Re: [WSG] CSS Drop down menu - Bugfix IE

2004-07-28 Thread Siteman DA - Bent Inge
Hi again and thanks for the replies from Nick and Phillipe!

The {whitespace: nowrap;} advice from Nick, sadly, didn't work. No
difference was displayed.

The code from Phillipe: li {float:left; width:100%; clear:both} however did
work :-) in some degree...
But it's a problem with that code as well. Now the subnav floats on top of
the entire menu and it's meant to appear just next to the 'subnavtrigger',
in this case 'ipsum'.
The existing code: li {position:relative; z-index:9 }does that, but with
that irritating whitespace in Explorer.
Is there a way of getting this code 2 work the same way in all browsers?

Most obliged,
Bent Inge @ www.siteman.no

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From: Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS Drop down menu - Bugfix IE


 On Wednesday, Jul 28, 2004, at 02:04 Australia/Sydney, Siteman DA -
 Bent Inge wrote:

  I'm aware of the problem with list items, and it sucks... But the
  markup
  (http://www.regnskapsbyraet.no/sider/designmal.php) can't be changed in
  order for the menu to work. So the changes has to be made in the
  stylesheet
  (http://www.regnskapsbyraet.no/sider/global.css)
 
  So - is there some way of tricking IE for this excact type of listmenu?

 Have you tried {whitespace: nowrap;} on the offending ul?

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[WSG] divs and copying their content

2004-07-28 Thread Barry Beattie
hi all 

this might actually be something simple that I've forgotten but I'm noticing more div 
layed out sites are harder to accuratly select the text content. Select a word or two 
and next thing you know you've highlighted (and copied/pasted) half the page inc 
images.

to see what I mean, see if you can cleanly select a couple of words from 
http://webstandards.org/. you'll probably end up with more than you selected

can anyone explain why?

thanx
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Re: [WSG] divs and copying their content

2004-07-28 Thread Siteman DA - Bent Inge
Hi again!

I've seen this problem appear before.
But when I tested http://webstandards.org/ in Opera and Firefox - there was
no problem in selecting the text I wanted. The problem seems only to appear
in Internet Explorer. Just a note :-)

Best regards,
Bent Inge @ www.siteman.no

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From: Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:18 PM
Subject: [WSG] divs and copying their content


hi all

this might actually be something simple that I've forgotten but I'm noticing
more div layed out sites are harder to accuratly select the text content.
Select a word or two and next thing you know you've highlighted (and
copied/pasted) half the page inc images.

to see what I mean, see if you can cleanly select a couple of words from
http://webstandards.org/. you'll probably end up with more than you selected

can anyone explain why?

thanx
barry.b
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[WSG] OT: Last call for interested young desgners

2004-07-28 Thread Michael Kear








Sorry for the kind-of off-topic post, so rather than
compound my transgression please respond directly to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] rather than on
the list. 



I have to make a decision in the next few days about how were
going to design our new site, and if you want to be considered, nows the
time to let me know. This job would suit a young web designer starting
out, or someone who hasnt got the opportunity to design a
standards-compliant site and wants one in their portfolio. 



Heres the deal; 



Its a radio station  well organised and well
run, with state-of-the art equipment and weve been broadcasting 24 hours
a day for 25 years. We contribute programs to the national satellite
network and also some programs networked worldwide. Were a
very advanced station from the point of view of broadcasting, but our web site
looks like someone threw it together in an afternoon using a hacked copy of
FrontPage. The station is prepared to try new things provided they make
sense, so its a wide brief for a designer. 



Were going to build a fully dynamic site using web
standards, and build to XHTML 1.0 strict if we can manage it, XHTML1.0
transitional if we cant. We want a site thats as accessible as we can
make it. Were about half way through the coding the database
and maintenance objects and getting close to needing to have a design to work
to now. Theres a site map already and were building
it with lots of flexibility for adding and removing parts of the site dynamically.



