[WSG] Marking up news
EBS Logo http://www.essentialebizsolutions.net/_inc/images/logo.gif Call us on 0800 327 7935 http://www.essentialebizsolutions.net/_inc/images/number.png Hi Everyone, I'm making a news plugin but I'm un-sure what the best/most accesible way is to mark it up? Should I use ul liNews Heading/li liNews Content/li liNews Date/li /ul or dl dtNews Heading/dt ddNews Date/dd ddNews Content/dd /dl Many thanks Essential eBiz Solutions 0800 327 7935 http://www.essentialebizsolutions.net www.essentialebizsolutions.net Disclaimer: The contents and any attachments of this email message may be privileged and confidential and intended only for the named addressees. Any unauthorised use, dissemination or copying of the information is strictly prohibited. If you are not the addressee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete this message. Unless stated to the contrary, any views opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and may not necessarily reflect views or policies of Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd. Although this e-mail and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus, or other defect which might affect any computer or system into which they are received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to scan the email and attachments to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by EBS for any loss or damage from receipt or use thereof. Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd: 92 Stanton Road, Meir, Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire ST3 6DF. Registered with Companies House: 5720784. VAT Registered: GB 943039037 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***logo.gifnumber.png
Re: [WSG] Marking up news
I'd suggest this as well, normally. However, it seems like how this is going to be used is to provide a list of news articles, and since it's a list it makes sense to use a list element for it's markup. At least that's what I inferred from the initial examples. Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: Hi Essential, I'm making a news plugin but I'm un-sure what the best/most accesible way is to mark it up? I'd suggest neither. I'd recommend something more conventional such as: h1Our News/h1 pThe following are our latest news articles:/p h2News Heading/h2 p class=smaller-textNews Date/p pNews content/p Not as fancy, but I believe this is a simple, semantic, and accessible method. Respectfully, Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- Christian Snodgrass CEO - Azure Ronin http://www.arwebdesign.net http://www.htmlblox.com Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up news
i would not suggest to use h1 for our news cause what benefit I agree. That was just for demonstration purposes... I would certainly suggest using whatever heading would be appropriate and semantic. I didn't have that info so I created a new document and dropped the news in just so I could show the markup. Respectfully, Mike Cherim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Marking up news
Hi, it is going to be a list of news events and will hopefully when I figure it out print the info to RSS that's why I was thinking of the DL so it's just a list of some events rather that full news? Hope that makes sense -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Mike at Green-Beast.com Sent: 19 February 2009 21:47 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Marking up news i would not suggest to use h1 for our news cause what benefit I agree. That was just for demonstration purposes... I would certainly suggest using whatever heading would be appropriate and semantic. I didn't have that info so I created a new document and dropped the news in just so I could show the markup. Respectfully, Mike Cherim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up news
Kay in t Veen - Gmail wrote: i would not suggest to use h1 for our news cause what benefit would a h1 have on the keywords our news. Think about page structure first, and what search engines think about it second. further a news module is a sub part of your site and never use h1 for that and surely dont use 2 h1's in 1 page. It isn't clear from the original question if this is about a page of news (in which case an h1 would be the right element for the heading that identifies the page as being about news) or some other element (if it was a block which just formed part of other pages). -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up news
Hi Essential, Hi, it is going to be a list of news events and will hopefully when I figure it out print the info to RSS that's why I was thinking of the DL so it's just a list of some events rather that full news? I'm sorry, I guess I don't realy understand what you're after. I mean I understand you want a list, but you also asked for the best markup. You see, naturally I guess I shy away from the list idea to begin with. With the source order and how it's displayed, plus the addendum of a date, naturally forms an order so to speak so I thought the best approach was to make the marking up part as simple as possible. In other words I couldn't think of a reason for a list. That said, if for some reason it _must_ be listed, I guess this would be about as clean as it can be (the span assumes you want the date to be styled differently)... ul li h#Heading/Title/h# pspanThe Date/span - The excerpt/content./p /li li h#Heading/Title/h# pspanThe Date/span - The excerpt/content./p /li /ul ...but again, I don't think this brings anything to the table that would be considered beneficial or more accessible. Albeit these may not be particularly detrimental solutions, I just didn't/don't understand why the list is needed to begin with. I don't really recommend an ordered list because, as said, the date and physical order is enough in this case. And I don't really recommend a DL either because I would assume you'd use the definition title element for the title, but doing so would make those titles more difficult for screen reader users as they wouldn't be able to use the DT as navigation aids as they can and do with headings. I must disclaim again, though, I don't really understand your final goal or what exactly you're after so if a list is necessary... Respectfully, Mike Cherim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] URL naming best practice guide? