 (0) 161 295 4779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.salford.ac.uk A GREATER MANCHESTER UNIVERSITY *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
On 17 Oct 2007, at 13:47, Chris Knowles wrote:
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
Word boundaries aren't right either; for exmple, they will match a
hyphen, so matching on some-thing will match some-thing-else. As
per the
HTML spec, class names are space-separated, so you need to match on
spaces and the beginning or end of the string.
of course, class names are separated by whitespace so hopefully
this is
it...
var re = new RegExp('\\s' + className + '\\s');
Nope, that won't match thing to thing, only to thing - you
need to check for the start or end of the string as well as a space :-)
HTH,
Nick.
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[WSG] javascript/DOM scripting in cross-browser-land
Hi all, I've been lurking on this list for a bit and am now sending my first post/question. Having been looking for a client-side solution to sorting tabular data, I came upon a phenomenal script by Stuart Langridge called 'sorttable' [1]. Easy to implement, seemingly stable in all Win/6+ browsers and those on Mac/Linux with which I was able to test. I've got the script working on a client site [2]. In Win/FF2 I was able to make use of the script yesterday. Today, with a (verified) clear cache, the page displays, but the sort script doesn't seem to be working. WinIE7 has no issues, nor does WinIE6 (verified on browsercam/remote). Are there known issues with DOM scripts and Win/FF2, or is there something that I as a newbie to JS/DOM have overlooked? TIA for any suggestions or thoughts, ~R [1]http://www.kryogenix.org/code/browser/sorttable/ [2]http://www.cprtools.net/store/headcombs.php *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
On Oct 17, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote: All that would take for a spambot is to do a two-pass: replace all encoded entities, then scan the result for email-address-like patterns. Trivial. Thanks, Patrick - guess I'll abandon that effort... Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Or Golan wrote: Why not simply display the email address as a simple mailto only when the browser is a screen reader? A screen reader attaches to a visual browser as an add-on thus it cannot be detected. It's a shame as that would solve some problems. Text browsers can be detected, but screen readers cannot. Moreover, once that is relied upon it can be spoofed. I created two experimental solutions. [1] One was found out due to browser spoofing and I now get a spam or two each week. [2] My other experiment has proven itself effective thus far, and to the best of my knowledge it is quite accessible. I agree with Patrick that solving the issue on the site isn't the best way, but only to a degree as it leaves two things up in the air. One is a problem for me in that I cannot apply filters because I need to gauge solution effectiveness. The other is exposing my email and filtering on the mail server will still make the email available to harvesters. Harvesters don't just use your email to send you spam, but they also use it as a from or reply-to on spam sent to others. It'll look like it came from you. My personal policy is to never put an email address on the web unless it's written out using plain text so it's understandable to people but not understandable to robots (Send mail to mikecherim at this domain... etc). Most obfuscation techniques I've seen either don't work well or they aren't accessible to all. As far as character encoding doesn't work (using server side tech or JS), though it is accessible. Cheers. Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com/ [1] Somewhat effective but not completely: http://mikecherim.com/experiments/php_hide_email.php [2] So far so good (knock-on-wood): http://mikecherim.com/experiments/php_email_protector.php - Original Message - From: Or Golan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links Why not simply display the email address as a simple mailto only when the browser is a screen reader? On 10/17/07, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17/10/07 (14:16) Patrick said: Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end, not at the web page end, would be my advice. David said: I, long ago, gave up trying. Methods are either highly ineffective, or block out users you want as well as spam bots. I take the view that email addresses are going to end up on spam lists eventually no matter what I do, and just run spam filtering software. So the general consensus would seem to be forgeddabowdit. I wondered if that would be the result, but I'm surprised that there isn't a workaround -- only because almost everything else that I thought would be impossible some clever person has found a way to do. To join with Andrew Maben, however, I'd be curious to know whether spambots decode encoded entity text, eg: 'user' becomes '#117;#115;#101;#114;' (ignore quote marks). I assume that they can read them perfectly easily -- browsers can, after all -- but it'd be good to know for sure. Same question for screen readers. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
