[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
joining the party a little late here.. unless i have misunderstood things here this is a perfect situation to employ XSLT ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XSLT). you can assign whatever attributes you require to the XML and then use XSLT to have the browser render the file as XHTML. On 2 August 2012 10:38, wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Mathew Robertson mathew.blair.robert...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 09:57:54 +1000 Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML5 polyglot markup and WAI-ARIA, is there a valid way? Hi Isabel, It sounds like you might be confusing/mixing your requirements... from the limited information you have provided, this sounds like perfect candidate to generate two separate files ie: HTML already has accessibility built in, and you get the XML file contain exactly what you require. regards, Mathew Robertson On 1 August 2012 09:29, Isabel Santos unboun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rob, thank you, and sorry for the delayed answer. The need for xml comes from the site being a web application for an academic work. The idea is to generate xml both to the site and for exchange purposes. I could generate both xml and html but that isn't very elegant, and would not optimise the resources. In fact, accessibility, validity, design and usability are my own concerns, they aren't part of the work, won't be evaluated, and are taking more time then they should. Anyway, as long as it is possible to do, the more difficult a work, the more one learns. I gess I've lost a good part of the WAI-ARIA development history, it's kind of hard to understand the excessive and aparently arbitrary strictness of xhtml in regards to ARIA. regards, isabel On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Rob Crowther robe...@boogdesign.com wrote: What XML content do you need to include? If you just stick to regular HTML5 then all the ARIA stuff is valid (with some sanity restrictions) and you won't have to work around the strict parsing: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/**web-apps/current-work/** multipage/elements.html#wai-**aria http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/elements.html#wai-aria XML elements will be parsed into the HTML5 document tree, albeit slightly differently to how an XML document would be parsed, but maybe close enough for your purposes depending on what XML you'll be including. Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** * From: Rob Crowther robe...@boogdesign.com Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 02:01:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML5 polyglot markup and WAI-ARIA, is there a valid way? On 01/08/12 00:29, Isabel Santos wrote: I could generate both xml and html but that isn't very elegant, and would not optimise the resources. Unless you serve the XHTML files with a MIME type of application/xml or application/xhtml+xml, which will break things in IE9, the browser will treat all the content as HTML anyway. This is precisely because of XHTML's arbitrary strictness. http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/HTML_vs._XHTML#Differences_Between_HTML_and_XHTML Rob ** Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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Re: [WSG] how to force a cache bypass?
Append some junk querystring to the end of the URL, like example.com/index.html?20120803132400. Every time it changes, stuff will be refreshed. Wouldn't really recommend doing it for regular pages because it makes the URLs look messy, but if you're trying to refresh scripts or images, go nuts. James On 21 July 2012 03:22, Rob Crowther robe...@boogdesign.com wrote: On 20/07/2012 17:47, coder wrote: How can I make a web page appear as the latest version in all browsers, i.e., perform a cache bypass? And I don't mean for me - I mean for all visitors to the page? Is it possible? ?? Once it's cached in the browser there's not much you can do about it, the browser will store the cache settings at the time when it cached the page and if those settings say don't check again for a month then, generally, it won't. If you want the page to never be cached then you need to set the expiry header. With Apache servers this is quite straightforward and can usually be done in the directory's .htaccess file: ExpiresByType text/html access plus 0 seconds This is example was take from HTML5 BoilerPlate: https://github.com/h5bp/html5-**boilerplate/blob/** 83f4f281866be1cf7f391738c53c44**8a5ac658e9/.htaccess#L233https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/83f4f281866be1cf7f391738c53c448a5ac658e9/.htaccess#L233 Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**mail/guidelines.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**join/unsubscribe.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberhelp@webstandardsgroup.**orgmemberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- *James Ducker* james.duc...@gmail.com +61 404 838 470 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] how to force a cache bypass?
Sometimes a random query string does not work. Changing the filename itself works 100% of the time. Eg. style-scm-revision-number.css Manu On 03/08/2012, at 1:25 PM, James Ducker james.duc...@gmail.com wrote: Append some junk querystring to the end of the URL, like example.com/index.html?20120803132400. Every time it changes, stuff will be refreshed. Wouldn't really recommend doing it for regular pages because it makes the URLs look messy, but if you're trying to refresh scripts or images, go nuts. James On 21 July 2012 03:22, Rob Crowther robe...@boogdesign.com wrote: On 20/07/2012 17:47, coder wrote: How can I make a web page appear as the latest version in all browsers, i.e., perform a cache bypass? And I don't mean for me - I mean for all visitors to the page? Is it possible? ?? Once it's cached in the browser there's not much you can do about it, the browser will store the cache settings at the time when it cached the page and if those settings say don't check again for a month then, generally, it won't. If you want the page to never be cached then you need to set the expiry header. With Apache servers this is quite straightforward and can usually be done in the directory's .htaccess file: ExpiresByType text/html access plus 0 seconds This is example was take from HTML5 BoilerPlate: https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/83f4f281866be1cf7f391738c53c448a5ac658e9/.htaccess#L233 Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- James Ducker james.duc...@gmail.com +61 404 838 470 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] how to force a cache bypass?
Second that. If you can version the filenames that's definitely the most sure-fire way to make sure users don't cache old copies. James On 3 August 2012 14:39, Emmanuel Negri nna...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes a random query string does not work. Changing the filename itself works 100% of the time. Eg. style-scm-revision-number.css Manu On 03/08/2012, at 1:25 PM, James Ducker james.duc...@gmail.com wrote: Append some junk querystring to the end of the URL, like example.com/index.html?20120803132400. Every time it changes, stuff will be refreshed. Wouldn't really recommend doing it for regular pages because it makes the URLs look messy, but if you're trying to refresh scripts or images, go nuts. James On 21 July 2012 03:22, Rob Crowther robe...@boogdesign.com wrote: On 20/07/2012 17:47, coder wrote: How can I make a web page appear as the latest version in all browsers, i.e., perform a cache bypass? And I don't mean for me - I mean for all visitors to the page? Is it possible? ?? Once it's cached in the browser there's not much you can do about it, the browser will store the cache settings at the time when it cached the page and if those settings say don't check again for a month then, generally, it won't. If you want the page to never be cached then you need to set the expiry header. With Apache servers this is quite straightforward and can usually be done in the directory's .htaccess file: ExpiresByType text/html access plus 0 seconds This is example was take from HTML5 BoilerPlate: https://github.com/h5bp/html5-**boilerplate/blob/** 83f4f281866be1cf7f391738c53c44**8a5ac658e9/.htaccess#L233https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/blob/83f4f281866be1cf7f391738c53c448a5ac658e9/.htaccess#L233 Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**mail/guidelines.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/**join/unsubscribe.cfmhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberhelp@webstandardsgroup.**orgmemberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- *James Ducker* james.duc...@gmail.com +61 404 838 470 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- *James Ducker* james.duc...@gmail.com +61 404 838 470 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