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Does anyone know where I could find a best practice guide to naming URLs? We're trying to keep our URLs descriptive like... www.whatever.com/news/events/index.html ...but not like this... www.whatever.com/news articles/Events Sent from m...@me.com/my.file I need it to pass on to a manager. *** WARNING: The information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or copying of any part of this information is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, we apologise for any inconvenience and request that you notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email, together with any attachments. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up news
Hi Essential,
h4News Title/h4 (h1, h2 and h3 are already being used within the page
for heading and sub heading)
p class=news_dateNews Date/p
p class=news_contentNews Content/p
That works. You might be able to get rid of that what-will-be-repetitive
news_content class if you wrap the thing in a div (id=news), then the
CSS would be like.
#news { }
#news h4 { }
#news p { }
#news p .news_date { }
Or use something else if you have it available and skip the div. Just a
thought. Either way what you're using should serve both you and your readers
well. Good job.
Respectfully,
Mike Cherim
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Re: [WSG] Marking up news
Don't avoid using a headline level just because it's already being used within the page. Good call, Paul. Respectfully, Mike Cherim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Marking up news
On 20/02/2009, at 7:05 AM, Essential eBiz Solutions wrote: I'm making a news plugin but I'm un-sure what the best/most accesible way is to mark it up? Try http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom#Examples_in_the_wild Cheers, Nathan de Vries *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] URL naming best practice guide? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Chris Vickery wrote: Does anyone know where I could find a best practice guide to naming URLs? We're trying to keep our URLs descriptive like... www.whatever.com/news/events/index.html but not like this... www.whatever.com/news articles/Events Sent from m...@me.com/my.file Use POSIX portable file names. That is, filenames that contain only letters, numbers, hyphens, periods and underscores and which do not begin with a hyphen. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com = Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] URL naming best practice guide? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Thanks. Not really what I'm looking for. I know the principals myself... I'm looking for a site, a guide... something more substantive or with some authority. If it's in relatively plain English, even better. It's for my manager. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Chris F.A. Johnson Sent: Friday, 20 February 2009 1:29 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] URL naming best practice guide? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] On Fri, 20 Feb 2009, Chris Vickery wrote: Does anyone know where I could find a best practice guide to naming URLs? We're trying to keep our URLs descriptive like... www.whatever.com/news/events/index.html but not like this... www.whatever.com/news articles/Events Sent from m...@me.com/my.file I need it to pass on to a manager. Use POSIX portable file names. That is, filenames that contain only letters, numbers, hyphens, periods and underscores and which do not begin with a hyphen. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, webmaster http://woodbine-gerrard.com = Do not reply to the From: address; use Reply-To: Author: Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** WARNING: The information contained in this email may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, any use or copying of any part of this information is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error, we apologise for any inconvenience and request that you notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this email, together with any attachments. *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] URL naming best practice guide? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi Chris, The following link may be of interest to you: http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI HTH cal. On 20/02/2009, at 2:25 PM, Chris Vickery wrote: Thanks. Not really what I'm looking for. I know the principals myself... I'm looking for a site, a guide... something more substantive or with some authority. If it's in relatively plain English, even better. It's for my manager. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
