RE: [WSG] Mozilla chocks with Dynamic Content

2004-06-04 Thread helmut
After examining a previews reply this was my logic. And thank you for the tip, Clear:both would make it work beautifully. So basicly clear:both means.. obey the height of the longest div. Thanks for the tip! -Original Message- From: Lauke PH [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion

2004-06-04 Thread Mark Stanton
Guys hate to rain on your parade but if your browser can understand that obfuscation what makes you think that a email address harvestor is not going to be able to? These guys are writing complex viruses that harvest email addresses directly from people's Outlook contact lists, surely they can

Re: [WSG] CSS Disaster

2004-06-04 Thread RC Pierce
Just a thought: Are you writing, @import url('%styles.css%') or, @import url('%styles.css%'); ??? The semi-colon is absolutely essential. Roy - Original Message - From: Sean M. Hall AKA Dante [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 7:53 PM Subject:

RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion

2004-06-04 Thread Alan Harrison
I have been using the obfuscation method for some time now, and while it may not totally eliminate spam harvesting, IMHO it certainly does slow the harvesting down. I have used the javascript method also, with the addition of a gif displaying the e-mail address for folks that have javascript

Re: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion

2004-06-04 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 6/4/04 2:05 AM Mike Pepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: There is no doubting professional harvesters will easily circumvent the obfuscation. This is a damage limitation exercise. In this war of attrition, any counter-measure is better than none. A 'What's the point attitude' is

RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion

2004-06-04 Thread Mike Pepper
Mark is quite correct when he says that complex e-mail harvesters will probably work around these methods, but it appears that most of the harvesting is done by very basic programs that are looking only for e-mail addresses stored in conventional format. Indeed, Alan, as I mentioned: However,

Re: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion

2004-06-04 Thread Mark Harwood
It does now... why not use the content: selector and set your email in there ;) Shame IE dont like Content: tho! * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on

RE: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto encoders using Character Entity Evasion

2004-06-04 Thread Lea de Groot
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:41:32 +1000, Alan Harrison wrote: Mark is quite correct when he says that complex e-mail harvesters will probably work around these methods, but it appears that most of the harvesting is done by very basic programs that are looking only for e-mail addresses stored in

Re: [WSG] Anti-spam mailto... MOVED TO DISCUSSION ROOM

2004-06-04 Thread Russ Weakley - Maxdesign
Ok, this thread is way off topic now. As it seems of-interest to a section of members, rather than close it we have moved it to the discussion room: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/17.htm Any further discussion on this thread can take place in there but NOT on list. Thanks Russ

Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Peter Firminger wrote: I totally disagree. IE (with it's problems) is the dominant browser and it's absolutely your problem (the web developer) to make sure the site you build for a client works on the most likely user-agent. Didn't nay not to make the site work in IE. What I'm suggesting is

Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Manuel González Noriega
El vie, 04-06-2004 a las 12:59, Mordechai Peller escribió: As far as non-IE extras, they should be exactly that--extra. A site need to have a 100% lever of functionality and a 100% look in IE, but in a compliant browser, maybe the look could be 110%? Users would only know they were missing

RE: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Jamie Mason
Title: RE: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE I agree word for word with Mark on this Jamie Mason: Design -Original Message- From: Mark Harwood WebMail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 June 2004 12:23 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE Im sorry but you

Re: [WSG] CSS Disaster

2004-06-04 Thread Kristof Neirynck
Sean M. Hall AKA Dante wrote: At first I though it was this: @import url('screenstyles.css') screen; I use single quotes so IE5/Mac won't see the stylesheet. But I switched to double quotes and still no luck. Removed the screen; part. Nein. not yet. Removed the conditional comments for IE in the

RE: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Mark Harwood
Thanks Jamie, i know this is off topic, but you dont happen to work at the sky offices in Hudderfeild do you? I had the pleasure of being offered a job there when i was about 19/20 and bodged it by requesting to much salary... they never got back to me _ On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:43 , Jamie Mason

Re: [WSG] Linking External CSS

2004-06-04 Thread Justin French
On 04/06/2004, at 10:02 PM, Jamie Mason wrote: What's the difference of linking by; @import url(styles.css); And link rel=stylesheet type=text/css href=styles.css / If any? @import(...) is not recognised by some older browsers (like NN4), it's helpful for keeping old browsers away from the

Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Manuel González Noriega wrote: FYI, that concept is called MOSE and described here http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/06/25/mose/ Thanks. So someone with more clout than me said it about a year ago. What I'm adding is that we should let the client know we're doing it, but not charging

Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Mark Harwood WebMail wrote: Im sorry but you never ever suggest to a client that the site will not work in IE, 9 time out of 10 a client will only know about IE. If your suggesting standards you should know what and what not to do to make a standard site work accross all browsers. I said the

Re: [WSG] Make em' pay for IE

2004-06-04 Thread Mark Harwood
In other words, you'll lie to your client because you think they're too stupid to understand that dealing with the problems in IE is one of the costs of doing business and no less real than paying taxes and the electric company. Im sorry but i can safely say that i have no need to lie to my

[WSG] lotus domino vs doctype

2004-06-04 Thread wsg . p . qxo
Sadly, with Lotus Domino the only reliable way to control DOCTYPE (as far as I can tell) is to generate the entire page from scratch with an agent. If your first print is a DOCTYPE, then Domino won't generate headers. But if you use Forms you get stuck with what Domino decides is best for you.

[WSG] Relative font sizes without relative dimension units

2004-06-04 Thread Bill McAvinney
Hi Folks, I was wondering if anyone has ideas for a simpler way of dealing with this issue than I have. The issue: I like to set my font sizes in ems. I also use ems a lot to position block elements so that my designs work better as people expand contract their text sizes. The problem is for

RE: [WSG] CSS Disaster

2004-06-04 Thread Iain Gardiner
Title: Message Hi Sean, Interesting. Especially this bit: "For my new History Website redesign, I worked hard on creating a valid XHTML 1.0" Allow me to quote this from Simplebits a month ago... "23. On May 6, 2004 8:08 PM, Dante said: D: Dont use XHTML at all. Seriously though

Re: [WSG] Relative font sizes without relative dimension units

2004-06-04 Thread s2art
I could be wrong here but don't you just need to use descendant selectors here? #header h1{font-size: 1.5em;} #content h1{font-size1.2 em; font-color: red;} On 05/06/2004, at 1:13 AM, Bill McAvinney wrote: The solution I've come up with is to enclose non-1em sized text in a span tag and assign

RE: [WSG] Relative font sizes without relative dimension units

2004-06-04 Thread Patrick Lauke
Bill, funnily enough, this is a problem I've come across recently myself. The only way around it that I can think of is to do the calculation of padding/margin based on your font size by hand. In your example, if you want a 10em margin around your h1, but you've already set your h1 to 1.5em

Re: [WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment

2004-06-04 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
I would recommend you do both - have a standards compliant accessable site, but include an interactive area. A xhtml/css php/mysql"photobook" with the club at certian nights - preferably the peak holiday periods. Give them the best of both worlds. a quick loading site with an area where