[WSG] Cannot go back
Hi, I use an internal web application that someone else coded. Once I have navigated to URL for this web app (from whenever I was) I can never go back to where I came from...which is very frustrating. The developers of the web app say that the back button processing has been overridden and it is not possible to go back to the place the user was before they entered the web app. Is there no standard way to prevent the back button from really going back...but provide some mechanism (a different button/link on the page) to allow the user to go back to where they were before the app started? Oh..and Happy New Year. Cheers, Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Cannot go back
There are a couple of ways of putting links on your page which mimic the back button that I know of. One is by using JavaScript, history.back() is what you will want to use. If you don't want to use JavaScript it is possible through code, well with .Net at least. You can easily access the UrlRefferer which gives you the full URL of the previous page. I hope this helps Jamie. On 17/01/2008, Simon Cockayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I use an internal web application that someone else coded. Once I have navigated to URL for this web app (from whenever I was) I can never go back to where I came from...which is very frustrating. The developers of the web app say that the back button processing has been overridden and it is not possible to go back to the place the user was before they entered the web app. Is there no standard way to prevent the back button from really going back...but provide some mechanism (a different button/link on the page) to allow the user to go back to where they were before the app started? Oh..and Happy New Year. Cheers, Simon *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Cannot go back
On Jan 17, 2008, at 5:11 AM, Jamie Stewart wrote: One is by using JavaScript, history.back() is what you will want to use. If you don't want to use JavaScript it is possible through code, well with .Net at least. You can easily access the UrlRefferer which gives you the full URL of the previous page. Of course, disabling the browser back button is evil and unnecessary... The JS solution might work, but the question is how far back in the history one must go to escape the clutches of the evil app. In my day job, the library's web site offers patrons access to various subscription databases - the user authenticates with a valid library card number on our site and is then passed forward to the database site. (Oh yes, and the back button does work). Almost daily we get complaints from patrons that the authentication doesn't work for them. In almost every instance we find they have Norton Internet Security installed. By default Norton suppresses referring URLs. This is a hugely popular app that most users install and never even look at the settings. So neither of these solutions will be 100% reliable. I'm probably a bit of an extremist, but I'm probably not alone - if I visit a site that tries to keep me imprisoned like this, I close the browser window and *never* return. No site is so compelling and so unique as to require that I (or any other user) put up with this abuse. Can you ask the developers why and how they created this dysfunctionality? My guess is that there's some kind of preprocessing that goes on before allowing the user into the site itself, and the back button takes the user back to that page, which bumps them forward again. There is no technical constraint that requires this behavior. I seem to recall some wisdom from the 90s that proclaimed the desirability of keeping users on your site at all costs, but that has long since been discounted. But if there really is some compelling non-technical reason for not allowing users to escape back the way they came, then I'd suggest that this is a case where opening a new window would be justifiable. Andrew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?
Hello, I've been trying to decide which is more semantically correct for an FAQ, either 2 paragraph (one for the question, one for the answer), a single paragraph (with spans for formating), or a definition list. I think the definition list is probably the most appropriate, but at the same time you can't really call an FAQ a list of definitions, so I'm not really sure. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks. -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?
Hello Christian, I've been trying to decide which is more semantically correct for an FAQ [...] definition list is probably the most appropriate My vote is in favor of a DL. I feel it is absolutely the most appropriate element to use in such a case. Cheers. Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com Join Accessible Web Developers on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7010678585 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?
On Jan 17, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Christian Snodgrass wrote: Hello, I've been trying to decide which is more semantically correct for an FAQ, either 2 paragraph (one for the question, one for the answer), a single paragraph (with spans for formating), or a definition list. I think the definition list is probably the most appropriate, but at the same time you can't really call an FAQ a list of definitions, so I'm not really sure. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks. When I setup my FAQ's for my website, I put them in ordered lists... But I didn't know much about semantics at that point, but to me it still seems to fit good :) -- Jason Pruim Raoset Inc. Technology Manager MQC Specialist 3251 132nd ave Holland, MI, 49424 www.raoset.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?
