Re: [WSG] dublin core and search engines
Hello Terrence Wood, You are right. The first issue is the relevancy here. If you go to my homepage at http://www.geocities.com/seo_advice/ and view the source code, you'll see that the meta data, especially for the keywords is nothing but what has already appeared in the content. Hence my page is not spam. If the Dublin Core Meta Standards was used, I would have first been penalized for duplicate Meta Content and moreover, Google seeing that my Meta Data and content are not in unison will also penalise my current rankings. Regards, Dilip Samuel ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] WE04 Summary (blowing my own trumpet)
On 10/26/04 10:32 PM "Jason Foss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent this out: > http://www.sitepoint.com/article/essentials-modern-web-design > > Did I miss anything imprtant? Well, it's too late now if I did, but I > think I covered mostly everything within the scope of the article. > (Not everything at the conference mind you!) Great job! One thing - accessibility issues include dealing with old browsers and user agents that don't do CSS, I'd think. Maybe you could have stressed that a bit (more?). Congrats on the Sitepoint article! Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] two column IE issues
Same here, tested on Firefox and IE all looks the same (and very nice to boot). On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:35:28 +1000, Jason Foss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Have you fixed it already? IE6 on WinXP looks the same as Firefox 0.9... > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:13:13 +1300, Darren Wood > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey team! > > > > Like the rest of you I wish I didn't have to worry about IE. > > > > I do all my dev on a linux box running Firefox 0.10. Needless to say > > all my XHTML and CSS looks exactly the way I want it to...then I start > > testing in IE... > > > > http://dev.webdeveloper.co.nz/site/ [The CSS is in the source...] > > u: dev > > p: w3dev > > > > IE completely wrecks my design, refusing to float the sidenav to the right. > > > > Any ideas how I could possibly fix this? > > > > [NOTE: this thread is likely to bore most of you so please send > > responses offlist, and I'll send the solution at the end once one > > presents itself.] > > > > Thanks in advance! > > Darren > > > > www.webdeveloper.co.nz > > > > ** > > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > > ** > > > > > > > -- > Jason Foss > Almost Anything Desktop Publishing > www.almost-anything.com.au > Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia > "We can do almost anything!" > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] two column IE issues
Have you fixed it already? IE6 on WinXP looks the same as Firefox 0.9... On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:13:13 +1300, Darren Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey team! > > Like the rest of you I wish I didn't have to worry about IE. > > I do all my dev on a linux box running Firefox 0.10. Needless to say > all my XHTML and CSS looks exactly the way I want it to...then I start > testing in IE... > > http://dev.webdeveloper.co.nz/site/ [The CSS is in the source...] > u: dev > p: w3dev > > IE completely wrecks my design, refusing to float the sidenav to the right. > > Any ideas how I could possibly fix this? > > [NOTE: this thread is likely to bore most of you so please send > responses offlist, and I'll send the solution at the end once one > presents itself.] > > Thanks in advance! > Darren > > www.webdeveloper.co.nz > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia "We can do almost anything!" ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] WE04 Summary (blowing my own trumpet)
Greetings! I penned a bit of a summary of some of the things I learned at WE04, and Sitepoint have published it! http://www.sitepoint.com or straight to the article: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/essentials-modern-web-design Did I miss anything imprtant? Well, it's too late now if I did, but I think I covered mostly everything within the scope of the article. (Not everything at the conference mind you!) -- Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia "We can do almost anything!" ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] two column IE issues
