RE: [WSG] xforms
Lachlan wrote: This is the most comprehensive site I've found : http://xforms.dstc.edu.au/index.html I was at a lecture by Dr Hoylen Sue on Xforms yesterday. One of the people responsible for that web site. Xforms looks promising, especially if you look at the online demos with the right tools (but they are few and far between on the browser side). He mentioned FormsPlayer: http://www.formsplayer.com/ a proprietary solution and rather hefty 5mb plugin or X-Smiles: http://www.xsmiles.org/ a java web browser as two option to view the client side demos. Got formsplayer running and xforms is impressive, I would suggest if you have 20 minutes to spare go get the plugin and look at the demos on http://xforms.dstc.edu.au/ and play with Suncorp loan application form, see sections of questions appear depending on your answer to a question. The server side solution using an Xforms server such as Chiba http://chiba.sourceforge.net/ is probably the only solution in the anything but a small intranet environment, but it does give the full power of xforms. Nick * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Disapearing list in Firefox 0.9
Hi Bhuvnesh, When I hover the mouse over an un-ordered list, the list simply disappears in FireFox 0.9. Does anybody have a remedy ? Let's check we have all the available information on this one: You have an unstyled unordered list inside the body of an otherwise empty, yet valid (x)HTML page - and when this page is rendered in Firefox 0.9 and the mouse pointer moved over the list, the list disappears? Is your page publicly accessible (and if so, can you provide a URL)? Regards, Ben * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Problems in Firefox and IE 5.0
Please got to www.seoed.com with Firefox or IE 5.0. In Firefox the content section is over the menu, if you refresh the page it will stay where it should. In IE 5.0 the main content section is too narrow. The css files: http://www.seoed.com/stylesheets/default.css http://www.seoed.com/stylesheets/content.css http://www.seoed.com/stylesheets/left.css http://www.seoed.com/stylesheets/right.css Any ideas? I'm using position absolute, any other better options? -- Razvan Pop http://www.seoed.com http://compliant-websites.seoed.com - Standards Compliant Websites Directory * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Ten questions for Richard rutter
On 1 Jul 2004, at 04:19, russ - maxdesign wrote: Richard Rutter, of Clagnut fame (http://www.clagnut.com/) talks about liquid layouts, scaling images access keys, ems, and the standards-based rebuild of Multimap. Thanks Russ. If anyone has any comments on the www.multimap.com rebuild please speak your mind. And if you find any validation errors or any other serious problems please can you email me directly at richard -at- multimap.com cheers, Rich www.clagnut.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Quick Accessibility Quiz
I've just posted up a quick accessibility quiz on my site. http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2004/07/ quick_accessibility_quiz_now_with_prizes/ The first 3 people with the correct answers and reasoning (as judged by me) will win a free GMail account (assuming I can remember my password). Enjoy Andy Budd * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Quick Accessibility Quiz
That was good, well while the server held out anyway mike 2k:)2 -Original Message- From: Andy Budd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 July 2004 09:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Quick Accessibility Quiz I've just posted up a quick accessibility quiz on my site. http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2004/07/ quick_accessibility_quiz_now_with_prizes/ The first 3 people with the correct answers and reasoning (as judged by me) will win a free GMail account (assuming I can remember my password). Enjoy Andy Budd * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] xforms
Barry Beattie wrote: You'll need to choose your favorite XForms implementation huh? are these just IDE's for building XForms? No, these are not developing environments, they are to XForms what a browser is to HTML or a Flash player is to a Flash movie. It seems that the next version of ColdFusion will be using XForms as a version of CFFORM / Don't know about CF. but to tie it back to standards, what versions of older browsers support XForms? None of the browsers I know has implemented XForms natively. Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] My CSS not multi browser - help needed
