Re: [WSG] CSS Shorthand for color

2004-03-22 Thread Ben Bishop
Hi Brian, There's no magic to it. Straight from the W3C: http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/WD-css3-color-20010305#numerical The format of an RGB value in hexadecimal notation is a '#' immediately followed by either three or six hexadecimal characters. The three-digit RGB notation (#rgb) is converted

Re: [WSG] CSS Shorthand for color

2004-03-22 Thread James Ellis
Hey Off the top of my head: # cc9900 = #c90 # cc8800 = #c80 # dd2255 = #d25 Just take the 1,3 5 characters of the string. If the 6 chr hex is not paired then this #e6dfe2 as #ede will be the same as #eeddee http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/syndata.html#color-units Cheers James theGrafixGuy wrote:

Re: [WSG] CSS Shorthand for color

2004-03-22 Thread Manuel Gonz√°lez Noriega
El lun, 22-03-2004 a las 09:18, theGrafixGuy escribió: Does anyone know of a calculator or reference one can use to translate hex into triple hex? Referring here to using #FFF instead of #FF for white as an example. AFAIK, the shorthand notation will only work with twin pairs of digits

RE: [WSG] CSS Shorthand for color

2004-03-22 Thread theGrafixGuy
From what I can tell, IT IS NOT limited to paired hexes - See http://www.december.com/html/spec/color3hex1.html - this pages lists 512 colors, the next another 1024 colors, the next another 1024, and the last yet another 1024 for a total of 3584 colors That is more than the paired sets I believe

RE: [WSG] CSS Shorthand for color

2004-03-22 Thread Patrick Lee
When Brian mentioned older browsers/backwards compatibility my first thought was about the web safe pallette. On second glance at the question I don't know how relevant it was to the topic. Of course the web safe color pallette isn't very relevant anymore :) Brian, if you were actually

[WSG] CSS and form button question

2004-03-22 Thread Adam Carmichael
Hi, I'm wondering if it is possible to format the form buttons on a page using CSS without adding classes or ids to the existing markup whilst not affecting the other input elements. I guess what I'm asking is, is it possible to style an input element using only the type attribute? Thanks in

RE: [WSG] Help us redesign the WSG site

2004-03-22 Thread P.H.Lauke
I'd second that...I'll get my Door to my garden prepped for conversion :) http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=041%2F041%2Ecss Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk -Original Message- From: Andy Budd

Re: [WSG] drop down menus

2004-03-22 Thread Andy Budd
When a screen resolution is 800 x 600 - what is the Actual width of the browser viewing area (taking the window borders into account). If the page extends beyond the depth of the page and the browser adds a scroll-bar, what is the width of the browser's viewwing area now?? According to

RE: [WSG] Help us redesign the WSG site

2004-03-22 Thread Amit Karmakar
Sounds good to me :) Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Budd Sent: Monday, 22 March 2004 10:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Help us redesign the WSG site How about doing a Zen

Re: [WSG] CSS Shorthand for color

2004-03-22 Thread Simon Jessey
- Original Message - From: Leo J. O'Campo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS Shorthand for color While we are on the topic of color palettes and standard color notation, IMHO using the web safe palette for desktop websites is like coding for Mosaic. In this day and age, just

RE: [WSG] CSS Shorthand for color

2004-03-22 Thread Josephine R L Earl
At 02:27 AM 3/22/2004 -0800, theGrafixGuy said: From what I can tell, IT IS NOT limited to paired hexes - See http://www.december.com/html/spec/color3hex1.html - this pages lists 512 colors, the next another 1024 colors, the next another 1024, and the last yet another 1024 for a total of 3584

Re: [WSG] Help us redesign the WSG site

2004-03-22 Thread A. R. Templeton
Good day folks. I'm new to the list and it would be wonderful to be able to submit a design 'a la' Zen Garden. Even if not accepted it would really be an honor to submit a design amongst such prestigious web designers. I also look forward to learning alot from this great pool of experience.

