RE: [WSG] Should we design for 800x600 screens?

2008-06-10 Thread Matthew Hodgson
what about mobile browsing? the iphone is having quite the impact on mobile computing and designing to 800x600 is going to mean you're likely making information inaccessible and un-usable designing to a screen size is like designing to one browser my advice - 1. profile your users

Re: [WSG] Should we design for 800x600 screens?

2008-06-10 Thread Jason Ray
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Re: [WSG] Structuring CSS

2008-06-10 Thread Anton Babushkin
Interesting to hear. I will do a formal test on our network sometime when I get the chance and report on my findings as well. Out of curiosity, it wasn't an actual physical stop watch was it? Its far less error prone to use something like the Net tab of Firebug or an external plugin like Charles

Re: [WSG] Should we design for 800x600 screens?

2008-06-10 Thread Anton Babushkin
For Mobile Browsing you generally take different approaches altogether, especially for WebKit powered phones (the iPhone and the to come GPhone). This is generally because you will be providing completely different navigational structures and really narrowing down on the most important features.

Re: [WSG] Help setting current menu state on level2 menus

2008-06-10 Thread Susie Gardner-Brown
Thanks Thierry - I'm looking into that too! Just not clear if it will handle more than one level of menu items, waiting to hear back from them. Cheers susie On 10/6/08 2:55 PM, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

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Re: [WSG] Structuring CSS

2008-06-10 Thread Peter Ottery
re - Out of curiosity, it wasn't an actual physical stop watch was it? of course not - it was an abacus! ;-) nah in all seriousness, it was before the time of firebug, and around the time of the birth of this mailing list. yes it was literally a stopwatch - which was enough for me at the time. i

Re: [WSG] Structuring CSS

2008-06-10 Thread James Jeffery
There really needs to be a consistent method of sturucturing CSS personally. If i cram everything onto one file I feel like the structure of the website is not really effective and editing becomes a task. Most the time I will break up the CSS file into a few sections as standard and use Yahoo!'s

Re: [WSG] Structuring CSS

2008-06-10 Thread Michael Persson
James, It depends on the site size and the structure. If you have a huge CSS file for navigation it is of course good to separate it from other styles. I always make form.css for contact pages and form pages, but in general i keep style.css for the rest ad my sites are not so huge,

Re: [WSG] Should we design for 800x600 screens?

2008-06-10 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/06/10 13:28 (GMT+1000) IceKat apparently typed: Should we still bother designing to fit in with 800x600 screen resolutions or is it Ok to just design for 1024x768 and not worry about smaller resolutions? Never should have been designing for either one. To design for any particular

Re: [WSG] Should we design for 800x600 screens?

2008-06-10 Thread Anton Babushkin
Felix, I think the term design for is perhaps a little bit inconsistent in terms of interpretation. Perhaps in this context it was also very badly misinterpreted. When I was referring to design for I was more referring to Accommodate for which in essence is what fluid layouts are all about. To

Re: [WSG] Should we design for 800x600 screens?

2008-06-10 Thread Nick Cowie
I agree with Felix, you have build for your users not for screen resolutions be it 1280x800, 800x480, 392x320, 240x320 (in the top 20 resolutions visiting my work website) and the number of pixels per inch is no longer in the 70 to 100 pixel range, but 70 to 250+ pixel range. So your trusty 280

Re: [WSG] Marking up multiple form inputs

2008-06-10 Thread Darren West
Chris, Please can you provide more information about the form. I would be hesitant in agreeing with a solution that seems to omit the labels for the second form controls. Darren 2008/6/10 Chris Pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Would the following layout be best marked up using a table:

Re: [WSG] Should we design for 800x600 screens?

2008-06-10 Thread Darren West
An alternative could be to develop with relative sizes for all measurements, allowing the interface to be scaled to any screen resolution. Examples can be seen at http://www.linkedin.com and http://www.sky.com *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] Help setting current menu state on level2 menus

2008-06-10 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 10 Jun 2008, at 05:55, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Testing with regular browser-option well beyond what normal users will expose your work to, will save you from having to deal with user-introduced problems later on. On a related note (testing in IE win), I try and remember when doing my

Re: [WSG] Should we design for 800x600 screens?

2008-06-10 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Darren West wrote: An alternative could be to develop with relative sizes for all measurements, allowing the interface to be scaled to any screen resolution. Examples can be seen at http://www.linkedin.com and http://www.sky.com Dysfunctional examples, but they clearly show what many mean by

[WSG] animated gif not animating...

2008-06-10 Thread Naveen_Bhaskar
HI, I have an ajax call in my page and while loading I am showing an animated loading gif animation. Sometimes In IE the animated gif is not animating. Anybody knows why? Thanks a ton in advance.. Thanking you Naveen Bhaskar

Re: [WSG] animated gif not animating...

2008-06-10 Thread Jonathan D'mello
I've seen this happen before on loading images. Never bothered about it much as it was an IE specific problem. Jonathan On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, I have an ajax call in my page and while loading I am showing an animated loading gif animation. Sometimes

Re[2]: [WSG] animated gif not animating...