Hello all, this is my first attempt at moving from tables to CSS for layout: http://www.ppa.org.uk/test/afc/no_tables/home.htm Looks as expected in IE6 but navigation does not float as expected in Opera and in Mozilla the footer moves to the top of the page. Any help, advice, or guidancewould be greatly appreciated. The stylesheet controlling the layout is http://www.ppa.org.uk/test/afc/no_tables/css/layout.css Thanx in advance. Please visit the PPA Website at: www.ppa.org.uk Rob O'NeillWeb Team ManagerPrescription Pricing AuthorityBridge House152 Pilgrim StreetNewcastle Upon TyneNE1 6SN email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: (0191) 203 5246ext: 5246 *** IMPORTANT NOTICE *** *** PPA DISCLAIMER*** This e-mail and any attachments transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies subsequently transmitted (which may contain alterations), contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. The content of this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the person authorised as responsible for delivery to the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this e-mail or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Network Team at the Prescription Pricing Authority via e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] including a copy of this message. Please then delete this e-mail and destroy any copies of it. Further, we make every effort to keep our network free from viruses. However, you do need to validate this e-mail and any attachments to it for viruses, as we can take no responsibility for any computer virus that might be transferred by way of this e-mail. This e-mail is from the Prescription Pricing Authority whose principal office is at Bridge House, 152 Pilgrim Street, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, NE1 6SN. Switchboard Telephone Number :- +44 (0)191 232 5371
Re: [WSG] Disapearing list in Firefox 0.9
Ben Bishop wrote: You have an unstyled unordered list inside the body of an otherwise empty, yet valid (x)HTML page - and when this page is rendered in Firefox 0.9 and the mouse pointer moved over the list, the list disappears? That would be a pretty big bug even for Microsoft to let slip through. I think it's safe to assume some vital info is missing. BTW, Did you validate? If not, it's a good place to start before posting your question. ...can you provide a URL? What? And make it so we don't have to guess? Are you looking to spoil everyones the fun?
RE: [WSG] My CSS not multi browser - help needed
There's a few issues I could point out. Firstly, there are plenty of good fixed width 2 column layouts with a header and footer that will help show you some good practices. A google search for css layouts will help there. I thought about listing the most important issues regarding css positioning. First up though, I did a quick hack of the css you had and also deleted a couple of superfluous divs that weren't needed in the html. Have a look http://www.horologe.com.au/ppa/home.htm http://www.horologe.com.au/ppa/css/layout.css It's not real pretty or optimal or well tested but hopefully, looking at the differences in the two (your version vs my edit) should help show you what you're doing that's making it look strange in Moz. I would point out that IE's ahem - shortcomings are teaching you some rather nasty habits. Try developing your layouts with a browser which does layouts in a more...sensible fashion and then adjust for IE's quirks later. Let us know your questions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert O'Neill Sent: Thursday, 1 July 2004 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] My CSS not multi browser - help needed Hello all, this is my first attempt at moving from tables to CSS for layout: http://www.ppa.org.uk/test/afc/no_tables/home.htm Looks as expected in IE6 but navigation does not float as expected in Opera and in Mozilla the footer moves to the top of the page. Any help, advice, or guidance would be greatly appreciated. The stylesheet controlling the layout is http://www.ppa.org.uk/test/afc/no_tables/css/layout.css Thanx in advance. Please visit the PPA Website at: www.ppa.org.uk Rob O'Neill Web Team Manager Prescription Pricing Authority Bridge House 152 Pilgrim Street Newcastle Upon Tyne NE1 6SN email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: (0191) 203 5246 ext: 5246 *** IMPORTANT NOTICE *** *** PPA DISCLAIMER *** This e-mail and any attachments transmitted with it, including replies and forwarded copies subsequently transmitted (which may contain alterations), contains information which may be confidential and which may also be privileged. The content of this e-mail is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the person authorised as responsible for delivery to the intended recipient(s), please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this e-mail or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the Network Team at the Prescription Pricing Authority via e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] including a copy of this message. Please then delete this e-mail and destroy any copies of it. Further, we make every effort to keep our network free from viruses. However, you do need to validate this e-mail and any attachments to it for viruses, as we can take no responsibility for any computer virus that might be transferred by way of this e-mail. This e-mail is from the Prescription Pricing Authority whose principal office is at Bridge House, 152 Pilgrim Street, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, NE1 6SN. Switchboard Telephone Number :- +44 (0)191 232 5371 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch
