Re: [WSG] [Spam] :The wisdom? of using q to clear
- Original Message - From: Ben Buchanan 2009/9/27 designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk Thanks to all who replied. However, no-one said don't do this because . . . ?? OK, well, since you're kind of asking... ;) Don't do that because it's horrendously non-semantic and you should be making your pages semantically correct. You are basically adding fake content to your page just to support a specific design requirement at a specific point in time, etc... Since you're actually adding content, you could potentially end up with some users seeing for clearing when they view your page. For example some mobile phones I've used revealed content that was hidden by CSS. Also Google will pick up all the extraneous for clearing text and read it along with your real content. If you want to put something into your markup just for clearing purposes I can't really see the point in using q - it's not a quote by any stretch of the imagination. If you can make it work with a br / tag stick to that, I think. If you need text just use a neutral tag and a space, eg. div class=brute-force-clearnbsp;/div which is at least better than actual text. Better to avoid it entirely though, using one of the alternative fixes mentioned earlier. cheers, Ben --- Fair enough Ben, I'm convinced! I've adopted the 'corrected' overflow approach, as suggested by TDK, for the particular job in hand. Thanks all, Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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I did, of course, mean TJK!!! Sorry Thierry! - Original Message - From: designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] [Spam] :The wisdom? of using q to clear - Original Message - From: Ben Buchanan 2009/9/27 designer desig...@gwelanmor-internet.co.uk Thanks to all who replied. However, no-one said don't do this because . . . ?? OK, well, since you're kind of asking... ;) Don't do that because it's horrendously non-semantic and you should be making your pages semantically correct. You are basically adding fake content to your page just to support a specific design requirement at a specific point in time, etc... Since you're actually adding content, you could potentially end up with some users seeing for clearing when they view your page. For example some mobile phones I've used revealed content that was hidden by CSS. Also Google will pick up all the extraneous for clearing text and read it along with your real content. If you want to put something into your markup just for clearing purposes I can't really see the point in using q - it's not a quote by any stretch of the imagination. If you can make it work with a br / tag stick to that, I think. If you need text just use a neutral tag and a space, eg. div class=brute-force-clearnbsp;/div which is at least better than actual text. Better to avoid it entirely though, using one of the alternative fixes mentioned earlier. cheers, Ben --- Fair enough Ben, I'm convinced! I've adopted the 'corrected' overflow approach, as suggested by TDK, for the particular job in hand. Thanks all, Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Ordered list start value
What is the proper way to start an ordered list at a value other than '1' in XHTML? I had ol start=9 flagged because 'there is no attribute start' TIA -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value
Really, really unfortunately, the only way is through CSS 3's *counter.**Somebody correct me if I am wrong. This is one of the things that really makes me cranky. =(* * * On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 08:02, T. R. Valentine trvalent...@gmail.comwrote: What is the proper way to start an ordered list at a value other than '1' in XHTML? I had ol start=9 flagged because 'there is no attribute start' TIA *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value
Hi T. R., Unless you are writing HTML5, @start is deprecated and will not vaildate. To solve this, please have a look at David Storey's article: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/automatic-numbering-with-css-counters/ Hope this helps, Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Technical Writer, Opera Software Documentation Localization Core Engineering Consumer Products Mobile: (+47) 95 17 61 11 http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/ On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:02 PM, T. R. Valentine trvalent...@gmail.comwrote: What is the proper way to start an ordered list at a value other than '1' in XHTML? I had ol start=9 flagged because 'there is no attribute start' TIA -- T. R. Valentine Your friends will argue with you. Your enemies don't care. 'When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left I buy food and clothes.' -- Erasmus *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value
As I understand it, I'm afraid there is no way to do this in XHTML. I've wanted to do the same before now and I don't think you can (whilst remaining valid). If someone does know a technique that works, I'd be interested too. Phil. T. R. Valentine wrote: What is the proper way to start an ordered list at a value other than '1' in XHTML? I had ol start=9 flagged because 'there is no attribute start' TIA -- Phil Archer W3C Mobile Web Initiative http://www.w3.org/Mobile http://philarcher.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Ordered list start value
The correct way to use list start values in XHTML is to use HTML v4 instead. mike From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of James O'Neill Sent: 28 September 2009 14:11 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value Really, really unfortunately, the only way is through CSS 3's counter. Somebody correct me if I am wrong. This is one of the things that really makes me cranky. =( On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 08:02, T. R. Valentine trvalent...@gmail.commailto:trvalent...@gmail.com wrote: What is the proper way to start an ordered list at a value other than '1' in XHTML? I had ol start=9 flagged because 'there is no attribute start' TIA *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This is a confidential email. Tesco may monitor and record all emails. The views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not Tesco. Tesco Stores Limited Company Number: 519500 Registered in England Registered Office: Tesco House, Delamare Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire EN8 9SL VAT Registration Number: GB 220 4302 31 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Ordered list start value
I would try using css to hide the starting li's - that way it will just display the li's that you want with the correct number showing. -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Phil Archer Sent: 28 September 2009 14:16 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value As I understand it, I'm afraid there is no way to do this in XHTML. I've wanted to do the same before now and I don't think you can (whilst remaining valid). If someone does know a technique that works, I'd be interested too. Phil. T. R. Valentine wrote: What is the proper way to start an ordered list at a value other than '1' in XHTML? I had ol start=9 flagged because 'there is no attribute start' TIA -- Phil Archer W3C Mobile Web Initiative http://www.w3.org/Mobile http://philarcher.org *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value
On 28 Sep 2009, at 14:02, T. R. Valentine wrote: What is the proper way to start an ordered list at a value other than '1' in XHTML? I had ol start=9 flagged because 'there is no attribute start' Use Transitional. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value
Mike, Sorry, but your statement is incorrect. The start attribute is allowed in HTML 4.01 Transitional and XHTML 1.0 Transitional The start attribute is NOT allowed in HTML 4.01 Strict and XHTML 1.0 Strict Thanks Russ On 28/09/2009, at 11:23 PM, Foskett, Mike wrote: The correct way to use list start values in XHTML is to use HTML v4 instead. mike *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Re: [WSG] Ordered list start value
2009/9/28 T. R. Valentine trvalent...@gmail.com What is the proper way to start an ordered list at a value other than '1' in XHTML? I had ol start=9 flagged because 'there is no attribute start' The only valid way to change the numbering of lists in strict XHTML is to put a value= on each LI. I have to admit in some scenarios I've used start anyway and just worn the validation error. But if you're generating the list perhaps you can use value without too much hassle. The deprecation of start was... well I consider it a mistake! Thankfully it has been reversed in HTML5 ( http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/semantics.html#the-ol-element) so eventually the better solution will both work AND validate. I've never been able to understand why people thought the numbers weren't a critical part of the document, as opposed to display style! :) cheers, Ben -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