Hey team! Like the rest of you I wish I didn't have to worry about IE. I do all my dev on a linux box running Firefox 0.10. Needless to say all my XHTML and CSS looks exactly the way I want it to...then I start testing in IE... http://dev.webdeveloper.co.nz/site/ [The CSS is in the source...] u: dev p: w3dev IE completely wrecks my design, refusing to float the sidenav to the right. Any ideas how I could possibly fix this? [NOTE: this thread is likely to bore most of you so please send responses offlist, and I'll send the solution at the end once one presents itself.] Thanks in advance! Darren www.webdeveloper.co.nz ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Some links for light reading (27/10/04)
What is a standard?: http://webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2004_10.html#a000463 SiFR - mezzoblue review: http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2004/10/26/sifr/ Clearing Floats - The FnE Method: http://www.orderedlist.com/articles/clearing_floats_fne Semantically Correct Knockout Quotes: http://lumpus.info/nerkalog/archives/2004/10/knockout-quotes Pure CSS Scrollable Table with Fixed Header: http://www.imaputz.com/cssStuff/bigFourVersion.html Liquid elastic layouts: http://www.zooibaai.nl/b/archives/2004/10/24/liquid-elastic-layouts/ Old Fashioned HTML: http://www.zooibaai.nl/b/archives/2004/10/22/old-fashioned-html/ Will code for software: http://www.designbyfire.com/000171.html And some possibly less relevant ones... Introducing the Customer-Centric Worldview: http://www.goodexperience.com/blog/archives/75.php Hallmarks of a great developer: http://blogs.msdn.com/micahel/archive/2004/06/16/157202.aspx If Architects Had To Work Like Web Designers: http://twasink.net/blog/archives/2004/10/if_architects_h.html Thanks Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] site layout problems, specifically in Mac IE
just to clarify:
"clear:none" means "don't clear anything - position this element next
to floated blocks according to normal flow".
"clear:left" means "if this element would normally be positioned next
to a float:left block, put it below the float:left block instead".
"clear:right" means "if this element would normally be positioned next
to a float:right block, put it below the float:right block instead".
"clear:both" means "if this element would normally be positioned next
to any floated block/s, put it below the floated block/s instead".
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:02:50 +1000, Craig Millman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, sorry it has taken a while to get back, I have been away.
>
> I am not sure I understand how to solve the problem. I think I am more
> confused after reading the bugs for IE5 Mac.
>
> Should I put in my XHTML
>
>
> then in the CSS
> #clearer{clear:none;}
>
> again the page is http://www.pacifichomeloans.com.au
> CSS http://www.pacifichomeloans.com.au/styleshome.css
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Hugh Todd
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 3:32 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [WSG] site layout problems, specifically in Mac IE
>
> Craig,
>
> The main issue would appear to be as follows:
>
> Mac IE 5 wrongly clears floats inside clearing block elements, and you
> can't fix it with "clear:none;".
>
> The easy way to solve it is to add a standalone clearer to your HTML
> (say after a navigation bar that you need to clear). It may need to be
> a full div. Not ideal, but it does the trick.
>
> For more info, see
> http://www.macedition.com/cb/ie5macbugs/#floatclearbug , as well as the
> entry it links to from Philippe Wittenbergh.
>
> Hope this helps. (If this message looks familiar, it's another cut and
> paste from a posting some time ago.)
>
> -Hugh Todd
>
> > I have downloaded Firefox and have started from scratch.
> >
> > The page is at www.pacifichomeloans.com.au and css at
> > www.pacifichomeloans.com.au/styleshome.css
> >
> > The page is looking fine in Firefox (apart from my #maintitle not
> > starting
> > at the top of the page) and IE on Windows. However I did the
> > browsercam and
> > it isn't coming out right in IE on Mac. Most other browsers it seems
> > fine.
> >
> > The XHTML and CSS validates fine.
> >
> > I would appreciate any help.