When I validate my page, I get the following message (which doesn't invalidate the page, but I still want to fix it): The character encoding specified in the HTTP header (utf-8) is different from the value in the meta element (iso-8859-1). I will use the value from the HTTP header (utf-8) for this validation. Here's my header: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en And here's the meta tag: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 / I'd like to keep the iso-8859-1 value, just because it seems to work better with some characters on my page, but how do I change the header to match it? Or would I be better off just changing to a UTF-8 encoding? Thanks, -Sage [BTW, if you can't tell, I mostly don't know what I'm talking about, so educate me as you see fit ;-) ]. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] The Tables Revenge
Hi, I've read this, and found it useful but isn't it retrograde making div's into table cells so we can style non tabular data in a table ? http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/ equal_height_boxes_with_css_part_ii/ C * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Quick Accessibility Quiz
Hello Andy, Let's give this a go. Q1. To get an A rating you need to A. Provide an HTML equivalent for image based navigation and Avoid using colour for important information Reasons: 1.1 Provide a text equivalent for every non-text element (e.g., via alt, longdesc, or in element content). This includes: images, graphical representations of text (including symbols), image map regions, animations (e.g., animated GIFs), applets and programmatic objects, ascii art, frames, scripts, images used as list bullets, spacers, graphical buttons, sounds (played with or without user interaction), stand-alone audio files, audio tracks of video, and video. [Priority 1] 2.1 Ensure that all information conveyed with color is also available without color, for example from context or markup. [Priority 1] Q2. To get a AA rating you must A. Use relative rather than absolute units and Avoid deprecated tags like b and i Reasons: 3.4 Use relative rather than absolute units in markup language attribute values and style sheet property values. [Priority 2] 11.2 Avoid deprecated features of W3C technologies. [Priority 2] Q3. To get a AA rating you must also A. None of the above Reasons: 1.1 Provide a text equivalent for every non-text element (e.g., via alt, longdesc, or in element content). This includes: images, graphical representations of text (including symbols), image map regions, animations (e.g., animated GIFs), applets and programmatic objects, ascii art, frames, scripts, images used as list bullets, spacers, graphical buttons, sounds (played with or without user interaction), stand-alone audio files, audio tracks of video, and video. [Priority 1] 5.3 Do not use tables for layout unless the table makes sense when linearized. Otherwise, if the table does not make sense, provide an alternative equivalent (which may be a linearized version). [Priority 2] 6.3 Ensure that pages are usable when scripts, applets, or other programmatic objects are turned off or not supported. If this is not possible, provide equivalent information on an alternative accessible page. [Priority 1] 6.4 For scripts and applets, ensure that event handlers are input device-independent. [Priority 2] 8.1 Make programmatic elements such as scripts and applets directly accessible or compatible with assistive technologies [Priority 1 if functionality is important and not presented elsewhere, otherwise Priority 2.] 9.2 Ensure that any element that has its own interface can be operated in a device-independent manner. [Priority 2] 9.3 For scripts, specify logical event handlers rather than device-dependent event handlers. [Priority 2] 12.3 Divide large blocks of information into more manageable groups where natural and appropriate. [Priority 2] For example, in HTML, use OPTGROUP to group OPTION elements inside a SELECT; group form controls with FIELDSET and LEGEND; use nested lists where appropriate; use headings to structure documents, etc. Refer also to guideline 3. 12.4 Associate labels explicitly with their controls. [Priority 2] For example, in HTML use LABEL and its for attribute. Q4. To get a AAA rating you must A. All of the above Reasons: 1.5 Until user agents render text equivalents for client-side image map links, provide redundant text links for each active region of a client-side image map. [Priority 3] 3.3 Use style sheets to control layout and presentation. [Priority 2] 13.4 Use navigation mechanisms in a consistent manner. [Priority 2] 14.3 Create a style of presentation that is consistent across pages. [Priority 3] Q5. Which site is more accessible? A. A site with a AA rating Reasons: Section 508 is a sub-set of WCAG. Section 508 has elements from Priority 1, 2 and 3, but ignores several things from Priority 1. Priority 1 is considered core requirements. Additionally, Section 508 does not require validated codes. The reason it doesn't is because they felt it was not important. However, there are assistive technologies that require knowing what the DTD is to handle the presentation of the page correctly. To