RE: [WSG] What CMSs are Developers Using
I'm using Jahia CMS at work (www.jahia.org), however commercial license is pricey. Jahia allows you to develop templates from scratch so the site and content can be as standard as you want to make it. The admin and content management interface would not be classed as standards-based or accessible but if you really needed to, say if Content Editors would be using assistive technologies, you could go through the source and fix it up. Mt. -Original Message- From: Geoff Deering [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 3:27 PM To: WebStandardsGroup Subject: [WSG] What CMSs are Developers Using Hi, Can I ask what commercial and/or open source CMSs developers on this list use, which ones they prefer, ones they don't like (and for what reasons). I am asking from the point of view of providing clients with easy to use interfaces, whilst maintaining standards based markup? Is anyone using Apache/Cocoon/Lenya, Apache/AxKit or Forrest? Regards Geoff Deering * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] What CMSs are Developers Using
The WSG has a new (since Jan 2004) mailing list for discussion on Content Management. http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/index.cfm?resource_id=131 archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/cms%40webstandardsgroup.org/ -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Geoff Deering wrote: Hi, Can I ask what commercial and/or open source CMSs developers on this list use, which ones they prefer, ones they don't like (and for what reasons). I am asking from the point of view of providing clients with easy to use interfaces, whilst maintaining standards based markup? Is anyone using Apache/Cocoon/Lenya, Apache/AxKit or Forrest? Regards Geoff Deering * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] What CMSs are Developers Using
Quoting Geoff Deering [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can I ask what commercial and/or open source CMSs developers on this list use, which ones they prefer, ones they don't like (and for what reasons). As per the guidelines please post CMS related questions to [WSG-CMS]: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource131.cfm -- tim - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Styling Text...
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Re: [WSG] Please use plain text in emails
On 5 jul 2004, at 06.58, Hugh Todd wrote: So, please use plain text in emails if you want to be read. I second that. Tiny, unreadable text = I hit the delete key. /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Please use plain text in emails
On Monday, July 5, 2004, at 02:58 PM, Hugh Todd wrote: We've had many, many calls for emails to this list to be posted in plain text rather than HTML or rich text. May I reiterate the call? A fair number of recent emails have shown up in my email client with tiny, hard-to-read text. So, please use plain text in emails if you want to be read. Hear, hear. Try View Source on a HTML or RT message - tag soup, with croutons! We spend so much energy on Standards for our sites - how about applying the principals to mail? The messages will be smaller, quicker - everyone will benefit, not the least the list admin! Thanks - Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Looking for help and critiques on a new site
Seona
Your page seem to have a problem with horizontal scrolling, I noticed it when I tried
to tab through your menu and
ended up off the main screen after hitting the 'Bathroom' heading... I don't know
enough about CSS (yet :) to work out
why this happens so I hope someone else will be able to help you.
Checked on PC in IE 5.5, Netscape 7.1, Firefox and Opera 7.51 (in the last two
browsers the nav menu didn't work very
well and in the last three browsers the base font comes out much too small)
One more thing... the menu resizes badly in 800x600 res.
cheers
Iza
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/07/04 12:36
Seona,
Messages get missed. People are busy and help when they can. Don't read
anything into it :)
1. your first problem is due to this:
a name=topnbsp;/a
Take out the non-breaking space and your columns will sit against the top of
the viewport.
It affected the left and middle column because they are in normal flow and
did not affect the logo in the top right corner as it was absolutely
positioned (out of normal flow). Email me offlist if this is still unclear.
To troubleshoot these sort of problems, the ultimate method is to gradually
delete items off the page until you fix the problem. Then restore gradually
once you have isolated to offending css rule of html code. And yes, there
may be times when the last line left on the page is the offending one. :)
2. your other problem is the bottom left corner. The method you are using
requires you to use a non-transparent top rounded corner image (rather than
a transparent image) otherwise the parent divs background will show through
(as it does in your sample).
You might be better off taking off the orange colour and border off and
applying them using another method.