>
> **
> The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/
>
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> for some hints on posting to the list & getting help
> **
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Re: [WSG] Site Review Request
Regarding "skip to content" links, I found this article recently about usability testing of screen reader users: http://www.stcsig.org/usability/newsletter/0304-observing.html In particular under the 'Many want to skip the navigation, but don't use that feature' section: Some developers have used the phrase "Skip to Content" instead of "Skip Navigation." Good idea. But it does not work because "content" in English can be a noun or an adjective. JAWS reads it here as an adjective with the accent on the second syllable. So it does not make sense to users. A solution that does seem to work is "Skip to Main Content." JAWS reads that correctly as the noun "content" with the accent on the first syllable. Cheers, Damian I like it. Clean and simple. IMO, you should include a "skip to content" link for the screen readers. ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net "content without clutter" Daniel Bowling wrote: Hello, I would greatly appreciate any feedback for my personal site regarding design, standards compliance, usability and general code quality. http://www.danbowling.com Thank you for your time, Dan Bowling W: http://www.danbowling.com -- Damian Sweeney Instructional Designer, AIRport Project Equity, Language and Learning Programs University of Melbourne 723 Swanston St Parkville 3010 www.services.unimelb.edu.au/ellp/ ph 03 8344 9370, fax 03 9349 1039 This email and any attachments may contain personal information or information that is otherwise confidential or the subject of copyright. Any unauthorised use, disclosure or copying of any part of it is prohibited. The University does not warrant that this email or any attachments are free from viruses or defects. Please check any attachments for viruses and defects before opening them. If this email is received in error please delete it and notify us by return email or by phoning (03) 8344 9370. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] dublin core and search engines
Hi, There are certainly uses of DC elements but they are generally within other schemas. The Australian Government Locator Service (AGLS) http://www.naa.gov.au/recordkeeping/gov_online/agls/summary.html metadata scheme is one that uses DC elements, Education Network Australia (EdNA) http://www.edna.edu.au/edna/go/pid/385 is another. These are used by specific harvesters for (Australian Government and Education) sector search tools and directories. As for using them, I still think it's a good idea (as I do a fair bit of .gov.au work), but do it properly and link to the DTD in the head: http://purl.org/DC/elements/1.1/";> See the source of http://www.gt.nsw.gov.au/ or even http://we04.com/ for an example. There are some nice links to resources on http://www.edna.edu.au/edna/go/pid/617 as well. P > I have been searching for an article I read a while ago on > the Dublin Core, > but cannot find it anymore. If I remember correctly it was > published by an > SEO group and mentioned that it was very doubtful the Dublin > Core would be > accepted as standard, as it has been around for many years and so far > repeatedly failed to take off. > > Whether above statement is true may or may not be right, but > I decided to > stick to the old-fashioned meta tags for the moment, as they > are more widely > accepted by search engines and have returned good results for > my sites so > far. I am hoping to change to Dublin Core meta tags in the > future though, as > the concept seems much better than that of the old meta tags. > They'll be > great for internal search engines as well. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] site layout problems, specifically in Mac IE
Craig,
If you are using a block level element to clear some floats (say a
navigation bar), then you will find that, in IE 5 Mac, if you put any
floats *inside* that block level element, they will clear also. This
behaviour is wrong. And you can't fix it by applying "clear:none" to
the enclosed floats.
So, your options are:
1) Don't put floats in a clearing block level element.
2) Create an extra clearer (yes, extraneous markup, but does the trick)
to let you put your floats in a non-clearing div.
3) Use the self-clearing trick documented somewhere, if it is
applicable in these circumstances.
Hope this helps.
-Hugh Todd
PS so in answer to your question, yes, you could put an extra clearer
div in your (x)html, but if you did so you would give it an attribute
of "clear: left" or "clear: both". And put nothing inside it. (It is
just there to fix the problem.) You may need to give it a height. Not
sure if 0px will work. One of the browsers, I seem to remember, needs
to see this.
Hi, sorry it has taken a while to get back, I have been away.
I am not sure I understand how to solve the problem. I think I am more
confused after reading the bugs for IE5 Mac.
Should I put in my XHTML
then in the CSS
#clearer{clear:none;}
again the page is http://www.pacifichomeloans.com.au
CSS http://www.pacifichomeloans.com.au/styleshome.css
thanks
-Original Message-
Craig,
The main issue would appear to be as follows:
Mac IE 5 wrongly clears floats inside clearing block elements, and you
can't fix it with "clear:none;".