put it short and sweet, Section 508 is not as accessible as Level A and surely not as accessible as Level AA. That means of your list the correct answer would be a web page that is Level AA compliant. However, I always strive for AAA compliance when doing accessibility work. Thanks, Lee Roberts http://www.applepiecart.com http://www.roserockdesign.com -Original Message- From: Andy Budd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 2:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Quick Accessibility Quiz I've just posted up a quick accessibility quiz on my site. http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2004/07/ quick_accessibility_quiz_now_with_prizes/ The first 3 people with the correct answers and reasoning (as judged by me) will win a free GMail account (assuming I can remember my password). Enjoy Andy Budd
Re: [WSG] Quick Accessibility Quiz
Lee Roberts wrote: Q2. To get a AA rating you must A. Use relative rather than absolute units and Avoid deprecated tags like b and i Reasons: 3.4 Use relative rather than absolute units in markup language attribute values and style sheet property values. [Priority 2] 11.2 Avoid deprecated features of W3C technologies. [Priority 2] b and i are not deprecated :p http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/present/graphics.html#h-15.2.1 Tonico -- Tonico Strasser ?:-) http://Tonico.FreeZope.org Contact_Tonico at Yahoo dot de Check out http://www.WebProducer.at * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] IFR
Im pulling my brains out trying to get SI_IFR to work; my page keeps saying movie not loaded; i've read his article a hundred times over; and ive even downloaded his .fla's to work with, but nothing is working. HAs anyone got a simpe method of using this tech? or a online example that breaksdown exaclty how to edit the .fla files? kind regards _ Get a Credit Card - 60 sec online response: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;8097459;9106288;b?http://www.anz.com/aus/promo/qantas5000ninemsn [AU only] * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Disapearing list in Firefox 0.9
I have just put the test page on a web server. The URL is: http://www.rba.gov.au/BC_Test/overview.jsp The stylesheets are: http://www.rba.gov.au/BC_Test/_Stylesheets/conf04_presentation.css http://www.rba.gov.au/BC_Test/_Stylesheets/Conf04-advanced.css http://www.rba.gov.au/BC_Test/_Stylesheets/conf04_media.css Thanks Bhuvnesh Chaudhry -Original Message- From: Ben Bishop [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 1 July 2004 16:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Disapearing list in Firefox 0.9 Hi Bhuvnesh, When I hover the mouse over an un-ordered list, the list simply disappears in FireFox 0.9. Does anybody have a remedy ? Let's check we have all the available information on this one: You have an unstyled unordered list inside the body of an otherwise empty, yet valid (x)HTML page - and when this page is rendered in Firefox 0.9 and the mouse pointer moved over the list, the list disappears? Is your page publicly accessible (and if so, can you provide a URL)? Regards, Ben * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * This e-mail message (along with any attachments) is intended only for the named addressee and could contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any dissemination, copying or use of any of the information is prohibited. Please notify us immediately by return e-mail if you are not the intended recipient and delete all copies of the original message and attachments. This footnote also confirms that this message has been checked for computer viruses. * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Disapearing list in Firefox 0.9
CHAUDHRY, Bhuvnesh wrote: I have just put the test page on a web server. The URL is: http://www.rba.gov.au/BC_Test/overview.jsp As indicated by both Mordechai and Ben, you should really validate your code before asking for help. It is an easy, automated way of pointing out potential bug sources In this case, you have given two elements the id of nav. This does not comply with the W3C specs. 'id' is only to be used once on each page, whereas 'class' may be used repeatedly (or only once). The problem with your initial testing having been done in IE is that IE incorrectly allows multiple IDs. Try Firefox 0.9 or another compliant browser as your main testing browser and refer back to others (such as IE) for bug testing I suggest that you follow these links and correct all errors (not too many, actually) to see if that fixes your problem : http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A//www.rba.gov.au/BC_Test/overview.jsp http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2warning=2uri=http%3A//www.rba.gov.au/BC_Test/overview.jsp Oh, and I also noticed that you use 'Ul' in your CSS code. Firefox (and I think, many other browsers) are case-sensitive. As such, 'Ul' is different to 'ul'. This may also cause you some trouble Hope that helps! Cheers, Lachlan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] IFR