The design brief is to create an eyecatching design for the
radio station using CSS and the only required element is to retain the current
logo  its on tshirts, caps, pens, printed matter, our outside broadcast
bus, signs transmitter etc etc so we cant change that. Other wise,
the only limitation on the design is good sense. We don't want the
designer to build the site, merely to produce a design for the site- overall
design colour scheme, look and feel, a few pages etc for us to use as
templates. 



Payment: 

Yeah right. This is a volunteer station and
Im contributing my skills and hosting as part of my contribution to the station.
There is no payment. But we can pay you in other ways 
recommendations, your logo on the site so you can use it in your portfolio (thats
why it will probably suit a young designer starting out rather than someone who
has a portfolio already). If youre in the western Sydney area, it
might suit you to have some ads on the station too. Basically
were asking a lot and we want to make it worth while to whoever designs
the site, but realise its not good business for someone with an
established reputation as a designer. The short answer is we
cant pay money but we want to make it worth your effort in other ways if
we can. We don't want anything for free, just don't have money to pay you
with.



There might well be some paying work coming up for you later
if you do a reasonable job. Yes I know, Ive heard that lots of
times too. Youll just have to trust me.



If youre interested in this outlandish
proposition, want to have a free go at an advanced site in the media
sector, to build a site that is better than the huge number of pretty useless
and non-standard radio station sites, and do it to the latest accessibility
and compliant techniques, then reply by email or give me a call on
02-4577-4898. 





Cheers

Mike Kear

AFP Webworks

Windsor, NSW, Australia

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RE: [WSG] access keys and tab index

2004-07-28 Thread Laura Carlson
For those of you that have put together a chart of access keys
for your sitewide navigation, do you have any good suggestions?
From what I have gathered best practice is that IF accesskeys are used:
- Always supply a legend that defines the accesskeys.
- Make sure this legend is on or available from every page on the 
site...perhaps in an accessibility statement.
- Supply title attributes on any accesskeys used.
- Keep the number of accesskeys to a minimum.

I agree with Geoff. Because of the many conflicts, defining accesskeys 
seem to be a waste of time unless you are designing for a controlled 
environment such as an intranet.

In Joe Clark's Book, Building Accessible Websites, New Riders 
Publishing, 2002, he suggests that there are at least 36 characters 
that can be used for accesskey attribute.

However, as pointed out previously, John Foliot and Derek 
Featherstone's unofficial survey/research concluded that there really 
were no useful access keys not already reserved by some application or 
other. When you take internationalization issues into account, it 
becomes pretty much of a hopeless cause.

For more details from John Foliot and Derek Featherstone's study visit:
- Accesskeys and Reserved Keystroke Combinations
http://www.wats.ca/resources/accesskeysandkeystrokes/38
- Using Accesskeys - Is it worth it?
http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeys/19
- More reasons why we don't use accesskeys
http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyconflicts/37
Also:
- I Do Not Use Accesskeys by Dave Shea.
http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/12/29/i_do_not_use/index.php
Laura
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RE: [WSG] access keys and tab index

2004-07-28 Thread Geoff Deering
If find yourself in the accesskey bog, and you are trying to make your site
WAI-AAA compliant, I would do what the W3C did back in 1999 on the WAI home
page (http://www.w3.org/WAI/).

They had a WAI-AAA logo on their main page, but with all the links, the only
accesskey was a hidden c to access the Contents menu.  So if they are
setting the example, then just put an accesskey to Skip navigation or
whatever, then that seems good enough to meet this compliance check.

I know it is not promoting best of practice by our standards, but that was
the W3C WAI site back then, setting the example, so why not use something
simple like this if you are doing your best in all the other compliance
checks.

I say this because those who are making this much of an effort are making a
HUGE effort to make their pages as accessible as possible.