On 17/10/07 (16:20) Patrick said: Screen readers run on top of normal browsers like IE of Firefox Ah, I did *not* know that -- I thought that they were a sort of self- contained browser themselves. Thanks for that heads-up. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Site check requested
Hi; I'm recreating a table-based site that I did a few years back, rebuilding it (hopefully) to web standards and making it as accessible as I can. Currently it's one static page and the links largely don't go anywhere, but I would appreciate feedback from the list before I proceed with more pages. http://sandbox.sharkattack.co.uk/novaRebuild/working.html It's really my first stab at a semantic markup, fully-CSS, accessible site; it's also my first ever attempt at an elastic layout, so be merciful. Many thanks! -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] intranet benchmarking quiz
plasmo wrote: Hi, I am currently reviewing an area of an intranet, and getting a lot of anecdotal comments such as all the intranets I've ever seen worked like this. To deal with this somewhat, I am taking a short quiz of people's experiences with their current intranets. If anyone here can help, replies would be most appreciated. Kind regards, Vanessa Toholka QUESTIONS: 1. Does your company have a single overarching intranet, which is the first point that everyone goes to, with sub sections for various groups OR do you have a separate site for each section or group within the company? 2. Is your intranet built on a standard set of templates reflected across divisions, or are your sub sites or various intranets very different? 3. If a new service/resource was being launched in your organisation would the announcement be made via email or via the intranet? 4. Do you utilise any collaboration tools. (discussion boards, wikis, blogs etc?) If so do they enjoy a good level of user activity and participation? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** 1) Overarching intranet. I am currently redoing ours from scratch and it'll be the central point for anything else web-based for our company. 2) At the moment they are different, but we'll probably have some common elements (most likely the header and horizontal menu). 3) Via intranet. We rarely email each other. 4) We currently use a forum (discussion board) and we get everyone participating, though it took a bit of coaxing to get them started using it. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] intranet benchmarking quiz
plasmo wrote: To deal with this somewhat, I am taking a short quiz of people's experiences with their current intranets. Though I'm a self-employed consultant now, I've been involved with a number of intranets dating back to one of the first (1994) cited here: http://www.useit.com/papers/sunweb/ QUESTIONS: 1. Does your company have a single overarching intranet, which is the first point that everyone goes to, with sub sections for various groups OR do you have a separate site for each section or group within the company? I've never seen anyplace that didn't combine both of these -- there are always organizations that decide they're not satisfied with the official centralized setup, and the barrier to entry is so low. 2. Is your intranet built on a standard set of templates reflected across divisions, or are your sub sites or various intranets very different? Again, every intranet has had a range of consistency. It probably depends on where your corporate culture falls on the spectrum of control vs. freedom; companies here in Silicon Valley tend to be tolerant of experimentation. 3. If a new service/resource was being launched in your organisation would the announcement be made via email or via the intranet? Email, definitely. 4. Do you utilise any collaboration tools. (discussion boards, wikis, blogs etc?) Collaboration tools have not gotten any traction in the companies I've worked with; people collaborate via email (or phone, or just walking over to talk to someone). I suspect part of the problem is cultural (send me mail is just an automatic response to conclude a conversation, email's push information model suits the reactive interrupt-driven mode most people work in) and part is technological: current collaboration tools lack hooks into desktop address books, calendars, etc. And of course there's I'm too busy to learn anything new to deal with -- understandably difficult to combat when the problem that these new tools are solving isn't apparent to the user. :-) FWIW! -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] javascript/DOM scripting in cross-browser-land [UPDATE]