Another Image Replacement technique using flash and js. http://www.shauninman.com/mentary/past/ifr_an_fir_alternative.php http://jeffcroft.com/ is now using the technique. Ian. You will have to explain a bit more about what you are trying to do - what is SI_IFR, do you have any links to examples and what is the relevance of it to web standards. Cheers James 7 sinz wrote: Im pulling my brains out trying to get SI_IFR to work; * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * -- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] xforms
On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:57:08 +1000, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that the next version of ColdFusion will be using XForms as a version of CFFORM / Correct. According to what has been demo'd you will be able to auto-generate XForms from a simple form specification using cfform and the 'skinning' is done server side (by specifying an XSL file in cfform). If you're targetting an XForm-capable browser, I guess you could supply an empty XSL transform... * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] fieldset is REQUIRED
After getting: Error: element label not allowed here; possible cause is an inline element containing a block-level element. I finally figured out that a fieldset is required for XHTML1.1. However, after after doing some checking I couldn't find anything at the W3C about it in anything which passes even for their version of plain English. Sure, in the DTD's, grammars, etc., I found it stated, but not in anything which doesn't remind me of some of college classes. ot type=contemplation rel=computer-hw It's amazing how little computers have changed in the last 25 years. Sure, they've become orders of magnitude more powerful and are therefor able to do so much more. But are they really different from the old TRS-80 Model I Level 2 which the guy at Radio Shack let me play with? /ot * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Disapearing list in Firefox 0.9
My stupid, uncaffeinated self just wrote: 'id' is only to be used once on each page, whereas 'class' may be used repeatedly (or only once). Despite proof-reading it twice, I missed a major blunder : I was referring to each specific 'id', such as nav. Therefore the sentence should have read: Each 'id' is only to be used once on each page, whereas each 'class' may be used repeatedly (or only once). Ugh. I'm going for more coffee * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] IFR
Its a flash image replacement tech; from Shaun Inman.. hence the name SI_IFR sorry to confuse you bwout its relavence to standards, but people in the know was my target audience.. From: James Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] IFR Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 23:19:57 + You will have to explain a bit more about what you are trying to do - what is SI_IFR, do you have any links to examples and what is the relevance of it to web standards. Cheers James 7 sinz wrote: Im pulling my brains out trying to get SI_IFR to work; * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * _ Open an Online Savings Account today collect a bonus $30*! http://clk.atdmt.com/1DG/go/hsb005000991dg/direct/01/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch
Sage Olson wrote: Here's my header: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en That's not you HTTP header. The HTTP headers are sent by the server before even the first byte of your document is sent. That's why inn PHP, if you're playing with the headers there can't be so much as a blank space befor the ?php. And here's the meta tag: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 / Notice it says http-equiv, as in only equivlant, but not the real thing. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Disapearing list in Firefox 0.9
I have just put the test page on a web server. The URL is: http://www.rba.gov.au/BC_Test/overview.jsp To find out what was going with your list, I used Pixy's excellent List Computed Styles favelet (http://pixy.cz/blog/favelets/) Changing the default font-size to display, then visible showed no styles affecting the visibility of the list. But check the color and you'll see the li is inheriting the #fff of your a:hover It's all smoke and mirrors. The list never leaves the page, just camouflaged. White font color against white background. Easy fix: change the a name=content / to a name=content/a You might also rethink colouring your a:hover white. - ben * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] fieldset is REQUIRED
I cant remember if it was the same thing, but i think it just means, inputs and form elements MUST be inside a Block element.. Something to do with that? Sorry I cant be of more help - I just know you arent required to have a fieldset... its just to do with the presence of a block element! Mordechai Peller wrote: After getting: Error: element label not allowed here; possible cause is an inline element containing a block-level element. I finally figured out that a fieldset is required for XHTML1.1. However, after after doing some checking I couldn't find anything at the W3C about it in anything which passes even for their version of plain English. Sure, in the DTD's, grammars, etc., I found it stated, but not in anything which doesn't remind me of some of college classes. ot type=contemplation rel=computer-hw It's amazing how little computers have changed in the last 25 years. Sure, they've become orders of magnitude more powerful and are therefor able to do so much more. But are they really different from the old TRS-80 Model I Level 2 which the guy at Radio Shack let me play with? /ot * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] The man in blue - presentation to Melbourne WSG