My point with Accessibility and Standards is always the ROI, and people on
this list, I feel, understand that.  But to be frank, the ROI (currently) in
accesskeys, has little ROI for the developer and user, except maybe for
forms, and used sparingly.

I do expect others to maybe do it better or smarter, because there is always
someone showing the way on how to do these things better.

Because they have become such an issue over the last year or so, and this
problem has been given more attention, maybe they will evolve in a less
muddle way.

Geoff

 -Original Message-
 From: Laura Carlson
 Sent: Thursday, 29 July 2004 6:24 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: [WSG] access keys and tab index


  For those of you that have put together a chart of access keys
  for your sitewide navigation, do you have any good suggestions?

  From what I have gathered best practice is that IF accesskeys are used:

 - Always supply a legend that defines the accesskeys.
 - Make sure this legend is on or available from every page on the
 site...perhaps in an accessibility statement.
 - Supply title attributes on any accesskeys used.
 - Keep the number of accesskeys to a minimum.

 I agree with Geoff. Because of the many conflicts, defining accesskeys
 seem to be a waste of time unless you are designing for a controlled
 environment such as an intranet.

 In Joe Clark's Book, Building Accessible Websites, New Riders
 Publishing, 2002, he suggests that there are at least 36 characters
 that can be used for accesskey attribute.

 However, as pointed out previously, John Foliot and Derek
 Featherstone's unofficial survey/research concluded that there really
 were no useful access keys not already reserved by some application or
 other. When you take internationalization issues into account, it
 becomes pretty much of a hopeless cause.

 For more details from John Foliot and Derek Featherstone's study visit:

 - Accesskeys and Reserved Keystroke Combinations
 http://www.wats.ca/resources/accesskeysandkeystrokes/38

 - Using Accesskeys - Is it worth it?
 http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeys/19

 - More reasons why we don't use accesskeys
 http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyconflicts/37

 Also:

 - I Do Not Use Accesskeys by Dave Shea.

 http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/12/29/i_do_not_use/index.php

 Laura
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 University of Minnesota Duluth
 Duluth, MN  55812-3009
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RE: [WSG] divs and copying their content

2004-07-28 Thread Hill, Tim
I thought I remembered something about if you absolute position
something, or have some weird float arrangement, IE has a hard time
copying text, but sorry can't find URL for it.


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Behalf Of Siteman DA - Bent Inge
Sent: Wednesday, 28 July 2004 10:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [WSG] divs and copying their content

Hi again!

I've seen this problem appear before.
But when I tested http://webstandards.org/ in Opera and Firefox - there
was no problem in selecting the text I wanted. The problem seems only to
appear in Internet Explorer. Just a note :-)

Best regards,
Bent Inge @ www.siteman.no

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From: Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 1:18 PM
Subject: [WSG] divs and copying their content


hi all

this might actually be something simple that I've forgotten but I'm
noticing more div layed out sites are harder to accuratly select the
text content.
Select a word or two and next thing you know you've highlighted (and
copied/pasted) half the page inc images.

to see what I mean, see if you can cleanly select a couple of words from
http://webstandards.org/. you'll probably end up with more than you
selected

can anyone explain why?

thanx
barry.b
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[WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-28 Thread Helen . Rysavy
Hi

I'm putting together a list of web development tools and am wondering about
the following:

Why is the Firefox browser used by Web Developers?   What does it have that
makes it a good tool?  - over other browsers?  Why not Opera?

Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks

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[WSG] CMS

2004-07-28 Thread Amit Karmakar
When we say CMS we mean Content Management, well in a nut shell
managing the content, publishing etc. Content Management and
Validation of code are 2 different things.
What does the group think?