Re: [WSG] link or style block when @importing? [WAS: Opera 7 problem with horizontal nav list]

2004-03-22 Thread Jeremy Flint
some people that will use @import in a linked stylesheet do so in case they happen to use a new stylesheet and want to call it by a different name. this way, you only change the css file in the @import once, rather than changing it in the header of everypage on the site. - Jeremy Flint

Re: [WSG] Opera 7 problem with horizontal nav list

2004-03-22 Thread Gyrus
At 01:52 22/03/2004 +0100, you wrote: G I'm floating the li elements left, Do they have to be floated? Why not using display:inline? That way the li are forced onto 1 line. I think the reasons I used float were: - Making the a display: block seemed to give me better control over padding

RE: [WSG] Help us redesign the WSG site

2004-03-22 Thread Nick Cowie
Andy wrote: How about doing a Zen Garden type thing and allow people to skin the WSG site. That would be an interesting task, seeing it would be a 20 odd page site we would be skinning. The first challenge will be to get enough agreement on how to create the basic page structure, eg: do we

Re: [WSG] Opera 7 problem with horizontal nav list

2004-03-22 Thread Luc
Good afternoon Gyrus, It was foretold that on 22-3-2004 @ 14:54:34 GMT+ (which was 15:54:34 where I live) Gyrus would mumble: snipped a bit G This made the borders I applied to li not work properly, What is working not properly? G - In IE5.0/Win, the padding doesn't apply to the the a

Re: [WSG] Help us redesign the WSG site

2004-03-22 Thread Tonico Strasser
Nick Cowie wrote: So if Russ is willing to completely change the rules, we are willing to put up with some lively discussions on most suitable page strucutre, I for one am looking forward to the opportunity. +1 To discuss the page structure would be very interesting since this is a concrete use

Re: [WSG] drop down menus

2004-03-22 Thread Michael Donnermeyer
I usually do either 740 or 720 if it's specified in pixels, depending on the type of layout I'm going after. MD On Mar 22, 2004, at 06:34, Andy Budd wrote: When a screen resolution is 800 x 600 - what is the Actual width of the browser viewing area (taking the window borders into account).

RE: [WSG] Help us redesign the WSG site

2004-03-22 Thread Peter Firminger
H... All very interesting. To do this we may have to change the functionality of the CMS a bit and maybe even hard code the pages that rarely change due to the needs of a site that displays code on the page by default (when pasted in). I don't think that many outside the core group have

Re: [WSG] CSS Shorthand for color

2004-03-22 Thread Carl Reynolds
I did a lot of research several years ago in the use of color in user interfaces that will be viewed by color blind people. The results we got showed that a wide range of colors works better for them than a narrow range. Of course it is not a good idea to uses exclusively bright red and bright

[WSG] Problem with layout, content of one box offsetting against other

2004-03-22 Thread Jeremy Flint
http://www.sweetbirmingham.com/dev/about-otherbhaminfo.html This page uses an unordered list for the navigation on the right, except for the the two images at the bottom, they are just divs. The list in the content area, is for some reason, offsetting against the left nav box. there seems to

RE: [WSG] Problem with layout, content of one box offsetting agai nst other

2004-03-22 Thread Chatham, Will
P.S. I just found the reference for this bug I was speaking of: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/threepxtest.html Will Chatham * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Problem with layout, content of one box offsetting agai nst other

2004-03-22 Thread Jeremy Flint
holy crap. thanks will. that worked perfectly. you have saved my head. look for 2 tylenol in the mail. :-) - Jeremy Flint www.jeremyflint.com Chatham, Will wrote: Hi Jeremy, I have run into this same problem before. It seems to be a bug in IE PC at the very least (go figure), as I don't

Re: [WSG] CSS Shorthand for color

2004-03-22 Thread Leo J. O'Campo
Simon Read the reply more carefully and you'll see I was targeting a desktop audience and speaking about desktop monitors. Leo On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 07:29 AM, Simon Jessey wrote: Actually, I would argue that it isn't as simple as that. Lately, I have noticed in my access logs that