#specials_panel {
border-right: 2px solid #FF; /* remove */
background-color: #FFCC00; /* remove */
margin-top: 10px; }
Again, if this makes no sense (writing it a bit of a rush here) email me
offlist
Critiques? Apologies that these are all negative but here goes...
1. Your page suffers from what many refer to as id-it is (unnecessary ids
scattered around the page. Use descendant selectors to achieve the same
result without the need for additional ids
2. The edges of some of your images dither badly against the background
image - leaving a slight halo of unwanted colour. Hard to overcome when
applied on top of a patterned background but if you cut the images out of a
similar colour to the background you will achieve a better result.
3. some issues to do with absolute positioning and static content when the
viewport is very narrow.
4. the right nav dropdown breaks in Safari (haven't tested any other
browser)
HTH and good luck!
Russ
So I'm left with a few possible conclusions:
a) The questions weren't on-topic enough to be worth answering - don't think
this one is the case.
b) The questions weren't interesting enough to be worth answering.
c) I'm just chatting to myself here - really hope this one isn't the case.
Anyway, the page can be seen at:
http://216.119.123.23
It's still very much under construction, so most of the links don't work yet
- just a warning. :)
The css is at:
http://216.119.123.23/_styles/sample.css
So, help, advice and critiques are greatly welcomed.
Cheers,
Seona.
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RE: [WSG] What CMSs are Developers Using
-Original Message- From: Tim Lucas Quoting Geoff Deering [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can I ask what commercial and/or open source CMSs developers on this list use, which ones they prefer, ones they don't like (and for what reasons). As per the guidelines please post CMS related questions to [WSG-CMS]: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource131.cfm -- tim Thanks, just have. Didn't even know that was there until you have pointed it out. Geoff * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] What CMSs are Developers Using
Neerav wrote: The WSG has a new (since Jan 2004) mailing list for discussion on Content Management. Unfortunately, the level of activity isn't exactly spectacular. Anyway, thanks for link to the archive; I don't remember seeing it listed in the resources when I looked a few weeks backs. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Styling Text... (Andy Budd Accessibility Quiz)
Geoff Deering wrote: That is a very very poor quiz, and shows the author does not understand WCAG1 very well at all. Actually, it shows more that he does not know how to form the proper questions. The quality of the questions and quiz aside, why do you think the author doesn't understand WCAG!? My impression was the opposite. Hi Geoff, How sweet. Obviously it was just meant to be a bit of fun, but I guess you always get one or two party poopers. I'm planning to post up my answers later this evening, so please feel free to come by my site and rip them/me apart in person. Andy Budd * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] PHP sessions problem terminated!
Many thanks to
Toni Viemer, AndersN, Anders Nawroth and Jeremy Keith
People who care, and the one line
ini_set('arg_separator.output', 'amp;');
in global PHP script make me happy with standards compliance markup
Thank You
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[WSG] hand coding versus code generators
Im a new boy to the discussion group. Pointed in this direction by Jeffery Zeldman's 'Designing with Web Standards'. I must say Web Standardshas been a 'breathe of fresh air' for me. Its the way forward, for sure. What Im not so sure about is using a code generator eg. Dreamweaver. Ive always hand coded my HTML, _javascript_, ASP, SQLetc using a text editor (past 4 years). What do people think about hand coding versus code generators? What percentage of developers totally hand code, use both, use only code generators? regards Simon
Re: [WSG] hand coding versus code generators
Simon Hand coding and Dreamweaver dont need to be thought of as separate, I hand code, sometimes in a fancy text editor, sometimes in Dreamweaver MX 2004's Code/Split View depending on the type of work. Previously I wouldnt have bothered with Dreamweaver but as of this latest version it can be set to generate pure XHTML so im happy with it -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav simon @ london web mill wrote: Im a new boy to the discussion group. Pointed in this direction by Jeffery Zeldman's 'Designing with Web Standards'. I must say Web Standards has been a 'breathe of fresh air' for me. Its the way forward, for sure. What Im not so sure about is using a code generator eg. Dreamweaver. Ive always hand coded my HTML, javascript, ASP, SQL etc using a text editor (past 4 years). What do people think about hand coding versus code generators? What percentage of developers totally hand code, use both, use only code generators? regards Simon * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] hand coding versus code generators
Well as far as standards are concered hand coding is the way to go, there just no tools out there that are good enuff to use... Sure Dreamweaver and other now markup there code 100x Better than the earlyer versions and also will make your code compatible, but still in a restrictive way. Also its so much quicker to develope via hand coding once you know it. I started off with Dreamweaver 2 and soon found myself in code view more then design view. Still to this day do i use Dreamweaver to code, but ive not even looked at any of the extra feature in it all i use is the built in ftp/file manager and code view.. and i wouldnt change it for the world, unless homesite had the ftp/file manager that Dreamweaver has Mark Harwood zinkmedia.co.uk * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] What do you consider to be the minimum Accessibility level to cover legal requirements?
