Title: RE:[WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment
I played around with flash - in a wk i made blue
box move from one side to another :D!!
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From:
Sean M. Hall AKA
Dante
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 6:14
PM
Subject:
Title: RE[WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment
The last part of my mail should've read "I was never good with animation"; sorry for the error (it's 11:30 PM here in San Francisco right now).
Title: RE:[WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment
Wooops the link in the other email is
actually...
http://www.taupowebdesigns.co.nz/
sorry :$
Camz
www.t94xr.net.nz
That was my originaly thought...
I am still contemplating what to do.
I really want to make it look appealing - and yet still compliant.
Good point that the graphics are still all the same - regardless of the
code.
Something I may have forgotten.
Well you have some very good points which I
Yes, thanks!
I was going to have these areas:
- Upcoming Events,
- Forums,
- Guestbook, [maybe a forum thread?]
- Member Pages [free passes etc...],
- Photo Album (if I get around to taking Pix)
And a news reel with contact panel etc...
t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote:
I would
I know what you mean about the "I'll take the embed tag"
- I can relate there, so much effort for such a small validation.
I would rather just not have my footer with: "STANDARDS COMPLIANT" on
that one page... LoL...
thanks for the input!
cheers!
Chris Stratford
Sean M. Hall AKA Dante
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:50:54 -0400, Bill McAvinney wrote:
What I'm looking for is a way to have a consistent em based measuring
unit across all block elements in a site so that a width of say 10em
will be the same no matter what the font size of the text in that
block is.
Unfortunately,
At to whether a list of thumbs is truly tabular ... I think not. It will
visually appear such but it's not a grid -- for which tables should be used,
as a matrix.
Tables have rows and columns at which cells intersect as combined related
values; a contiguous list of thumbs and associated captions
Chris,
look at it this way: they're all going to be tripping, anyway, so you're just
doubling up on the psychedelic experience :o)
Don't
do it. Go standards. My stepson's heading a D B/Jungle unit so I've got to
dip more than a toe into that environment very shortly. I didn't even
yes use tables, but use them wiely, use them as they were intended for (
tabular data )
I hope you're not suggesting going back to nested tables are you?
For me CSS holds to many advantages; and i feel it is just the future ( for
me ne ways )to effectivley render beautiful sematic webpages.
Horses for courses - you build what will attract your client's audience -
if the client requires a site for a niche audience with it's own
characteristics (as long as these are known not just assumed) then a lot of
the usual cliches about not losing part of the potential audience MAY not
Horses for courses - you build what will attract your client's audience -
if the client requires a site for a niche audience with it's own
characteristics (as long as these are known not just assumed) then a lot of
the usual cliches about not losing part of the potential audience MAY not
It's not tabular data, it's a linear stream of images with captions. One way
of looking at it is to take the thumbs and associated text and jumble the
sequence; do that with a proper table grid and you'll have a mess since the
row and columnar formats will be meaningless.
For instance --
On 6/5/04 3:47 AM Mike Pepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent
this out:
Not so with a sequence of images (unless, of course, you're ordering them
alphabetically but that's not the issue).
Couldn't Cost and Monday have a value which is an image along with a
caption?
:-)
Rick Faaberg
Now i dont know if any one else has tried this ; but im trying to hide input
borders which is working in Mozilla,IE ( all version/platfroms) but after
doing a few browser cams, i notice that safari still place borders around
the input's ,the same problem ( with even) the latest version of Opera
i wasnt talking to you ;)
From: Mike Pepper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: WSG [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:47:12 +0100
It's not tabular data, it's a linear stream of images with captions. One
I think can beat that!
I played around with flash and and then Peter and I were threatened with
defamation in the Supreme Court of Queensland:
http://news.awn.com/index.php?newsitem_no=4149
But that was before we became responsible listparents :)
Russ
I played around with flash - in a wk i
so it doesn't make any sense to measure it other
than relative to the current size
actually, it does make a lot of sense, as the original poster
wants the whole measurements to be relative, but all
based on a unified measure, not the current size of the
current element.
