RE: [WSG] Updated Web Accessibility Tool bar

2004-08-04 Thread Jamie Mason
Title: RE: [WSG] Updated Web Accessibility Tool bar Hi, Does anyone know if there's a firefox equivalent? Thanks, Jamie -Original Message- From: russ - maxdesign [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 04 August 2004 05:36 To: Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] Updated Web

Re: [WSG] Updated Web Accessibility Tool bar

2004-08-04 Thread Jeffery Lowder
Title: Re: [WSG] Updated Web Accessibility Tool bar I cant get by without this: http://www.chrispederick.myacen.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st On 4/8/04 6:02 PM, Jamie Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if there's a firefox equivalent?

Re: [WSG] Updated Web Accessibility Tool bar

2004-08-04 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 8/4/04 1:02 AM Jamie Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Does anyone know if there's a firefox equivalent? Thanks, Jamie -Original Message- From: russ - maxdesign [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 August 2004 05:36 To: Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] Updated Web

RE: [WSG] Updated Web Accessibility Tool bar

2004-08-04 Thread Jason Turnbull
Jamie Mason wrote: Does anyone know if there's a firefox equivalent? http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefoxid =60vid=63 Regards Jason * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

RE: [WSG] Updated Web Accessibility Tool bar

2004-08-04 Thread Jamie Mason
Title: RE: [WSG] Updated Web Accessibility Tool bar Hi, Cheers guys, I have that already, I just wondered if the ie toolbar had features this firefox one didn't, and a version was available for firefox. Jamie Mason: Design // Skysports.com, Central House, Beckwith Knowle, Otley Road,

[WSG] pagesauce.com

2004-08-04 Thread Tim Yang
Hi I'm just floating an idea. I was quite interested several months ago in re-doing some big non-standards sites like slate.com into standards compliance for my portfolio. I also just wanted to find out if I had the skills to meet the challenge. It was a really interesting experience when I

Re: [WSG] pagesauce.com

2004-08-04 Thread Mark Harwood
Yeh, its not a bad idea... im waiting to be able to change www.southtyneside.info in to XHTML and get rid of the crappy code that there old designer did... Hardest thing is working for a company that thinks there the dog's bollox but when someone from outside there office comes in a show there

Re: [WSG] pagesauce.com

2004-08-04 Thread Webstandards
Tim Yang wrote: Hi I'm just floating an idea. I was quite interested several months ago in re-doing some big non-standards sites like slate.com into standards compliance for my portfolio. I also just wanted to find out if I had the skills to meet the challenge. It was a really interesting

Re: [WSG] Trouble converting over my old CSS/HTML site over to CSS/XHTML standards

2004-08-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jim Barricks wrote: I'm in the process of converting over my old CSS/HTML site over to CSS/XHTML standards and trying to validate. On this page I have an watermark ad on the right side which works perfectly on: http://www.barricksinsurance.com/jokes_OLD.html But when I change the DOCTYPE from

[WSG] Basic CSS Optimisation Principles

2004-08-04 Thread Neerav
Hopefully http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/2004/08/04/css-optimisation/ is helpful for anyone new to CSS, and still learning how to write it concisely and efficiently. Heck it might be useful for someone more experienced, after all before writing it I wasnt aware that the measurement type (px, em,

Re: [WSG] Changing the DOCTYPE messes up the page

2004-08-04 Thread Jim Barricks
At 09:33 PM 8/3/2004,Justin French, your nimble fingers typed... Jim, Switching the DOCTYPE may trigger slight changes to the way the browser's rendering engine will perform. But I don't think that's the underlying problem here. The problem is you've switched to XHTML transitional, but you

Re: [WSG] pagesauce.com

2004-08-04 Thread Nick Gleitzman
You might also be interested in Zeldman's coverage of this concept at http://www.zeldman.com/daily/0704d.shtml - including the hassle that one UK coder experienced as a result... I'd be very careful about publishing reworked versions of other people's copyrighted materials, even if you have the

Re: [WSG] Changing the DOCTYPE messes up the page

2004-08-04 Thread Justin French
On 04/08/2004, at 10:32 PM, Jim Barricks wrote: Hi Justin, I can't believe I put that page up. The changes were all putting a /li at the end of the lists. They were all minor and I have corrected them easily. BUT the problem is still there. :( Well, you didn't tell us that the watermark was

Re: [WSG] pagesauce.com

2004-08-04 Thread Mark Harwood
Deffo! i think the UK designer you was on about was the guy that made the hugely popular Odeon cinema site, that in the end grew more popular then the Offical one! It was ok untill people started getting confused with which site was offical and which was just a listing of show times...