Ray Leventhal wrote: Hi all, I've been lurking on this list for a bit and am now sending my first post/question. Having been looking for a client-side solution to sorting tabular data, I came upon a phenomenal script by Stuart Langridge called 'sorttable' [1]. Easy to implement, seemingly stable in all Win/6+ browsers and those on Mac/Linux with which I was able to test. I've got the script working on a client site [2]. In Win/FF2 I was able to make use of the script yesterday. Today, with a (verified) clear cache, the page displays, but the sort script doesn't seem to be working. WinIE7 has no issues, nor does WinIE6 (verified on browsercam/remote). Are there known issues with DOM scripts and Win/FF2, or is there something that I as a newbie to JS/DOM have overlooked? TIA for any suggestions or thoughts, ~R [1]http://www.kryogenix.org/code/browser/sorttable/ [2]http://www.cprtools.net/store/headcombs.php A colleague was listening to me talk about this issue and with his help I've narrowed down the timing as to when the script seemingly stops functioning. If I browse directly to the page, all's well. Then, if I follow a hyperlink (any of the information icons in the right column will do), and then click a link on the resulting page (Click Here for drives we've used with our headcombs), the script seems to stop functioning. Verified behavior in FF/IE/Safari, all on Windows. So, the question then becomes, is there an accessible and standards-valid way to make the script continue to execute? TIA, ~Ray *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] javascript/DOM scripting in cross-browser-land [UPDATE]
On 17 Oct 2007, at 17:29, Ray Leventhal wrote: Are there known issues with DOM scripts and Win/FF2, or is there something that I as a newbie to JS/DOM have overlooked? So, the question then becomes, is there an accessible and standards-valid way to make the script continue to execute? Not sure when Mr Langridge last updated that script, but as a general rule FF on Win is extremely reliable - and so is Stu :-) The easiest way to debug a script on Firefox is to install the Firebug extension. If there's an error it will appear in the console; the link to the script source file and line number will put you at the place that the error occurred. You can set a breakpoint there and that allows you to see what value variables have, etc. HTH, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] javascript/DOM scripting in cross-browser-land
[2] seems to sort just fine for me in FF2win. Just to muddy your waters. -- E. Michael Brandt www.divaHTML.com divaPOP : standards-compliant popup windows divaGPS : you-are-here menu highlighting divaFAQ : FAQ pages with pizazz www.valleywebdesigns.com/vwd_Vdw.asp JustSo PictureWindow JustSo PhotoAlbum, et alia -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] javascript/DOM scripting in cross-browser-land [UPDATE]
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: On 17 Oct 2007, at 17:29, Ray Leventhal wrote: Are there known issues with DOM scripts and Win/FF2, or is there something that I as a newbie to JS/DOM have overlooked? So, the question then becomes, is there an accessible and standards-valid way to make the script continue to execute? Not sure when Mr Langridge last updated that script, but as a general rule FF on Win is extremely reliable - and so is Stu :-) The easiest way to debug a script on Firefox is to install the Firebug extension. If there's an error it will appear in the console; the link to the script source file and line number will put you at the place that the error occurred. You can set a breakpoint there and that allows you to see what value variables have, etc. HTH, Nick. Thanks, Nick. I do have Firebug and will attempt to use it :) Kind regards, ~Ray *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] javascript/DOM scripting in cross-browser-land
E Michael Brandt wrote: [2] seems to sort just fine for me in FF2win. Just to muddy your waters. Hi Michael, Yes, it works fine until one browses away and then back to it (not 'back', but to the specific URI). At that point, for me at least, the columns aren't sortable. Again, it may well be user error on my part. Thanks for checking :) Kind regards, ~Ray *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site check requested :: Lecoat
Rick Lecoat wrote: Hi; I'm recreating a table-based site that I did a few years back, rebuilding it (hopefully) to web standards and making it as accessible as I can. Currently it's one static page and the links largely don't go anywhere, but I would appreciate feedback from the list before I proceed with more pages. http://sandbox.sharkattack.co.uk/novaRebuild/working.html It's really my first stab at a semantic markup, fully-CSS, accessible site; it's also my first ever attempt at an elastic layout, so be merciful. Many thanks! No offense intended. Always a good idea to do a little /brutal/ power testing (and most of the time, if not all the time, I am not able to live up to my own expectations): Left column float drop IE6.0 text-size largest in accessibility mode in IE6.0; and, unusable in IE7.0 text-size largest in accessibility mode. Header and top-navigation disappear under chrome at min font-size 24 in Firefox/Mac in a short window. Some say jump links are not necessary if the primary content is followed by the secondary content, is followed by the navigation... And so on... Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] javascript/DOM scripting in cross-browser-land [UPDATE]