As many of you may know, Cameron (the man in blue) gave a talk to Melbourne WSG recently. He has just posted a more eloquent enunciation of the ideas in the first half of his presentation... http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/07/02/ Enjoy. Russ The Australian Museum. Australia's first - and leading - natural sciences and anthropology museum. Visit www.amonline.net.au The views in this email are those of the user and do not necessarily reflect the views of the Australian Museum. The information contained in this email message and any accompanying files is or may be confidential and is for the intended recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, dissemination, reliance, forwarding, printing or copying of this email or any attached files is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender.The Australian Museum does not guarantee the accuracy of any information contained in this e-mail or attached files. As Internet communications are not secure, the Australian Museum does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message or attached files.
Re: [WSG] Character Encoding Mismatch
Hi Sage, When I validate my page, I get the following message The character encoding specified in the HTTP header (utf-8) is different from the value in the meta element (iso-8859-1). I'd like to keep the iso-8859-1 value, just because it seems to work Your web server (eg Apache) sends the character encoding HTTP header. In order to match up your HTTP header to your meta-equiv you would need to make the change server-side, something you might not have access to do. This simplest way to match them would be changing your meta tags. Implications? Check Anne van Kesteren's (of 10 Questions fame: http://webstandardsgroup.org/features/anne-van-kesteren.cfm ) Quick Guide to UTF-8 http://annevankesteren.nl/archives/2004/06/utf-8 If you're really keen, you can find out more about specifying the character encoding at: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/charset.html#h-5.2.2 - ben * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
I will be out of the office on Friday, 7-2-04 returning on Tuesday, 7-6-04. Enjoy the Fourth of July weekend! Thank you, Lezli Cline * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] xforms
hang on Sean, I'm confused. is it either: the XFORM transformation is on the server and that pushes out HTML/JS/CSS to the browser? or it just sends the XML and XSL for the browser to handle (if so, what browsers will support this - just Mozilla)? just trying to get a handle on how useful XForms will be, esp from a webstandards, supported platforms point of view. thanx barry.b -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 2 July 2004 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] xforms On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:57:08 +1000, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that the next version of ColdFusion will be using XForms as a version of CFFORM / Correct. According to what has been demo'd you will be able to auto-generate XForms from a simple form specification using cfform and the 'skinning' is done server side (by specifying an XSL file in cfform). If you're targetting an XForm-capable browser, I guess you could supply an empty XSL transform... * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] fieldset is REQUIRED
Mordechai, are you saying that, for XHTML1.1 complience, that a label and it's associated form element needs to be within a fieldset? if so, we've got a few changes to do around here ... D'oh! thanx barry.b -Original Message- From: Mordechai Peller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 2 July 2004 10:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] fieldset is REQUIRED After getting: Error: element label not allowed here; possible cause is an inline element containing a block-level element. I finally figured out that a fieldset is required for XHTML1.1. However, after after doing some checking I couldn't find anything at the W3C about it in anything which passes even for their version of plain English. Sure, in the DTD's, grammars, etc., I found it stated, but not in anything which doesn't remind me of some of college classes. ot type=contemplation rel=computer-hw It's amazing how little computers have changed in the last 25 years. Sure, they've become orders of magnitude more powerful and are therefor able to do so much more. But are they really different from the old TRS-80 Model I Level 2 which the guy at Radio Shack let me play with? /ot * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