Title: Message Hi all, I'm about to rewrite the technical standardsfor theacceptance of external, and independent,web resources. At present they are only guidelines and they suggest: Compliance to WAI priority one (plus a little). W3C validated coding with allowable exceptions. E.g. Flash. The guidelines were setover 18 months ago. Now they are due for review prior to the final part of the DDA coming into UK law. It would be improper forme todictate full WAI compliance if it is not a legal necessity. Though itisa requirementto insist on meeting the legal minimum. I was thinking (as a minimum): Alt tagsforall: Navigationimages, form image buttons and text in images. Colour must notbe used as the sole method of highlightinginformation No flickering or blinking inimages or text. Data tables require row and column headers. (same as priority one) Each frame requires a titleand mustpoint to a valid (X)HTML document. Ensure that content areas are available and navigablewith _javascript_ / Java applets / Flash switched off. Supply a text transcriptto any multimedia objects. Ensure sufficient colour contrast. Content availableand navigable via keyboard. Implicit form label associations (title before input). Along with recommendations to fullycomply with the WAI priority one and W3C validation. What do you think? Too much or too little? cheers. mike 2k:)2 Mike Foskett Web Support Officer - Programming Multimedia Publishing and Production British Educational Communications and Technology Agency (BECTa) Milburn Hill Road, Science Park, Coventry CV4 7JJ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 02476 416994 Ext3342Fax: 02476 411410 www.becta.org.uk ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com **
RE: [WSG] hand coding versus code generators
Peeps, I learnt HTML with Dreamweaver v2 but moved up to a text editor (Textpad). This only changed recently when I bought a Powerbook. I needed an interface that was basically the same on Mac and PC. Sadly, that meant reverting to Dreamweaver 2004 MX code view. Six months now and I'm still only getting used to it. mike 2k:)2 -Original Message- From: Neerav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 12:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] hand coding versus code generators Simon Hand coding and Dreamweaver dont need to be thought of as separate, I hand code, sometimes in a fancy text editor, sometimes in Dreamweaver MX 2004's Code/Split View depending on the type of work. Previously I wouldnt have bothered with Dreamweaver but as of this latest version it can be set to generate pure XHTML so im happy with it -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav simon @ london web mill wrote: Im a new boy to the discussion group. Pointed in this direction by Jeffery Zeldman's 'Designing with Web Standards'. I must say Web Standards has been a 'breathe of fresh air' for me. Its the way forward, for sure. What Im not so sure about is using a code generator eg. Dreamweaver. Ive always hand coded my HTML, javascript, ASP, SQL etc using a text editor (past 4 years). What do people think about hand coding versus code generators? What percentage of developers totally hand code, use both, use only code generators? regards Simon * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] hand coding versus code generators
I gotta say that with the tools available these days anyone who prefers to use a plain text editor must be somewhat masochistic... ;-) of course that is just my wee opinion. I use dreamweaver MX 2004 for my front end coding and it is great. The days of dreamweaver mangling the code you had carefully written are long over. Now it comes with built in code validators, html tidy, great code sense, and other handy features like the ability to specify browser audience and then let Dw point out all the bits that are incompatible with certain browsers! Beyond that there arealso loads of other features, most of which I never use. Like photoshop though DW is just getting better and better, it is beginning to seem there is always some new thing you can do with it. As far as generating javascript goes DW is good for robot code, but nothing will beat a well program script by a human. Most of my work as a web designer sees me in the code view, but I have more recently begun using the design view for something else in my ID/IA role... fast prototyping... If I want to whip up a site in minutes I can just use the design view . The code isn't pretty, but it isn't too bad either and for fast prototypes they only need to work in one place for like quick test etc... So yes... I reckon DW is worth the price! s * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] hand coding versus code generators