I am indeed able to reproduce the problem following your steps. FF2/win reports a syntax error with line 1, the DTD. I'll be real interested to see the explanation that someone comes up with. Won't be me though! Sorry. -- E. Michael Brandt www.divaHTML.com divaPOP : standards-compliant popup windows divaGPS : you-are-here menu highlighting divaFAQ : FAQ pages with pizazz www.valleywebdesigns.com/vwd_Vdw.asp JustSo PictureWindow JustSo PhotoAlbum, et alia -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
On 17 Oct 2007, at 13:47, Chris Knowles wrote:
Nick Fitzsimons wrote:
Word boundaries aren't right either; for exmple, they will match a
hyphen, so matching on some-thing will match some-thing-else. As per the
HTML spec, class names are space-separated, so you need to match on
spaces and the beginning or end of the string.
of course, class names are separated by whitespace so hopefully this is
it...
var re = new RegExp('\\s' + className + '\\s');
Nope, that won't match thing to thing, only to thing - you need
to check for the start or end of the string as well as a space :-)
HTH,
Nick.
sorry Nick, as stated in your previous post, whitespace and end of lines.
This should cover the 4 possiblities:
thing
thing
thing
thing
var re = new RegExp((^|\\s) + className + (\\s|$))
or better still, use this get elements by class function you mentioned
then process the elements:
http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/11/07/the-ultimate-getelementsbyclassname/
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RE: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
Thanks for your help Nick, and all the others who helped me with this. This demo file is a rush job, done at a distance - the flash designer is a relative of the client and lives in China, and doesn't understand any English. Makes it difficult. So there are a number of design issues on this site I just accept and try to make the best of it - making it work as well as I can. The client himself has a very clear ides of what he wants, and generally is pretty right about it, but my role is basically to just make it work, rather than provide design advice. There are quite a few things I'd do differently if I had my druthers. I inherited quite a lot of code issues too when I took over the site, and bit by bit I'm rebuilding the site and modernising the code. But like most sites, the client isn't going to rebuild the site that's working. Not as well as it might perhaps, but it's working. Thanks for your help everyone. As always this list has proved knowledgeable and helpful. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com http://afpwebworks.com/ Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Cowie Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2007 8:06 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash Michael No problems with flash and the menu on my Mac OsX 10.4.9 with FF, Safari or Opera Other than issues above, menu typeface is tiny in both FF and Opera, increasing font size to read them does do damage to the menus with FF, still usable though. Flickering is also visible for me with Safari 2.0.4 ps that flash movie took ages to download. should be split into smaller pieces that get called as movie progresses. Nick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
Gday Nate, Thanks for your comments. The reason for using wmode was to fix the problem that existed before. All I wanted was to make sure the dhtml drop down menu came down on top of the flash movie not underneath it. Is that not the best way ? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com http://afpwebworks.com/ Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nate hanna Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2007 12:59 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash Michael, No problems with flash and the menu on my Mac OSX 10.4.10 with FF, and Safari 419.x (Tiger version (not the new beta)). Ditto on the font being too small on the drop-down menu (see the attachment); and with the movie taking too long to download (you may want to either break the movie up into smaller movies or use the bandwidth profile in flash to help you spread out the download across multiple frames ( i.e. download a little up front and then continue the download as needed later so the user doesn't have to wait as long). As for the flickering that people are seeing in Safari... here is a helpful link from Adobe's CSS Advisor: Fixing http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/communityengine/index.cfm?event=showdetailspr oductId=1postId=1801 Safari's wmode flicker. Lastly, what was