P
winmail.dat
My hovercraft is full of eels ;o)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of 7 sinz
Sent: 05 June 2004 12:07
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions
i wasnt talking to you ;)
From: Mike Pepper
On 5 jun 2004, at 12.56, 7 sinz wrote:
Now i dont know if any one else has tried this ; but im trying to hide
input borders which is working in Mozilla,IE ( all version/platfroms)
but after doing a few browser cams, i notice that safari still place
borders around the input's ,the same problem (
I have been reading the posts from this discussion list for a few months trying to
decide if I should abandon my table based layout. I finally decided to give it a try
and am doing okay...I think. My test page validates for XHTML and CSS, and it looks
fine in IE6. Unfortunately, it is breaking
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:25:08 -0500, Ward Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
it looks fine in IE6. Unfortunately, it is breaking apart badly in
Mozilla 1.6.
You might want to check out opera firefox (on windows) too (both broken)
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I hope you're not suggesting going back to nested tables are you?
Not on your life. Tableless, free-flowing, css driven layout is really the ticket, to
be sure. I
much prefer the ease with which a page can be constructed and styled later. Add to
this that once a
working template is created, one
Nick Gleitzman wrote:
I've been trying to emulate, with CSS alone, what I've been doing for
years with tables: create a grid of thumbnails, each with a caption
below, both image and caption linked to an enlargement. We all know how
easy that is; center the table, center the cell content
Is there a 'standard' way for linearizing tables? Does one move
across, then down row by row, or down then across column by column?
(Okay, I know this was asked in another thread, but noone bit, so I'm posting it as a
new topic.)
Roy
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Standard western order: left to right, top to bottom. In case
of nested tables, the browser recursively does this for the content
of cells containing tables as well.
You could use a text browser such as Lynx or BrailleSurf to test
linearisation.
Patrick
Patrick
Hi Roy,
Think of each cell as a div tag. We use XSLT to make tables linear within XStandard.
Here is the link to download the XSLT:
http://xstandard.com/download/screenreader.xsl
Regards,
-Vlad
XStandard Development Team
http://xstandard.com
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From: RC Pierce [EMAIL
Ward Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
It seems that whenever I try to fix a problem in Mozilla, then IE breaks.
There's a very good reason for that... Because you are using the xml prolog,
IE is being forced into quirks mode rendering, not standards compliance mode
- that is, you're making IE6
Ward Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
It seems that whenever I try to fix a problem in Mozilla, then IE breaks.
There's a very good reason for that... Because you are using the xml prolog,
IE is being forced into quirks mode rendering, not standards compliance mode
- that is, you're making IE6
Hi Ward
Most of your problems are coming from the standard box model problems
associated with IE.
I see that you're using the !--[if IE 5] !--[if IE 6] tags, I
would probably keep doing this, but instead of having 1 or 2 definitions
within the actual page, add another external stylesheet e.g.
Russ Weakley - Maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I played around with flash and and then Peter and I were threatened with
defamation in the Supreme Court of Queensland:
http://news.awn.com/index.php?newsitem_no=4149
Is the site no longer up?
--
Kay Smoljak
http://www.newlookhair.com.au
I can view it in Firefox 0.8 , heres the text for ppl who cant access it
for some reason
http://news.awn.com/index.php?newsitem_no=4149
Australian Government Sets Out To Ban Political Web Game
January 23, 2001
Government officials in Australia are threatening a lawsuit against
WebWank.net for
Hi Kay,
http://news.awn.com/index.php?newsitem_no=4149
Is the site no longer up?
I can see it, and had a good giggle :-)
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Kym
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Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I can view it in Firefox 0.8 , heres the text for ppl who cant access it
for some reason
http://news.awn.com/index.php?newsitem_no=4149
Sorry, I meant the site the article talks about - webwank.net - I want to
throw tampons at John Howard!