On Monday, July 5, 2004, at 08:49 PM, simon @ london web mill wrote: Im a new boy to the discussion group. Pointed in this direction by Jeffery Zeldman's 'Designing with Web Standards'. I must say Web Standards has been a 'breathe of fresh air' for me. Its the way forward, for sure. What Im not so sure about is using a code generator eg. Dreamweaver. Ive always hand coded my HTML, javascript, ASP, SQL etc using a text editor (past 4 years). What do people think about hand coding versus code generators? What percentage of developers totally hand code, use both, use only code generators? regards Simon BBEdit - worth it's weight in gold. Any text editor that can give you syntax colouring is an absolute must. I have and use DW as well, although MX2004 is new for me and I haven't tested it thoroughly yet. As yet, not convinced it can handle CSS layouts using floats correctly, but the jury's still out... Generally, I trust WYSIWYG editors about as much as I trust IE6 to render my code correctly. Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Styling Text... (Andy Budd Accessibility Quiz)
Andy, You might want to run those by me since I help develop the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines. Lee Roberts -Original Message- From: Andy Budd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 3:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling Text... (Andy Budd Accessibility Quiz) Geoff Deering wrote: That is a very very poor quiz, and shows the author does not understand WCAG1 very well at all. Actually, it shows more that he does not know how to form the proper questions. The quality of the questions and quiz aside, why do you think the author doesn't understand WCAG!? My impression was the opposite. Hi Geoff, How sweet. Obviously it was just meant to be a bit of fun, but I guess you always get one or two party poopers. I'm planning to post up my answers later this evening, so please feel free to come by my site and rip them/me apart in person. Andy Budd * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] hand coding versus code generators
I've been trying to use Dreamweaver for years now but it's never cut it with me. Nearly all the annoyances have been ironed out with the new version except for one major one: The preview window just doesnt handle heavy use of CSS to layout pages. For some reason, the preview window gets it often (but not always) very wrong which means you end up having to keep refreshing a browser window to see how your page is rendered in a half decent fashion. If I've got to do that than I may as well use a text editor. In Homesite, the preview window uses the IE control which is not ideal but at least you know where you stand with it. TopStyle lets you have both Gecko and IE in the preview window with quick access keys to all the other browsers you have installed which is by far the best way. Does anyone else find this to be a major annoyance? For me, it's so bad I can't use the thing even though one or two of the features would be quite useful. On that subject though, most of Dreamweavers features try to write code for you, whether it be HTML, JavaScript or serverside code and that is just not a good idea. Quoting Benjamin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I started off in Dreamweaver 3 but quickly moved into handcoding found it far better and easier to manipulate pages than with a GUI editor. I cant go back to Dreamweaver, its slow its clunky and just doesn't cut it like homesite 5+ does. Benjamin Life through a Polaroid www.lifethroughapolaroid.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Styling Text... (Andy Budd Accessibility Quiz)
Title: RE: [WSG] Styling Text... (Andy Budd Accessibility Quiz) If you don't have anything constructive to say, don't say anything at all (please) -Original Message- From: Andy Budd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 3:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Styling Text... (Andy Budd Accessibility Quiz) Geoff Deering wrote: That is a very very poor quiz, and shows the author does not understand WCAG1 very well at all. Actually, it shows more that he does not know how to form the proper questions. The quality of the questions and quiz aside, why do you think the author doesn't understand WCAG!? My impression was the opposite.