your reasoning for choosing wmode='transparent' typically you only want to do that if you need to reveal something behind flash within the HTML. Transparent wmode is NOT supported by Linux and has issues with some Macintosh browsers ( i.e. Safari). If you don't need to reveal anything under flash it's better to use wmode='opaque'. Furthermore, there are accessibility concerns when using wmode (i.e. flash becomes invisible to screen readers when wmode is set; see the following two links: * http://dynamicflash.com/2006/10/flash-accessibility-and-wmode/ * http://justin.everett-church.com/index.php/2006/02/23/wmode-woes/ Best Regards, Nate On 10/17/07, Nick Cowie [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael No problems with flash and the menu on my Mac OsX 10.4.9 with FF, Safari or Opera Other than issues above, menu typeface is tiny in both FF and Opera, increasing font size to read them does do damage to the menus with FF, still usable though. Flickering is also visible for me with Safari 2.0.4 ps that flash movie took ages to download. should be split into smaller pieces that get called as movie progresses. Nick *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Hello list. This is what I use in my Smarty templates:
a href=mailto:{ #email#|escape:hex }
{ #email#|escape:hexentity }
/a
With this, [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes:
a href=mailto:%6d%65%40%6d%65%2e%63%6f%6d;
#x6d;#x65;#x40;#x6d;#x65;#x2e;#x63;#x6f;#x6d;
/a
It's not foolproof, but my customers are generally happy with the result.
This other trick I haven't tried yet, but sure sounds good to me:
http://www.htaccesselite.com/htaccess/use-htaccess-to-hide-mailto-links-vt181.html
I posted about this on the WebAIM list back in February and nobody seems
to have found objections to it, accessibility-wise.
djn
Rick Lecoat wrote:
can anyone tell me what is the best accessible way (if any) of encoding
a mailto: link? I want to make the email addresses on a site usable to
screen reader users, but don't want them harvested by spambots.
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Re: [WSG] How to make DHML cover flash
The reason for using wmode was to fix the problem that existed before. All I wanted was to make sure the dhtml drop down menu came down on top of the flash movie not underneath it. Is that not the best way ? I believe he's referring more to your use of wmode = transparent (rather than the more suitable opaque). Setting the wmode at all will fix the issue you were experiencing, and transparent wmode isn't adding anything to your Flash (transparent is supposed to allow a Flash movie to show the HTML background underneath it). Kit *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
My pet hate is people forcing pdfs to open in browser windows with javascript! A plain old ordinary link at least lets you right click and download - some of us hate having the browser locked up for ages locked up waiting for the slow pdf plugin to load. I think anything that takes more than a few seconds to load should NEVER be used as a browser plugin ... its just too annoying.. Maybe one day browsers might load plugins as seperate processes so that they can be killed if they take too long to load ... ...? well I can hope for this... :-) because there will always be someone out there inconsiderate enough force such a plugin to be used! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
This technique (as well as almost all others in this thread) is/has been cracked by virtually every spam harvester. Security by obfuscation is no security at all. Just put in straightforward mailto: links pointing to a designated email address. Then help your customers get a good spam filter program. No screen reader problems, no uninstalled javascript problems, etc. It just works. KISS. From: Dejan Kozina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links With this, [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes: a href=mailto:%6d%65%40%6d%65%2e%63%6f%6d; #x6d;#x65;#x40;#x6d;#x65;#x2e;#x63;#x6f;#x6d; /a It's not foolproof, but my customers are generally happy with the result. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
On 10/17/07, Rick Lecoat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, can anyone tell me what is the best accessible way (if any) of encoding a mailto: link? I want to make the email addresses on a site usable to screen reader users, but don't want them harvested by spambots. Hi Rick, You might be interested in an experiment I ran that compared a few techniques for protecting one's email address from harvesting bots. The short answer: entity references worked very well and do not need Javascript to work. I am not an accessibility guru so I can't say how friendly that is to screen readers and the like, but I reckon you have plenty of people on this list who can inform you on that score. http://NikitaTheSpider.com/articles/IngenReklamTack.html Hope this helps -- Philip http://NikitaTheSpider.com/ Whole-site HTML validation, link checking and more *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Offline Accessible Chat Room and CMS Software