Have a bit of an interesting conversation happening here

http://www.karmakars.com/weblog/archives/2004/07/28/mt31/


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Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-28 Thread Neerav
1. The web developer toolbar 
http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/

2. Tabbed interface for multiple sites in one window
3. Opera has Ads which take up part of its interface
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Why is the Firefox browser used by Web Developers?   What does it have that
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Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks
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Re: [WSG] divs and copying their content

2004-07-28 Thread Mike Brown

Barry this might actually be something simple that I've
Barry forgotten but I'm noticing more div layed out sites are harder
Barry to accuratly select the text content. Select a word or two and
Barry next thing you know you've highlighted (and copied/pasted) half
Barry the page inc images.

Barry to see what I mean, see if you can cleanly select a
Barry couple of words from http://webstandards.org/. you'll probably
Barry end up with more than you selected

Barry can anyone explain why?

I had the same (probably) problem recently.

It doesn't happen in IE 5x Win, only IE6. It seems it's a problem
caused by the combination of absolute positioning) and IE6 working in 
standards-compatible mode.

This looks like a possible soultion:
http://lists.evolt.org/archive/Week-of-Mon-20020902/121759.html

another page about it here:
http://blog.tom.me.uk/2003/07/23/boie6selecta.php

HTH

 
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RE: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-28 Thread Andrew Krespanis
Opera's support of form styling was (unitl recently) totally lacklustre. I'm 
not saying which side of the form styling is inherently wrong fence I sit 
on, but that combined with the ads is enough for me to choose Mozilla (full 
suite, not Firefox) as my dev browser.

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Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-28 Thread Peter Asquith
Hi Helen
I use Firefox, in combination with Chris Pederick's Web Developer 
extension (http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/), as 
my primary development browser. Firefox renders my markup and CSS as I'd 
expect it to be rendered, gives me good page information and has a built 
in DOM inspector. Once the Web Developer toolbar is included it becomes 
very easy to check on page structure, validation and the like.

Opera still has some rendering quirks and a somewhat more cluttered feel.
I know this isn't much help for your list but there's a certain je ne 
sais quoi about Firefox - it just feels right!

Cheers
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Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks
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Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-28 Thread Amit Karmakar
Although I support firefox  this may work against Firefox thought.
http://secunia.com/advisories/12160/



On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:29:41 +1200, Peter Asquith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Helen
 
 I use Firefox, in combination with Chris Pederick's Web Developer
 extension (http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/), as
 my primary development browser. Firefox renders my markup and CSS as I'd
 expect it to be rendered, gives me good page information and has a built
 in DOM inspector. Once the Web Developer toolbar is included it becomes
 very easy to check on page structure, validation and the like.
 
 Opera still has some rendering quirks and a somewhat more cluttered feel.
 
 I know this isn't much help for your list but there's a certain je ne
 sais quoi about Firefox - it just feels right!
 
 Cheers
 Peter
 
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 I'm putting together a list of web development tools and am wondering about
 the following:
 
 Why is the Firefox browser used by Web Developers?   What does it have that
 makes it a good tool?  - over other browsers?  Why not Opera?
 
 Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks
 
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RE: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-28 Thread Miles Tillinger
That's not the first vulnerability to be found in Firefox and whilst it
may be ammunition for IE-zealots it's nothing compared to all of the
exploits that IE is vulnerable to...  As Firefox gains popularity I
don't doubt more holes will appear, but that's the price of fame!

Mt. 

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 Although I support firefox  this may work against Firefox thought.
 http://secunia.com/advisories/12160/
 
 
 
 On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:29:41 +1200, Peter Asquith 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Helen
  
  I use Firefox, in combination with Chris Pederick's Web Developer 
  extension 
 (http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/), 
  as my primary development browser. Firefox renders my 
 markup and CSS 
  as I'd expect it to be rendered, gives me good page information and 
  has a built in DOM inspector. Once the Web Developer toolbar is 
  included it becomes very easy to check on page structure, 
 validation and the like.
  
  Opera still has some rendering quirks and a somewhat more 
 cluttered feel.
  
  I know this isn't much help for your list but there's a 
 certain je ne 
  sais quoi about Firefox - it just feels right!
  