2008-06-10 Thread k . voronin
Hi, Jonathan http://www.west-wind.com/WebLog/posts/1227.aspx hope that helps! WBR, Kirill I've seen this happen before on loading images. Never bothered about it much as it was an IE specific problem. Jonathan On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, I have an

[WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-10 Thread Michael Persson
HI people, I have tried to not use transparency for years as it is not working IE6 properly. I have not a situation where i need it and there is no way out, I have tried some tricks and there are some that works half way to the full solution. There is a solution with a js file called htc

Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6?? Screen Resolution

2008-06-10 Thread IceKat
Hey, I recently looked this up for someone else. I've found this link (below) to work well for regular images but don't seem to do much for background images pulled in with CSS. However having said that I've used this script without much trouble for quite a while. As for the 800x600 thread.

Re: [WSG] animated gif not animating...

2008-06-10 Thread Robert O'Rourke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, I have an ajax call in my page and while loading I am showing an animated loading gif animation. Sometimes In IE the animated gif is not animating. Anybody knows why? Thanks a ton in advance.. Thanking you *Naveen Bhaskar * Can you provide a

Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-10 Thread Andrew McGrath
theres no clean solution that i'm aware of...but this is a common issue, so i'm certain there is plenty of tips and tricks out there to help you get around the problem you are faced with. http://24ways.org/2007/supersleight-transparent-png-in-ie6 the above link provides some /interesting/ info,

Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6?? Screen Resolution

2008-06-10 Thread Stewart Griffiths
There is a way to produce portable network graphics (png's) so that they render correctly across all browsers without the need to employ complicated hacks and ie filter-based solutionshttp://www.w3.org/TR/PNG-DataRep.html#DR.Alpha-channelor heavy javascript files, such as the twin

Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6?? Screen Resolution

2008-06-10 Thread Michael Persson
I need a function of a link that one KNOWS is working... Michael IceKat wrote: Hey, I recently looked this up for someone else. I've found this link (below) to work well for regular images but don't seem to do much for background images pulled in with CSS. However having said that I've

Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-10 Thread Christian Fagan
Hi there Michael, Had the same problem a while back and, while I can't give you the exact line of code that makes it work, the paragraph on this page seems to display properly in IE6 (as well as all other major browsers): http://www.meccompany.com.au/aboutUs.php I think it has something to

Re: [WSG] Should we design for 800x600 screens?

2008-06-10 Thread Felix Miata
On 2008/06/10 12:20 (GMT+0200) Gunlaug Sørtun apparently typed: ... Since all browsers can also resize fonts (one way or another) independent of page zoom, relative sizes risk creating even more problems when both font resizing and page zoom are used. The latest mobile browsers also

Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6?? Screen Resolution

2008-06-10 Thread Sergey Kushniruk
I use this: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/ On Jun 10, 2008, at 15:52, Michael Persson wrote: I need a function of a link that one KNOWS is working... Michael IceKat wrote: Hey, I recently looked this up for someone else. I've found this link (below) to work well for regular

[WSG] Margin Trapping

2008-06-10 Thread Chris Kennon
The navigation list on the following http://working.bushidodeep.com/ spring_2008/template.html only stays at top when the following rule is in place: div#container{width: 100%; border: 1px solid transparent;} is this due to margin trapping, or some conjured anomaly with my floats? Chris

RE: [WSG] transparency, png IE6 ??

2008-06-10 Thread Simon
I've used superslieight to great success. You see a moment of grey border as the page loads in IE6 but after that it renders fine. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew McGrath Sent: 10 June 2008 13:37 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG]

Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6?? Screen Resolution

2008-06-10 Thread cf
Here you are Michael: http://www.meccompany.com.au/aboutUs.php Don't ask me how but it works Quoting Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I need a function of a link that one KNOWS is working... Michael IceKat wrote: Hey, I recently looked this up for someone else. I've found this

RE: [WSG] Marking up multiple form inputs

2008-06-10 Thread Miles Menegon
Use fieldset, legend, label, input and CSS. Make sure each input has a label. I would suggest checking your form with the WAVE toolbar for accessibility (http://wave.webaim.org/) M From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Ray Sent:

Re: [WSG] Reset CSS

2008-06-10 Thread Joseph Taylor
The reset.css (in the form you mention) first came about from css developers who set the same defaults again and again as they made sites. They obviously realized they repeated themselves and eventually created a separate stylesheet to handle that. I did this myself (I chose the name

Re: [WSG] Marking up multiple form inputs

2008-06-10 Thread Dani Iswara
Try ATRC Web Accessibility Checker (http://checker.atrc.utoronto.ca/) you can select multiple standard of accessbility: - BITV 1.0 level 2 (Germany standard) - Section 508 (US standard) - Stanca act (Italy standard) - WCAG 1.0 (A, AA, AAA) - WCAG 2.0 (L1, L2, L3) and they have

RE: [WSG] Reset CSS

2008-06-10 Thread Jens-Uwe Korff
Wondering what your thoughts are on whether to use a 'reset' framework for CSS I wouldn't label it a framework since it's effectively just a single, simple style sheet. For me it's benefits are * one initial place to reset margins, paddings (saves me from doing this over and over again

Re: [WSG] Should we design for 800x600 screens?

2008-06-10 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:28:18 +1000, IceKat wrote: Hi, I have a question I'd like to poll people about. Should we still bother designing to fit in with 800x600 screen resolutions or is it Ok to just design for 1024x768 and not worry about smaller resolutions? I know applications like