Re: [WSG] Why code and no web pag

2008-02-03 Thread Joe Ortenzi
there is one on topic point though: you need to close ALL of your  
your input tags in order for the XHTML to validate.


input type=hidden name=no_shipping value=2
should be :
input type=hidden name=no_shipping value=2 /
(note the space and forward slash at the end)

The basic premise is you always need to close a tag in XHTML, like  
pa paragraph/p. but some tags have no separate end tag, like,  
hr, br and input, so you close the tag internally, with a space  
slash, like so: hr / br / and the input example above.


Hope this helps!

BTW: I notice you posted a comment that you got it working in FF but  
it doesn't work for me here, unless I got the link wrong?


Joe

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I have the following on a Windows Vista Home Premium PC.

http://www.choroideremia.org/events/ 
national_capital_marathon_may2008.php


The code shows in my text editor, however, it will not display in  
IE7 or Firefox. Does someone know why? Everything shows just fine.


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Re: [WSG] Re: Why code and no web pag

2008-02-03 Thread Jixor - Stephen I
Probs shouldn't keep this alive but I'll just quickly point out to 
Christian that the file path may be absolute to the file system, i.e. 
c:/mywebsite/crf_header.php is acceptable. Including with a url will be 
supported on some servers also but of course you'll probably not get 
what you were expecting if you try it on a local php script as it will 
actually open an http connection to the server and give you the script's 
output.


Christian Snodgrass wrote:
This isn't really the place to discuss this as it has nothing to do 
with web standards, but it is because you can't have an include using 
an absolute path, they must all be relative. 
http://www.example.com/page.php is absolute. /page.php is relative.


Hayden's Harness Attachment wrote:

Solved the problem. However, why does;

include ../crf_header.php;

Will work and;

include http://www.choroideremia.org/crf_header.php;

Will not?

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Re: [WSG] running ie7 on my mac??

2008-02-03 Thread Terrence Wood
I perfer fusion over parallels.

Cheapest option to run IE only has got to be
http://www.kronenberg.org/ies4osx/ which is free. I haven't tested it,
so I'm not sure how accurate the rendering is compared to running a
real version of windows.


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  Whats my cheapest option for getting ie7 to run on my intel based mac.
  Is it basically an option between boot camp, parallels or virtual pc?


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Re: [WSG] running ie7 on my mac??

2008-02-03 Thread kevin mcmonagle

it renders the same but the gui is forked.

Terrence Wood wrote:

I perfer fusion over parallels.

Cheapest option to run IE only has got to be
http://www.kronenberg.org/ies4osx/ which is free. I haven't tested it,
so I'm not sure how accurate the rendering is compared to running a
real version of windows.


  

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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-03 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
A further query on the longdesc attribute.

Is there any reason why I couldn¹t use it on a Flash animation? It¹d be a
great solution for a current problem where I¹m trying to update an oldish
website to be more accessible. I¹ve got a Flash animation that¹s a list of
(6) headings, each with 3 options (advantage, disadvantage, strategy) that
are accessed by clicking on an icon (18 in total). I was going to convert it
to a table  but maybe I could leave it as the Flash animation and have a
longdesc link?

Any thoughts?



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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-03 Thread Patrick H. Lauke

Christian Snodgrass wrote:
(Most screen readers don't have Javascript enabled, so this is 
a valid method).


Just wondering if this is based on stats or empirical evidence?

P
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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-03 Thread Christian Snodgrass

Mostly empirical evidence, though I've read it in many reliable sources.

Patrick H. Lauke wrote:

Christian Snodgrass wrote:
(Most screen readers don't have Javascript enabled, so this is a 
valid method).


Just wondering if this is based on stats or empirical evidence?

P



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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-03 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Ah well, for a minute there I got quite excited!! Should have realised I'd
already know about this if it was a real possibility!!

Thanks for all the info ... :)

- susie


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 Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:
 A further query on the longdesc attribute.
 
 Is there any reason why I couldn¹t use it on a Flash animation?
 
 The fact that OBJECT doesn't have a longdesc attribute may be the first
 reason why you couldn't...
 
 http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#h-13.3
 
 Fallback content for OBJECT should be placed within the OBJECT element
 itself.
 
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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-03 Thread Patrick H. Lauke

Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:

A further query on the longdesc attribute.

Is there any reason why I couldn’t use it on a Flash animation?


The fact that OBJECT doesn't have a longdesc attribute may be the first 
reason why you couldn't...


http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#h-13.3

Fallback content for OBJECT should be placed within the OBJECT element 
itself.


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RE: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-03 Thread Steve Green
Such as?

JAWS (which has something like 50% market share) has a high level of
JavaScript support and I believe that the other professional screen readers
(WindowEyes and HAL/SuperNova) also do. Free and cheap screen readers
generally don't have JavaScript support.

In our experience screen reader users do not turn off JavaScript. In fact
they tend to use pretty much all software as it comes out of the box without
any customisation. The one exception is Windows itself, where it is
beneficial to enable Classic mode and make a few other adjustments,
especially in Vista.

Steve


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Subject: Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

Mostly empirical evidence, though I've read it in many reliable sources.

Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
 Christian Snodgrass wrote:
 (Most screen readers don't have Javascript enabled, so this is a 
 valid method).

 Just wondering if this is based on stats or empirical evidence?

 P


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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-03 Thread Christian Snodgrass
Maybe I'm confused. Do they usually have Flash installed? I thought that 
screen readers would default to whatever is suppose to be replaced with 
the Flash when using SWFObject. Maybe it defaults because the Flash 
isn't enabled... Though, I guess that could be wrong as well.


Steve Green wrote:

Such as?

JAWS (which has something like 50% market share) has a high level of
JavaScript support and I believe that the other professional screen readers
(WindowEyes and HAL/SuperNova) also do. Free and cheap screen readers
generally don't have JavaScript support.

In our experience screen reader users do not turn off JavaScript. In fact
they tend to use pretty much all software as it comes out of the box without
any customisation. The one exception is Windows itself, where it is
beneficial to enable Classic mode and make a few other adjustments,
especially in Vista.

Steve


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Sent: 04 February 2008 03:06
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

Mostly empirical evidence, though I've read it in many reliable sources.

Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
  

Christian Snodgrass wrote:

(Most screen readers don't have Javascript enabled, so this is a 
valid method).
  

Just wondering if this is based on stats or empirical evidence?

P




  



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Re: [WSG] long description and its implementation

2008-02-03 Thread Christian Snodgrass

It looks like longdesc is only a valid attribute for images.

You could use Javascript (with something like SWFObject) to place the 
Flash movie. How most work (including SWFObject) is that they actually 
replace another element (usually div) to place the Flash. That means, if 
Javascript isn't enabled, the original contents of the div are left in 
tack. You could put what you would put in a longdesc in this initial 
div, and then replace it with Flash for those that have Javascript 
enabled. (Most screen readers don't have Javascript enabled, so this is 
a valid method).


This is pretty much the standard method for having (almost) accessible 
Flash.


Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:

A further query on the longdesc attribute.

Is there any reason why I couldn’t use it on a Flash animation? It’d 
be a great solution for a current problem where I’m trying to update 
an oldish website to be more accessible. I’ve got a Flash animation 
that’s a list of (6) headings, each with 3 options (advantage, 
disadvantage, strategy) that are accessed by clicking on an icon (18 
in total). I was going to convert it to a table but maybe I could 
leave it as the Flash animation and have a longdesc link?


Any thoughts?

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