Re: [WSG] Trouble converting over my old CSS/HTML site over to CSS/XHTML standards

2004-08-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jim Barricks wrote: (Have corrected all that but the problem remains. :( At least we now know what we're *not* dealing with. The XHTML/CSS written by the JavaScript is invalid. Both are case sensitive. While most browsers will still work with upper/mixed case, the CSS probably won't. Class names

Re: [WSG] Trouble converting over my old CSS/HTML site over to CSS/XHTML standards

2004-08-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Jim Barricks wrote: (Have corrected all that but the problem remains. :( (Forgot to add this to my last message.) Also, you're use of blockquote is incorrect. You should either use a div or just style the ol directly (since it's already block level).

Re: [WSG] Changing the DOCTYPE messes up the page

2004-08-04 Thread Justin French
On 05/08/2004, at 12:29 AM, Martin J. Lambert wrote: Justin French wrote: Well, you didn't tell us that the watermark was generated content from a JS file, and I didn't look. Even though your source validates, you must understand that the (X)HTML that the javascript program writes internally

Re: [WSG] pagesauce.com

2004-08-04 Thread Andy Budd
Tim Yang wrote: Hi I'm just floating an idea. I was quite interested several months ago in re-doing some big non-standards sites like slate.com into standards compliance for my portfolio. I also just wanted to find out if I had the skills to meet the challenge. Rather than make over a big site

RE: [WSG] pagesauce.com

2004-08-04 Thread Grossman, Susan
Title: RE: [WSG] pagesauce.com There are a number of great online volunteering places of which I'd worked for many. I encourage all list members to volunteer to work on sites that can really use help. http://charityfocus.org/ http://techsoup.org/ http://volunteeringonline.org/ Susan

[WSG] Spacing Between Paragraphs

2004-08-04 Thread Audano, Chris
Im new to CSS and Im having difficulties trying to make two paragraphs look as one (without extra line spacing). I have a graphic to the left with a title Contacts to the right of the graphic. I would like the Contact Name to go directly under the title Contacts without extra spacing.

RE: [WSG] Spacing Between Paragraphs

2004-08-04 Thread Iain Gardiner
Title: Message You need to use this selector: #contacts .p { etc... instead of the .p contacts { you currently have since there is no such element as 'contacts'. Hope this helps. :) -- Iain Gardiner http://www.firelightning.com -Original Message-From:

RE: [WSG] Spacing Between Paragraphs

2004-08-04 Thread Ted Drake
How about looking at it in a different light. Use a data list. dl dtContacts/dt ddContact Name/dd ddspanimg src="".../span /dl Use your style sheet to move the dd with span to the left, the dt and other dd's to the right and you can add more contact names by simply adding more dd's. It's

Re: [WSG] Spacing Between Paragraphs

2004-08-04 Thread Mordechai Peller
Audano, Chris wrote: Im new to CSS and Im having difficulties trying to make two paragraphs look as one (without extra line spacing). I have a graphic to the left with a title Contacts to the right of the graphic. I would like the Contact Name to go directly under the title Contacts without

RE: [WSG] Spacing Between Paragraphs

2004-08-04 Thread Audano, Chris
Title: Message I cant believe I did that.oops! Still, how do you push up the second line to go directly under the title? I read that you shouldnt use a negative padding numberright? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Iain

RE: [WSG] Spacing Between Paragraphs

2004-08-04 Thread Audano, Chris
Thanks so much. What I needed was the bottom margin. P.S. Excellent ListServe! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mordechai Peller Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Spacing Between Paragraphs