Re: [WSG] [CLOSED] hand coding versus code generators
Hi Folks, This question us becoming a regular. Check out previous responses at: http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?format=shortconfig=wsg_webstandardsgroup_orgwords=editors Also look at (and contribute to) the Development and design tools category on WSG: http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/#cat30 If you'd like to participate in the survey of i) what people think about hand coding versus code generators? ii) what percentage of developers totally hand code, use both, use only code generators? Please email Simon offlist. Thanks, Ben WSG Core * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] hand coding versus code generators
Like others, I use Dreamweaver, but only its code view... I don't even use the Split Code/Design view anymore, because it can't handle CSS that well. For writing straight code though, DW has a lot of nice touches... the excellent syntax coloring (REALLY helpful when scanning through your code), the Autocomplete, and Find/Replace. Also, the integrated FTP program works brilliantly Instead of switching to another program to go upload your files, you just hit Command+Shift+U, and *bam*, it's up! The one and only problem I have with DW is that it won't let me upload .htaccess files, but other FTP programs do. -Sage On Jul 5, 2004, at 3:49 AM, simon @ london web mill wrote: Im a new boy to the discussion group. Pointed in this direction by Jeffery Zeldman's 'Designing with Web Standards'. I must say Web Standardshas been a 'breathe of fresh air' for me. Its the way forward, for sure. What Im not so sure about is using a code generator eg. Dreamweaver. Ive always hand coded my HTML, javascript, ASP, SQLetc using a text editor (past 4 years). What do people think about hand coding versus code generators? What percentage of developers totally hand code, use both, use only code generators? regards Simon * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Linking Background Images
Check out this article:
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/imagemap/
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Iain Gardiner
http://www.firelightning.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Shane Helm
Sent: 05 July 2004 19:50
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] Linking Background Images
This looks good. Is there a way to specify more links with one image?
What I mean is, can you make a background image an image map? Or better yet,
can you have a image referenced in CSS that have have
hot spots for the image to make it an image map? Or is the best
solution to have an image in the html file and specify the map there
(keeping content separated)? My true problem is that I have started
hand coding just about all my code, but I still have to rely on
Dreamweaver to click on my image and then put in hot spots for an image
map. Is there a better way or are image maps considered as being
unaccessible?
Sorry for all the questions. This may be all summed up in one answer.
Thank you,
Shane Helm
{ sonzeDesignStudioT
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[WSG] The Tables Revenge
Hi, I'm aware I've posted this twice, but I'm a little confused. I've read this, and found it useful but isn't it retrograde making div's into table cells so we can style non tabular data in a table ? http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200406/ equal_height_boxes_with_css_part_ii/ Complexity is good, complicated is bad. Paolo Soleri * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs
I was interested in making a site that had an iFrame that I could call
new html pages into.
So I've read that Scrolling Divs is the way to go vs. iFrames, but what
about in the case of wanting to call a new page into the iFrame? Can
this be done in a div (calling an html file into the div) or should an
iFrame be used in this case? Are iFrames old news, should I veer
totally away from them?