  Cheers
  Peter
  
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  http://www.wasabicube.com
  
  
  
  
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 does it have that
  makes it a good tool?  - over other browsers?  Why not Opera?
  
  Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks
  
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Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-28 Thread Brian Cummiskey
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Why is the Firefox browser used by Web Developers?   What does it have that
makes it a good tool?  - over other browsers?  Why not Opera?
   


DOM Inspector
Venkman Javascript Debugger 
Edit CSS
Browser Session Saving
Open Bookmark Groups in Tabs
Style Selector Icon
 

And this plugin extension tool bar:
http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefoxid=60vid=63
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[WSG] tooltips

2004-07-28 Thread Justin French
Is there any way to disable tool tips for a certain element or class of 
elements?  I've got my own hover content on a nav bar, but it gets 
obscured by the browser's tool-yip for the title attribute.  And no, I 
can't leave the title element empty, because I'm using it's content for 
the hover :)

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[WSG] Search Tool

2004-07-28 Thread amer amer
Hi Guys,
I am a beginner in HTML and CSS, I need to include a Search Tool (by 
entering a keyword to search inside my website) in my new website, does 
anyone help me in that?

Thank you in advance.
Regards,
Am
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Re: [WSG] Why do web developers user Firefox?

2004-07-28 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Jul 29, 2004, at 11:53 am, Amit Karmakar wrote:
Although I support firefox  this may work against Firefox thought.
http://secunia.com/advisories/12160/
For the sake of complete information: it should be noted that both bugs 
are already fixed.
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=5089
End user upgrades should be available soon for Firefox 0.9 and Mozilla 
1.7, 1.4.

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[WSG] css help - convert from table to css - 3 tables

2004-07-28 Thread Hill, Tim
at this address:
http://www3.ca.com/partners/channel/
At the bottom, there are 3 chips; an image on the left and text on the
right inside a td.
I want to convert this using CSS. 

I can nearly replicate it but it fails in ie5.0, where I can get a gap
on the left. I wouldn't care about this but other people do; so I need
to do a pixel perfect for ie5 and ie6.
My attempt is below, would appreciate any help with it; My thanks in
advance

/CSS
div.chip {
border: 1px solid #ccc;
float: left;
overflow: hidden;
padding: 0;
margin-right: 5px;
width: 235px; /* ie5 value */
voice-family: \}\; 
voice-family: inherit;
width: 242px; /* normal value */
}

htmlbody div.chip {
  width: 242px; /* opera value/ie reset */
} 


div.chip img {
float: left;
margin: 0;
}

div.chip p {
margin-left: 80px;
padding: 3px;
}

/HTML
div class=chipimg src=img01.jpg width=80 height=75p1text
goes here text goes heres br text goes here/p/div

div class=chipimg src=img01.jpg width=80 height=75p2text
goes here text goes here br text goes here/p/div

div class=chipimg src=img01.jpg width=80 height=75p3text
goes here text goes here br text goes here/p/div
 

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Thread closed Re: [WSG] Search Tool

2004-07-28 Thread Lea de Groot
On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 03:29:51 +, amer amer wrote:
 I am a beginner in HTML and CSS, I need to include a Search Tool (by 
 entering a keyword to search inside my website) in my new website, 
 does anyone help me in that?

Amer,
Thats not an on-topic post for this forum.
Please restrict your questions to Web Standards issues.

Could anyone interested please send their replies off list?

Thanks,
Lea
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[WSG] Bottom Margin on IE/Mac

2004-07-28 Thread Lucian Teo
I'm using Dan Cedarholm's faux column's technique, but I can't get the 
footer to sit at the bottom of the page, so the columns stick out a 
little when viewed on IE/Mac. The site address is http://navmedia.com/ 
. Any reasons for this? I've looked through the list of IE/Mac bugs but 
can't seem to find the appropriate one.

Lucian
tribolum.com
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