Thanks everyone for the replies. I think I will go with a definition list, which is what I was leaning towards in the first place. Thierry Koblentz wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Snodgrass Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:02 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ? Hello, I've been trying to decide which is more semantically correct for an FAQ, either 2 paragraph (one for the question, one for the answer), a single paragraph (with spans for formating), or a definition list. I think the definition list is probably the most appropriate, but at the same time you can't really call an FAQ a list of definitions, so I'm not http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 Definition lists vary only slightly from other types of lists in that list items consist of two parts: a term and a description. Note that in the above paragraph they use the term description rather than definition. You may also want to read the thread semantic list with explanation from last week. As it discusses an issue specific to DLs And this in case you plan to make the Qs toggle (on/off) the As: plughttp://tjkdesign.com/articles/toggle_elements.asp/plug -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?
When he designed divaFAQ, Thierry Koblentz felt that DLs were the best way to go for FAQs. E. Michael Brandt www.divahtml.com/products/scripts_dreamweaver_extensions.php Standards-compliant scripts and Dreamweaver Extensions -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Definition List appropriate for FAQ?
Hi, Personally, I'd use heading's for the questions and paragraphs for the answers but that's down to my own preference and have seen it done a variety of ways. Cheers Dave - - - - - - - - http://www.dave-woods.co.uk On 17/01/2008, Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Christian, I've been trying to decide which is more semantically correct for an FAQ [...] definition list is probably the most appropriate My vote is in favor of a DL. I feel it is absolutely the most appropriate element to use in such a case. Cheers. Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com Join Accessible Web Developers on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7010678585 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] HTML5 Working Draft
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[WSG] HTML5 Working Draft
Latest iterations: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/html5/ http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/ Input/Participation is needed - don't miss these opportunities to have your say. James Pickering Pickering Pages http://jp29.org/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Ideas for Corporate Presentation on Web Standards and Semantic Web
At 12:23 AM +0530 1/18/08, varun krishnan wrote: Hi All, I work for a company where there are about 1000 employees and We are mainly into Web Development. Im taking a presentation on Web Standards and the Semantic Web next week and I want make sure that I put across some really valuable info. Im a web developer and give a lot of importance to web standards. can any one you help me with wat i can talk about ? Hi Varun, You may want to mention that web standards help insure cross platform compatibility, not just with other desktop computers but also PDA's, cell phones, screen reading software, etc. Good luck on your presentation. -Tim -- Tim Offenstein *** Campus Accessibility Liaison *** (217) 244-2700 CITES Departmental Services *** www.uiuc.edu/goto/offenstein *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Ideas for Corporate Presentation on Web Standards and Semantic Web
I think you may talk about the accessibility issues that semantic and web standards help. You can show what the use of standards can help in the development. 2008/1/17, varun krishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi All, I work for a company where there are about 1000 employees and We are mainly into Web Development. Im taking a presentation on Web Standards and the Semantic Web next week and I want make sure that I put across some really valuable info. Im a web developer and give a lot of importance to web standards. can any one you help me with wat i can talk about ? regards, Varun *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- []'s - Rochester Oliveira http://webbemfeita.com/ Viva a Web-Bem-Feita Web Designer Curitiba - PR - Brasil *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Ideas for Corporate Presentation on Web Standards and Semantic Web
Hi Varun. I'm not sure if you're looking for specific examples or techniques that you'd like to present, or a general overview of why use standards? If it's the latter, I would argue that standards, when used well: * Reduce overall cost of development for cross-browser compatibility * Assist with search engine optimisation (semantic markup, cleaner HTML improve crawlability, source ordering) * Increase performance of websites and applications (through modularisation of re-usable components + reduced page weight via less code required for styling) * Increased maintainability and separation of content visual display (easier to change look feel across site - either tweaks or complete overhauls) * Improved accessibility for visually impaired users and mobile devices There's possibly more, but that's probably a good core set of benefits. I would also suggest that standards by themselves do not ensure these things - I've seen plenty of designers that claim to understand standards producing sub-standard markup, particularly in terms of semantic value. HTH. Grant *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Ideas for Corporate Presentation on Web Standards and Semantic Web
varun krishnan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I work for a company where there are about 1000 employees and We are mainly into Web Development. Im taking a presentation on Web Standards and the Semantic Web next week and I want make sure that I put across some really valuable info. Im a web developer and give a lot of importance to web standards. can any one you help me with wat i can talk about ? Hi Varun. Please feel free to use material from my pages: http://jp29.org/wpointerop.htm (Interoperability) http://jp29.org/wpowca.htm (Web Content Accessibility) In the preparation of your presentation -- if you find it appropriate or useful. James Pickering Pages: http://jp29.org/ All pages with Validated Markup: http://xrl.us/wdgvalid Dublin Core Metadata RDF/XML Validation: http://xrl.us/dcmetadata *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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