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Kay Smoljak
Apologies to all - I seem to have done some thread hijacking of my own!
That off-topic post was made in a flippant mood on Saturday night. The site
in question was taken down a year or two ago, so the games cannot be seen.
However, the front page is still available on the wayback machine (may
Kay,
Many thanks for the thoughtful feedback. I knew I was missing something, but
wasn't sure what. And thanks also for the advice on the divs.
Ward
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There's a very good reason for that... Because you are using the xml
prolog,
IE is being forced into quirks mode
I'm with Mike - that's brilliant. It'll certainly fix my immediate
needs. Thanks, Kristof!
One question: what's this hack for?
* html #images a {
height: 100px;
he\ight: 95px;
}
OK, I lied. Second question: your solution is very usable; I class this
as 'elegant' because all the
Roy - ummm, did I miss a post? Can you point me to 'Bert's layout'?
Thanks
Nick
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On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 01:59 AM, RC Pierce wrote:
Bert's thumbnail layout is really quite straight forward. Wish I'd o'
thought of
Vertical Son of Suckerfish - Practical implementation at
http://www.rci.com.au
What a difference it makes! Implementing Son of Suckerfish cut 30kb off
the page size by removing the old DHTML menu, and reduced page load and
render times dramatically
I did have to sacrifice NS4 and IE4
What CSS/XHTML/HTML editors do you guys use for hand coding and testing?
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On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:07:25 -0500, helmut wrote:
What CSS/XHTML/HTML editors do you guys use for hand coding and testing?
Under ISX, ATM, subethaedit - http://www.codingmonkeys.de/subethaedit/
HIH
Lea
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Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/
Web
Thanks, Bert - that's a different and very useful take on the problem.
Er - Notwithstanding your PS, do you know how unwell your site is in
Mac browsers? IE5 particularly - the only thing that shows up is the
bgrd image (red at left). I think it's the height:100% that's doing
it...
If you
What CSS/XHTML/HTML editors do you guys use for hand coding and
testing?
Adobe GoLive.
Rick Faaberg
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On a Mac: BBEdit, but I'm testing HyperEdit (still in beta) when I've
got time because it offers real-time side-by-side comparison of code
and result. Not 100% sure as yet of the rendering side, though...
Nick
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<>Visicom Media's AceHTML Pro. Version 5.09.1 is the latest live
version; version 6.01.1 is a pre-release version with some added
features but isn't the final version yet. I have both, I'm happy with
both, looking forward to the final version 6 release.
Right now you can buy version 5 and
Hi Nick
I don't know how my site looks on a Mac (I don't have one and am not going
to waste my money on one), but it's to be expected.
But as my PS said, I am changing the site. Can't be bothered to do to much
to it at the moment as I don't need extra work and it works for the vast
majority
I use the code view in Dreamweaver MX 2004, and I do a lot of hand coding
still. I also have used TopStyle from time to time, great little utility. =)
Jeremy S.
www.jezzjournal.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of helmut
Sent: June 5, 2004
helmut wrote:
What CSS/XHTML/HTML editors do you guys use for hand coding and testing?
Under Windows, i'm currently using HTML-Kit, nice editor with standards
support.
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Title: RE:[WSG] What Editors do you guys use?
I use Notepad. I like to KISS (Keep it Simple Stupid).
On Windows I use Homesite+ or XML SPY for HTML stuff Topstyle Pro for
CSS stuff (great combination), sometimes I use HTML-Kit as well (free-be
product)
I also use BBEdit on Mac
Cheers
Jeff Lowder
Accessibility 1st
Website: www.accessibility1st.com.au
Blog: www.accessibility1st.com.au/journal/
Title: [WSG] Which editors do you guys recommend?
I've been searching for a good editor (don't say BBEdit) that has syntax highlighting and will not insert stuff (like if I type '(' in a script tag the editor will insert a ')' right after it, I don't like that).
Until then it's note pad
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