Re: [WSG] Chrome and Safari

2008-10-16 Thread Ben Buchanan
Seeing as though Google's new Chrome browser uses the same rendering engine as Apple's Safari, would it be acceptable to test browser layout issues in Chrome and assume the same CSS solutions apply in Safari? Does anyone know of any distinct differences in CSS rendering between the 2 browsers?

Re: [WSG] Browser loading images issue

2008-10-16 Thread kate
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Re: [WSG] Chrome and Safari

2008-10-16 Thread Johan Douma
Not only JS, there are differences in CSS as well. Shadows appear, but kinda buggy, not as it should. text-shadow and box-shadow. The rounded borders are not antialiased (as in aliased or pixelated) in Chrome whereas FF3 and Safari handle it correctly. And font-face doesn't work at all, whereas

[WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread ox4dboy
I am looking for feedback on two questions, based on the simple form snippet below. fieldset legendbPersonal Details/b/legend label for=nameName:/label input id=name type=text name=name size=30 br label for=idID Number:/label input id=id type=text name=id number size=10 /fieldset

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread David Dorward
Jason Grant wrote: Ok you got both of these quite wrong for following reasons: In the first instance you shouldn't use b or br / at all. In the second instance you should not wrap input into label as the label should quite clearly be used for denoting a label of an input field and not the

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Johan Douma
I've always used label arount input fields labeltext: input type=text //label without the for= attribute. I've never had problems with it, and I don't think I've ever seen any recommendation against it. Johan Douma [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008/10/16 David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Grant

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Jason Grant
This is the first time for me to see someone proposing use of labelinput //label structure.I agree that ol is not strictly necessary and that a form is not necessarily a list, but one could argue that you are dealing with a list of form input elements. Read more why I do this here:

RE: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Tatham Oddie
Johan – what you are describing is the correct usage in that scenario. Thanks, Tatham Oddie callto:+61414275989 call:+61414275989, callto:+61280113982 call:+61280113982, skype:tathamoddie?call skype:tathamoddie, msnim:[EMAIL PROTECTED] msn:[EMAIL PROTECTED],

[WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-16 Thread Charles Ling
Hi Guys/Gals, I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future? According to this blog : http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction . I found that alot of media website started to replace

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Johan Douma wrote: I've always used label arount input fields labeltext: input type=text //label without the for= attribute. I've never had problems with it, and I don't think I've ever seen any recommendation against it. There's a discussion about some problems with that pattern at:

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-16 Thread Christian Montoya
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Charles Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys/Gals, I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future? According to this blog :

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-16 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Charles Ling wrote: I would like to get some opinion from you all, that would Flash 10 or ++ will replace JavaScript in the future? According to this blog : http://ajaxian.com/archives/flash-10-and-the-bad-news-for-javascript-interaction. I'm not entirely sure Christian's right that Flash 10

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-16 Thread Breton Slivka
Read the story on that page carefully. What has happened is that flash 10 has increased restrictions over what features within the flash plugin can be invoked via javascript. This only applies to one specific feature (file uploads), and effects virtually no other flash features. It does not effect

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Svip
2008/10/16 David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jason Grant wrote: Ok you got both of these quite wrong for following reasons: In the first instance you shouldn't use b or br / at all. In the second instance you should not wrap input into label as the label should quite clearly be used for

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Jason Grant
Ok you got both of these quite wrong for following reasons: In the first instance you shouldn't use b or br / at all. In the second instance you should not wrap input into label as the label should quite clearly be used for denoting a label of an input field and not the input field itself. Using a

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hi Ben, I've always used label arount input fields [...] I don't think I've ever seen any recommendation against it. Here's one for you: http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=254 I haven't been paying attention to this, and someone's probably already said it (if so, sorry), but it's also worth

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread David Dorward
Johan Douma wrote: I've always used label arount input fields labeltext: input type=text //label without the for= attribute. I've never had problems with it, and I don't think I've ever seen any recommendation against it. Support is weaker then for the for attribute, so I would avoid it. It

RE: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread Rachel Radford
I understand where you’re coming from because for some designs the legend isn’t easy to style consistently cross-browser, and so sometimes I have used a heading instead. However if possible, using the legend is much better. I also used to wrap form inputs in labels for the same reason as

Re: [WSG] Chrome and Safari

2008-10-16 Thread David Hucklesby
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:49:59 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Seeing as though Google's new Chrome browser uses the same rendering engine as Apple's Safari, would it be acceptable to test browser layout issues in Chrome and assume the same CSS solutions apply in Safari? Does anyone

Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend

2008-10-16 Thread ox4dboy
Thank you everyone for your replies. So it seems the trusty old traditional filedset llegendContact Information/legend label for=nameName/labelbr / input id=name type=text /fieldset is the way to go to keep all browsers and screen readers happy. I think I can likely lose the br / and

Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

2008-10-16 Thread Johan Douma
I don't see flash becoming a dominant technology in the future. It's definitly not going to replace javascript. It wouldn't actually surprise me if it is going to die off really slowly... Only to be used in really specific cases. Flash gets used a lot today because the flash video codec is good