[WSG] Color Blindnesss

2004-03-22 Thread theGrafixGuy
Somewhere out there, I lost my link to it in an old HDD crash, there is a site that allows you to test your site using the various perceptions people with various types of color blindness suffer from - it was actually quite handy. But there is other sites out there now that atleast let you choose

Re: [WSG] Problem with layout, content of one box offsetting against other

2004-03-22 Thread A. R. Templeton
From what I can tell the unordered list within the .column-in class has shifted the list over according to the padding you use in the .column-in class. So what I did was create a decendant selector for ul that is within the .column-in class. Here is the code: .column-in ul { padding: 0

Re: [WSG] CSS Shorthand for color

2004-03-22 Thread Jeremy Flint
The great thing about CSS is that you can specify what devices see what stylesheet. So write a stylesheet using all the colors in the rainbow for screen, and write one using the websafe variety for handhelds. - Jeremy Flint www.jeremyflint.com Leo J. O'Campo wrote: Simon Read the reply

RE: [WSG] Help us redesign the WSG site

2004-03-22 Thread theGrafixGuy
I like this idea! It adds a creative flair to the purpose of the group and as an artist/programmer instead of a pure programmer it gives others like me a chance to show the world This is how I would've done it. Brian * The discussion list for

RE: [WSG] CSS Shorthand for color

2004-03-22 Thread stuart
At 2:27 -0800 22/3/04, theGrafixGuy wrote: So that is I am looking for a calculator type doohickey or widget Brian Not sure if this is of any help? http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/20175 * The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Color Blindnesss

2004-03-22 Thread Bill McAvinney
Somewhere out there, I lost my link to it in an old HDD crash, there is a site that allows you to test your site using the various perceptions people with various types of color blindness suffer from - it was actually quite handy. Here's one site that does that. http://vischeck.com/ on this

Re: [WSG] Color Blindnesss

2004-03-22 Thread Sarah Sammis
Somewhere out there, I lost my link to it in an old HDD crash, there is a site that allows you to test your site using the various perceptions people with various types of color blindness suffer from - it was actually quite handy. But there is other sites out there now that atleast let you

[WSG] Greetings

2004-03-22 Thread Denny Lancaster
Web site awards, validation logo's, certificates of achievement, a listing of credentials or accomplishments and other "vain" displays on a web site have something in common - an outward statement of an inward achievement. The reason for the above statement is because of a comment a pastor

Re: [WSG] Opera 7 problem with horizontal nav list

2004-03-22 Thread Gyrus
At 16:56 22/03/2004 +0100, you wrote: G - In IE5.0/Win, the padding doesn't apply to the the a Sorry, IE5.0 is something i'm no expert in I'm sure it seemed like an OK browser 3 years ago ;-) G - In all browsers I've looked at, there's a bit of space between each li, G with the background

Re: [WSG] CSS Shorthand for color

2004-03-22 Thread Sarah Sammis
The short hand will only work for web safe colors. That being said... 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A 10 B 11 C 12 D 13 E 14 F 15 F is the most on a color channel can be. 0 is the most off a color channel can be. The color channels are: R G B (red, green, blue) and the color mixing is additive. So as you

[WSG] Font size, and how large is large enough?

2004-03-22 Thread Maxine Sherrin
Hi all, Have just started major site overhaul at www.westciv.com which will boldly try for 1. XHTML (would love strict but will prob. have to settle for transitional)/CSS 2. WAI-AAA 3. improved architecture 4. uber-sexy stylishness But this very first afternoon I'm pondering a couple of

[WSG] i am USER-hear me roar - evolt.org

2004-03-22 Thread Neerav
http://www.evolt.org/article/I_am_USER_hear_me_roar/4090/60295/index.html Information accessibility/usability tips -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Font size, and how large is large enough?

2004-03-22 Thread Neerav
1. I always set font sizes as a %, this way people can easily use their browsers font controls to increase/decrease the size to improve legibility eg: in Firefox pressing CTRL and + or CTRL and - 2. I'd be happy with +- 25% 3. re: fixing font size. As someone who wears glasses and has designed