Thank you,
Shane Helm
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[WSG] Footer
I am very new to CSS, I have curently built a external style sheet for my page at http://www.hotkey.net.au/~marshalle/ Which works very nicely, But I have tried to find out how to add a footer to the page. I.E. to place a link back to the home page and a link to my guest book. This would be placed in the external style sheet so that it would appear on every page But to no availI just can't seem to get it right This is as far as I have got with the CSS http://www.hotkey.net.au/~marshalle/BASIC5.css Can you be so kind as to piont me in the right direction -- Ern Marshall In Vietnam we have lived hours of fraternal, warm and exalting nobility. Here for a few days we have ceased to be slaves and have really been men. It is hard to return to servitude. http://www.hotkey.net.au/~marshalle/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Footer
I am very new to CSS, I have curently built a external style sheet for my page at http://www.hotkey.net.au/~marshalle/ Which works very nicely, But I have tried to find out how to add a footer to the page. I.E. to place a link back to the home page and a link to my guest book. This would be placed in the external style sheet so that it would appear on every page But to no availI just can't seem to get it right This is as far as I have got with the CSS http://www.hotkey.net.au/~marshalle/BASIC5.css Can you be so kind as to piont me in the right direction -- Ern Marshall In Vietnam we have lived hours of fraternal, warm and exalting nobility. Here for a few days we have ceased to be slaves and have really been men. It is hard to return to servitude. http://www.hotkey.net.au/~marshalle/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Footer
G'day Ern, I think you misunderstand the purpose of the style sheet a little. There will be no footer on every page unless the HTML includes it, and then the CSS will decide how it looks. The footer will not be in the external CSS file, just the 'description' of how it would look if the HTML called for it. Incidentally, when loaded your web page in IE6, I got a General Fault. Something to do with the audio file - but it loaded anyway. Ern Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] .net.au To Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc group.org Subject [WSG] Footer 06/07/2004 09:18 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] roup.org I am very new to CSS, I have curently built a external style sheet for my page at http://www.hotkey.net.au/~marshalle/ Which works very nicely, But I have tried to find out how to add a footer to the page. I.E. to place a link back to the home page and a link to my guest book. This would be placed in the external style sheet so that it would appear on every page But to no availI just can't seem to get it right This is as far as I have got with the CSS http://www.hotkey.net.au/~marshalle/BASIC5.css Can you be so kind as to piont me in the right direction -- Ern Marshall In Vietnam we have lived hours of fraternal, warm and exalting nobility. Here for a few days we have ceased to be slaves and have really been men. It is hard to return to servitude. http://www.hotkey.net.au/~marshalle/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * = CAUTION: This message may contain both confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient any dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender immediately, then destroy the original message. Any views expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Peregrine Semiconductor Australia. All care has been taken to screen this message and attachments for computer viruses, however, we accept no responsibility for viruses it may contain. Peregrine Semiconductor Australia Pty Ltd 8 Herb Elliott Ave., Homebush 2140. NSW Australia. Ph. +612 9763 4111 Fax. +612 9746 1501 = * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] entities bug in camino
Marc Camino, like Firefox, is a beta release so it's going to have bugs in it. You should lodge these bugs at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/, rather than here and you'll get noticed by the Camino development team. HTH James Marc Greenstock wrote: Hi all, I hope this isn't too OT but I have discovered a bug in camino and doczilla. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs
G'day So I've read that Scrolling Divs is the way to go vs. iFrames, but what about in the case of wanting to call a new page into the iFrame? iFrame is valid XHTML 1 Transitional (and Frameset) but it is not available in the Strict DTD (and probably won't be available in future recommendations of XHTML). To embed a document in Strict, use the object element. Something like: object data=foo.html type=text/html width=500 height=300/object See www.w3.org/TR/html401/present/frames.html#edef-IFRAME And www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/objects.html#edef-OBJECT I do recall reading somewhere that it's possible to link a div to an external source (it used an attribute like data or src) but I think it was a Netscape-ism. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design www.bwdzine.com Fast-loading, user-friendly websites * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
CLOSED Re: [WSG] Styling Text... (Andy Budd Accessibility Quiz)
Hi all WCAG is on topic -please discuss all you want, but address the topic, not the person. The list is here to provide a constructive discussion on web standards and accessibility. If you want to be destructive or have a beef with the author, don't do it here as your subscription will be removed. Regards James http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm That is a very very poor quiz, and shows the author does not understand WCAG1 very well at all. Actually, it shows more that he does not know how to form the proper questions. --- The quality of the questions and quiz aside, why do you think the author doesn't understand WCAG!? My impression was the opposite. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] entities bug in camino
It's already a known bug listed many times W3 also know it http://www.w3.org/People/mimasa/test/xhtml/entities/ It's a problem for us (WSG Members) because current standards suggest we present the content type application/xhtml+xml instead of text/html. It is just something to be aware of. Marc - Original Message - From: James Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] entities bug in camino Marc Camino, like Firefox, is a beta release so it's going to have bugs in it. You should lodge these bugs at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/, rather than here and you'll get noticed by the Camino development team. HTH James Marc Greenstock wrote: Hi all, I hope this isn't too OT but I have discovered a bug in camino and doczilla. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Footer
Dear Ern Marshall,
style sheets mean exactly style sheets: they are intended to format your
code, not to store it; if you wish to store a piece of code to apply on more
than one page, you can use:
-server side includes (if your server provides them);
-php or asp to generate it;
-external client side scripts (javascript, vbscript);
-or pieces of inner html that also require scripting.
