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Re: [WSG] strange behavior in IE7

[Oliver Boermans]

Hi Ido

2009/11/10 Ido dekkers :
> I'm having trouble with this table which is part of a page not shown:
> http://test3.dekkers.net/test.htm
>
> in IE7 only when hovering over the table different cells get colored red?
> now i know the first css rule causes it. what i don't know is why ??
> it has nothing to do with the table and is targeting a different element in
> the page..

Weird indeed!
I would put that down to general IE bugginess.

As an alternative approach you should use TH instead of TD for the
cells you wish to style differently.

tbody th {color:red;}

Or you could try COL/COLGROUP as a means to distinguish them.

hth

Ollie
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RE: [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation

[Erickson, Kevin (DOE)]

Excellent information! Thanks!!



From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Frank Palinkas
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:36 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation


Hi Kevin,


If you wish to write HTML5, the start attribute has been rescued from its 
deprecated state and may be used when needed. Here is the HTML5 working draft 
describing it: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/semantics.html#attr-ol-start

Validating HTML5: 

W3C: http://qa-dev.w3.org/wmvs/HEAD/#validate_by_upload+with_options
Under "Document type" select "HTML5" (I'm not sure how good this one is yet.)

Validator.nu (by Henri Sivonen): http://html5.validator.nu/ (This one has been 
in use for a while.)

Hope that helps,

Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards,


Frank M. Palinkas
Technical Writer, Documentation and Localization
Core Technologies and Consumer Engineering
Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway
Mobile: (+47) 95 17 61 11
http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/




On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) 
 wrote:


Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard 
is to not break a list apart ever???



From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] 
On Behalf Of Chabot, Elliot
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:54 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation



The "start" attribute for lists was deprecated by § 10.2 of the HTML 
4.01 specification - 
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start 
 . 
 

Elliot 

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] 
On Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:17 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation

Hello,

Is the "start" attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better 
way to do this?

i.e. - 



info 

info



 



 



info>



 

Thank you,

Kevin


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RE: [WSG] Looking for Images

[Chabot, Elliot]

 
You also may want to look at the Veterans History Project of the Library
of Congress at http://www.loc.gov/vets/. 

 Elliot

-Original Message-
From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org]
On Behalf Of J.S. Ferguson
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:24 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Looking for Images

If you're still looking, you might check with the owner of http:// 
www.hnsa.org/index.htm

Steve Ferguson - 
Developer of WebLight the practical web site content testing tool

On Nov 2, 2009, at 12:51 AM, Marvin Hunkin wrote:

> hi.
> doing a world war veterans club website.
> actually updating it.
> so was wondering, looking for images, of icons, logos, ships,  
> planes, sub
> marines, flags, pictures of men , woman.
> and could spend years trolling via google images.
> so i would ask.
> where i could find royalty free images.
> that is accessible with a screen reader.
> cheers Marvin.
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Re: [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation

[David Dorward]

 
On 10 Nov 2009, at 16:43, Jens Brueckmann wrote:

>> Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to
>> not break a list apart ever???
> 
> No, it means when using strict doctypes the attribute is not allowed.

It doesn't. There are a number of attributes / elements which are deprecated or 
appear only in Transitional/Frameset but not both.

In this case, the start attribute is both deprecated and does not appear in 
Strict.

-- 
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http://dorward.me.uk



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Re: [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation

[Jens Brueckmann]

> Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to
> not break a list apart ever???

No, it means when using strict doctypes the attribute is not allowed.

If you need both attribute and validation use a transitional doctype
or you might try using HTML5, where the start-attribute is
reintroduced:
http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-ol-element

Cheers,

jens


-- 
Jens Brueckmann
http://www.yalf.de


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Re: [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation

[Frank Palinkas]

Hi Kevin,

If you wish to write HTML5, the start attribute has been rescued from its
deprecated state and may be used when needed. Here is the HTML5 working
draft describing it: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/semantics.html#attr-ol-start

Validating HTML5:

W3C: http://qa-dev.w3.org/wmvs/HEAD/#validate_by_upload+with_options
Under "Document type" select "HTML5" (I'm not sure how good this one is
yet.)

Validator.nu (by Henri Sivonen): http://html5.validator.nu/ (This one has
been in use for a while.)

Hope that helps,

Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards,

Frank M. Palinkas
Technical Writer, Documentation and Localization
Core Technologies and Consumer Engineering
Opera Software ASA, Oslo, Norway
Mobile: (+47) 95 17 61 11
http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/



On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Erickson, Kevin (DOE) <
kevin.erick...@doe.virginia.gov> wrote:

>  Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is
> to not break a list apart ever???
>
>  --
> *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Chabot, Elliot
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:54 AM
> *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> *Subject:* RE: [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation
>
> The “start” attribute for lists was deprecated by § 10.2 of the HTML 4.01 
> specification
> - *
> http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start
> *
> .
>
>  Elliot
>
> *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org 
> [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org
> ]* On Behalf Of* Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:17 AM
> *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> *Subject:* [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation
>
> Hello,
>
> Is the "start" attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way
> to do this?
>
> i.e. -
>
> 
>
> info
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> info
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> Thank you,
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> Kevin
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RE: [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation

[Erickson, Kevin (DOE)]

Thanks for the responses so far! Does this mean that today's standard is to not 
break a list apart ever???



From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Chabot, Elliot
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:54 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation



The "start" attribute for lists was deprecated by § 10.2 of the HTML 4.01 
specification - 
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start 
 . 
 

Elliot 

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:17 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation

Hello,

Is the "start" attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to 
do this?

i.e. - 



info 

info



 



 



info>



 

Thank you,

Kevin


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RE: [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation

[Chabot, Elliot]

The "start" attribute for lists was deprecated by § 10.2 of the HTML 4.01 
specification - 
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/struct/lists.html#adef-start.  

Elliot 

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:17 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation

Hello,
Is the "start" attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to 
do this?
i.e. - 

info 
info

 

 

info>

 
Thank you,
Kevin


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[WSG] RE: Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation

[Foskett, Mike]

That came up as a topic recently.
I'm told a transitional doctype allows it.

Mike Foskett

From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On 
Behalf Of Erickson, Kevin (DOE)
Sent: 10 November 2009 15:17
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation

Hello,
Is the "start" attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better way to 
do this?
i.e. -

info
info





info>


Thank you,
Kevin




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[WSG] Deprecated "start" for lists confirmation

[Erickson, Kevin (DOE)]

Hello,
Is the "start" attribute truly deprecated for a list? Is there a better
way to do this?
i.e. - 




info 
info


 

 


info>


 

Thank you,
Kevin


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[WSG] strange behavior in IE7

[Ido dekkers]

Hello

I'm having trouble with this table which is part of a page not shown:
http://test3.dekkers.net/test.htm

in IE7 only when hovering over the table different cells get colored red?
now i know the first css rule causes it. what i don't know is why ??
it has nothing to do with the table and is targeting a different element in
the page..

any ideas ?

thanks
Ido


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