RE: [WSG] Spacing Between Paragraphs

2004-08-04 Thread Iain Gardiner
Title: Message You need to play around with margins. Set the bottom-margin property of your span class="contact_Name" to 0 and the the same with the top-margin of the p class="p", so: .contact_name { margin-bottom: 0; } #contacts .p { margin-top: 0; } I think that might work, but

RE: [WSG] Spacing Between Paragraphs

2004-08-04 Thread Iain Gardiner
Oops, just spotted this, yeah that's what I was driving at in my last e-mail but with a different markup approach. :) Stay lucky. Iain -- Iain Gardiner http://www.firelightning.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

RE: [WSG] Spacing Between Paragraphs

2004-08-04 Thread Iain Gardiner
Feck, this seems to be my night for errors too 'cos I meant: .contacts dl { etc... And not .contacts .contact dl { :) -- Iain Gardiner http://www.firelightning.com * The discussion list for

[WSG] The F-word (frames that is)

2004-08-04 Thread Ted Drake
I'm putting together our new web site css-layout. There are a few web sites that put our site into their frameset. If they take my lovely css-formatted page and stick it in their ugly, poorly styled web page built with nasty frames... Could their stylesheet over-ride my style sheet or will

Re: [WSG] The F-word (frames that is)

2004-08-04 Thread Neerav
http://www.google.com/search?q=break+out+of+framessourceid=firefoxstart=0start=0ie=utf-8oe=utf-8 -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Ted

Re: [WSG] Spacing Between Paragraphs

2004-08-04 Thread James Ellis
Hello Chris Glad to see you got what you are after and welcome to the WSG list. Please remember to post all code, including a valid doctype, to a site so we can use browsers to work out any quirks - email programs aren't the best at rendering code and introduce their own quirks into the mix.

Re: [WSG] The F-word (frames that is)

2004-08-04 Thread Shane Helm
Since the frame will reference your website (pulling your site in as an external site into the main frame), your pages will reference your style sheets. No need to worry. I hate frames too. Shane Helm { sonzeDesignStudio On Aug 4, 2004, at 5:01 PM, Ted Drake wrote: I'm putting together our

Re: [WSG] Basic CSS Optimisation Principles

2004-08-04 Thread Neerav
Bert Thats exactly what I said: While the size reduction is not a huge benefit in the scheme of things, it does mean that I can change certain values that are common to many page elements like font-weight : bold; to another value eg: font-weight : bolder; in one place and have the change made

[WSG] Apple's accessibility moves

2004-08-04 Thread Hugh Todd
The list may be interested to read this page on the accessibility technologies Apple plans to incorporate to the next version of the OS, due out next year. The plan is to make accessibility available to all applications. Its beta Spoken Interface has been made available for testing by

[WSG] Keyboard accessible dropdown menus - using float layout

2004-08-04 Thread Jeffery Lowder
Hi everyone. I know I've seen it somewhere on the list before, although I've tried to look for it through the archives and still haven't been able to find the reference. I'm looking for an example of a drop down menu that is keyboard accessible. Looking forward to the responses :O) Cheers Jeff

RE: [WSG] Keyboard accessible dropdown menus - using float layout

2004-08-04 Thread Jason Turnbull
Jeffery Lowder wrote I'm looking for an example of a drop down menu that is keyboard accessible. Heres a couple http://www.udm4.com http://www.accessibility.nl//amenu/index.html Regards Jason * The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] Keyboard accessible dropdown menus - using float layout

2004-08-04 Thread Jeffery Lowder
Thanks heaps Jason, that's exactly what I was looking for. Cheers Jeff Lowder Accessibility 1st On 5/8/04 11:48 AM, Jason Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeffery Lowder wrote I'm looking for an example of a drop down menu that is keyboard accessible. Heres a couple http://www.udm4.com

[WSG] some light reading...

2004-08-04 Thread russ - maxdesign
:hover Considered Harmful: http://adactio.com/journal/display.php/20040804214738.xml What is Œthe flow¹?: http://xmouse.ithium.net/archives/2004/08/03/what-is-the-flow Centered links: http://realworldstyle.com/archives/86.html Most common CSS problems:

[WSG] Re: pagesauce.com

2004-08-04 Thread Tim Yang
Thanks for the links, Susan! Tim * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help