Over them, you can apply any style sheet you want.
A very simple script to attach to the page to write your links would be
something like:
var a='a href=myfirstpage.html class=linkstyleMy First Link/a'
var b='a href=secondpage.html class=linkstyleMy Second Link/a'
car c='p'+a+' '+b+'/p'
(you may find some validation errors on this, you can clean it using escape
characters or dividing the expression in smaller expressions so that ending
tags will not appear orphaned)
if you save this code as mylinks.js and then call the script to the head of
your page with a
script src=myjsfolder/myscript.js type=text/javascript/script
and if you put at the place you want the footer to appear (at the bottom of
your content) the code
script type=text/javascript
document.write(a);
/script
you will get a paragraph with your links on that place, written upon page
load.
If you prefere not to add code outside the head of the html file, you will
need to let your script detect the place where you want to put your links.
The easyest way to do that seams to be to use a span (or a div):
giving a span an id you can make id able browsers look for the span and
insert the markups piece you want:
so in your span you can make: span id=insert/span
and in the external script something like:
var a='a href=myfirstpage.html class=linkstyleMy First Link/a'
var b='a href=secondpage.html class=linkstyleMy Second Link/a'
var c=a+' '+b
//(since p/p is a block element you shouldn't use it inside a span)
//now the script will need to check for browsers capabilities
if (document.all){document.all.insert.innerHTML=c}
else if
(document.getElementById){document.getElementById(insert).innerHTML=c}
else document.write(c)
on the last option, if the browser doesn't handle inner html nor
document.getElementById it will write your footer anyway, just not at its
place, (actually at the top of the document, wich is not so nice) since it
doens't know where to put it.
It is also possible, on modern browsers to generate the code on load using
thedocument object model.
Anyway, it seams to me that if you want your site to comply the standards
and to be accessible (javascript links are not) you should look at your
server to know what server side technologies they provide and use them, or
simply write the links on the bottom of the page (it just one mark up line
anyway, just a simple copy paste, and it will save the loading of a script).
Hope it Helps,
Isabel Santos
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From: Ern Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:18 AM
Subject: [WSG] Footer
I am very new to CSS, I have curently built a external style sheet for
my page at
http://www.hotkey.net.au/~marshalle/
Which works very nicely, But I have tried to find out how to add a
footer to the page.
I.E. to place a link back to the home page and a link to my guest
book. This would be placed in the external style sheet so that it would
appear on every page
But to no availI just can't seem to get it right
This is as far as I have got with the CSS
http://www.hotkey.net.au/~marshalle/BASIC5.css
Can you be so kind as to piont me in the right direction
--
Ern Marshall
In Vietnam we have lived hours of fraternal, warm and exalting nobility.
Here for a few days we have ceased to be slaves and have really been men.