Hi. doing a couple of web projects for a couple of subjects doing in my web design course. one of the pages, needs either to link to a chat room, and need an offline version, so that i can install it locally on my flash drive, and then link it to my local files and folders and able to load the page locally. do you know of any off line cms and chat room software? need to display this as part of my page for the 2 websites for my project, as for the next 21 days from october 21 to november 12. can any one help? did post this on the cms list. but need an answer by friday, or else, will have to wait till i come back from vacation, as going to Tasmania on the boat to visit friends, with my parents. if you can help, let me know asap. i hope this post is on topic. cheers Marvin.Visit My Home Page At: http://startrekcafe.stevesdomain.netVisit My Jaws Australia Group At: http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz _ New music from the Rogue Traders - listen now! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=clickclientID=832referral=hotmailtaglineOct07URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] introducing a prompt to download or open a pdf
By including an icon (and a title attribute) that indicates that the pdf will open in a new window, the knowledgeable user can easily right click if she wishes to override and take some other action. That's how divaPOP works. This seems to me to be the best of both worlds: novices will see the pdf in a new window so closing that window will not lose the site, and savvy users can right-click just as they would if the link were not scripted to open in a popup. Seems good to me. -- E. Michael Brandt www.divaHTML.com divaPOP : standards-compliant popup windows divaGPS : you-are-here menu highlighting divaFAQ : FAQ pages with pizazz www.valleywebdesigns.com/vwd_Vdw.asp JustSo PictureWindow JustSo PhotoAlbum, et alia -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Offline Accessible Chat Room and CMS Software
Offline CMS and chat room software? Rather than looking for something like that, why don't you setup a local server (e.g Apache) and install CMS systems + chat rooms on it? That way you'll have it 'locally' Cheers. On 10/18/07, marvin hunkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. doing a couple of web projects for a couple of subjects doing in my web design course. one of the pages, needs either to link to a chat room, and need an offline version, so that i can install it locally on my flash drive, and then link it to my local files and folders and able to load the page locally. do you know of any off line cms and chat room software? need to display this as part of my page for the 2 websites for my project, as for the next 21 days from october 21 to november 12. can any one help? did post this on the cms list. but need an answer by friday, or else, will have to wait till i come back from vacation, as going to Tasmania on the boat to visit friends, with my parents. if you can help, let me know asap. i hope this post is on topic. cheers Marvin. Visit My Home Page At: http://startrekcafe.stevesdomain.net Visit My Jaws Australia Group At: http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/JawsOz -- Listen now! New music from the Rogue Traders.http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=clickclientID=832referral=hotmailtaglineOct07URL=http://music.ninemsn.com.au/roguetraders *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Fix your spam issues at the mail server + mail client end, not at the web page end, would be my advice. not a solution ... we all know how hard it is for any filtering software to determine whether something is spam or not... ...and any machine-readable version of an email address on a page could unfortunately also potentially be read by harvesters. my approach is usually not to put the email address on there and instead provide a contact form, but even that has its problems nowdays as there are an increasing number of spambots out there that post to forms! (and I hate captchas!) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Encoded mailto links
Why not simply display the email address as a simple mailto only when the browser is a screen reader? If you mean by CSS (display: none -- or similar -- for aural media types), I'm not sure that would work because AFAIk spambots just look through the source code of the page for mailto links. The fact that the text is hidden when it gets to the browser is neither here nor there, surely? most spambots don't look at css or javascript If you are talking about actually hiding markup from certain agent types, I'd certainly like to know your method. Is there anything in agent strings (or any other header sent to the server) for any commonly used screenreaders? I'd love to know! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