It is hard to return to servitude.
http://www.hotkey.net.au/~marshalle/
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[WSG] Quark and tagged PDFs
Title: Quark and tagged PDFs Hi, Does anyone know much about creating accessible PDFs using Quark? We're looking at ways to make our site fully accessible, and we use lots of PDFs. I've been reading about tagged PDFs and how screenreaders can read them, but I don't know enough about Quark. Our designers use it to create our PDFs (and it's quite unlikely they will change programs without a good reason). First of all, is it possible to do - can accessible PDFs be created using Quark, and if it is, is there much work involved? Thanks Cheryl ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ** The information contained in or attached to this message is intended only for the people it is addressed to. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this information is unauthorised and prohibited. This information may be confidential or subject to legal privilege. It is not the expressed view of the Commonwealth Bank of Australia or any of its subsidiaries, including Colonial First State Investments Limited, unless that is clearly stated. Commonwealth Bank of Australia or its subsidiaries cannot accept liability for any virus damage caused by this message. Colonial First State Investments Limited ABN 98 002 348 352, AFSL 23 24 68. **
Re: [WSG] iFrames vs Scrolling Divs
Hmmm.
You could use some very clever Javascript.
eg.
document.getElementById('divid'0.innerHTML = blah blah
then load the new doc. into that div.
but yeah.
iFrames are old.
although i dont see them dissapearing anytime soon
Shane Helm wrote:
I was interested in making a site that had an iFrame that I could call
new html pages into.
So I've read that Scrolling Divs is the way to go vs. iFrames, but
what about in the case of wanting to call a new page into the iFrame?
Can this be done in a div (calling an html file into the div) or
should an iFrame be used in this case? Are iFrames old news, should I
veer totally away from them?
Thank you,
Shane Helm
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RE: [WSG] mcafee site built with css
Ah, I probably should have looked inside some of the other pages, I think it is only the front page for the moment, I got this message http://au.mcafee.com/root/genericURL.asp?genericURL=/common/en-au/html_f iles/nonIE.asp We have determined that you are not using Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.x or higher. Please switch to Internet Explorer and return to our site. When I tried to view the cart link. Sorry my mistake Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hill, Tim Sent: Tuesday, 6 July 2004 2:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] mcafee site built with css Hi, thought people may like to know, the mcafee site built to standards, http://www.mcafee.com/us/ They are a pretty big company, I wonder if any other companies may follow suit. Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Quark and tagged PDFs
Title: Message Cheryl, I don't have any firsthand experience with Quark, but if there is an Adobe plugin/tie-in for directly creating PDFs (as opposed to 'printing' to PDF), then I would imagine that the choices are there. On a guess, I would think that you'd need to make sure the PDFs being created weren't overly 'secured' in the PDF format, in particular they would probably need to allow "Selecting and Copying of Text". You'd also have to make sure that your people were actually producing *text* in the PDFs, not images that looked like text (if you know what I mean). Hope that helps, and as I said, those are guesses, so if there's someone out there with a clue, please share it :) Beau -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lead, CherylSent: Monday, 5 July 2004 3:01 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] Quark and tagged PDFs Hi, Does anyone know much about creating accessible PDFs using Quark? We're looking at ways to make our site fully accessible, and we use lots of PDFs. I've been reading about tagged PDFs and how screenreaders can read them, but I don't know enough about Quark. Our designers use it to create our PDFs (and it's quite unlikely they will change programs without a good reason). First of all, is it possible to do - can accessible PDFs be created using Quark, and if it is, is there much work involved? Thanks Cheryl ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE **The information contained in or attached to this message is intended only for the people it is addressed to. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this information is unauthorised and prohibited. This information may be confidential or subject to legal privilege. It is not the expressed view of the Commonwealth Bank of Australia or any of its subsidiaries, including Colonial First State Investments Limited, unless that is clearly stated. Commonwealth Bank of Australia or its subsidiaries cannot accept liability for any virus damage caused by this message. Colonial First State Investments Limited ABN 98 002 348 352, AFSL 23 24 68.**
Re: [WSG] mcafee site built with css
Tim As CA owns Mcafee, and you work for CA, do you have any inside knowledge of how/why the Mcafee moved to a standards based site ? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Hill, Tim wrote: Hi, thought people may like to know, the mcafee site built to standards, http://www.mcafee.com/us/ They are a pretty big company, I wonder if any other companies may follow suit. Tim Hill Computer Associates Graphic Artist tel: +612 9937 0792 fax: +612 9937 0546 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