The easy way to solve it is to add a standalone clearer to your HTML
(say after a navigation bar that you need to clear). It may need to be
a full div. Not ideal, but it does the trick.
For more info, see
http://www.macedition.com/cb/ie5macbugs/#floatclearbug , as well as the
entry it links to from Philippe Wittenbergh.
Hope this helps. (If this message looks familiar, it's another cut and
paste from a posting some time ago.)
-Hugh Todd
I have downloaded Firefox and have started from scratch.
The page is at www.pacifichomeloans.com.au and css at
www.pacifichomeloans.com.au/styleshome.css
The page is looking fine in Firefox (apart from my #maintitle not
starting
at the top of the page) and IE on Windows. However I did the
browsercam and
it isn't coming out right in IE on Mac. Most other browsers it seems
fine.
The XHTML and CSS validates fine.
I would appreciate any help.
**
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Re: [WSG] dublin core and search engines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: | far. I am hoping to change to Dublin Core meta tags in the future though, as | the concept seems much better than that of the old meta tags. They'll be | great for internal search engines as well. I use DC meta tags in my professional work and results are so good. Perhaps using DC meta tags now seems less practical than "old-fashioned" meta tags, but I think it's the best way to get used to that :) Greetings. - -- /* Daniel Torres Burriel - www.torresburriel.com /* Web design - Usability consulting - IT Press /* More info & bio: www.torresburriel.com/perfil/ /* GPG key: 0x43DB2AB7 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBfstBLelthkPbKrcRAjwIAKDkA6gMXeYQpPKI66Ls6KBjFcXyAQCg7UGq g1JHmOhm5PDOEaog/l7mRAQ= =Ps9a -END PGP SIGNATURE- ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] dublin core and search engines
I have been searching for an article I read a while ago on the Dublin Core, but cannot find it anymore. If I remember correctly it was published by an SEO group and mentioned that it was very doubtful the Dublin Core would be accepted as standard, as it has been around for many years and so far repeatedly failed to take off. Whether above statement is true may or may not be right, but I decided to stick to the old-fashioned meta tags for the moment, as they are more widely accepted by search engines and have returned good results for my sites so far. I am hoping to change to Dublin Core meta tags in the future though, as the concept seems much better than that of the old meta tags. They'll be great for internal search engines as well. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Ted Drake > Sent: Wednesday, 27 October 2004 1:28 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [WSG] dublin core and search engines > > > Hi Steven > I believe this is the paper you are looking for. I included the > Dublin Core to prepare our site for future search engines. I > hope SEO benefits will be an added bonus. It looks like this > paper illustrates the added bonus aspect. > http://jis.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/30/4/310?maxtoshow=&HI > TS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1=zhang&searchid=1098749903469_2 > 90&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&journalcode=spjis > > Has anyone else begun using the dublin core metadata on their sites? > Ted > > > -Original Message- > From: Steven C. Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:59 PM > To: Ted Drake; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [WSG] dublin core and search engines > > > Hello: > > Actually there is an academic study of the use of DC metatags on web > pages and the ranks of those pages in search engine results. I am > searching for the citation and will send it when I find it. > > The basic answer is it depends on the search engine, but in the majority > of cases, it did raise the rank of the page. In one instance it > decreased the rank. I don't remember if the exact metadata was given, so > I can't say if the decrease was a result of poor choice of metatags. I'd > use them. > > Regards, > > Steven C. Perkins > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > On 25 Oct 2004 at 11:41, Ted Drake wrote: > > Date sent:Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:41:58 -0700 > From: Ted Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [WSG] dublin core and search engines > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Send reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > I hope this isn't off topic. But I figured the Dublin Core was standards > > based and so I'm throwing it out there. > > > > Our company hired an SEO company to help get better search results. They > > gave the standard answers with page names, titles, descriptions, as well > > as the wink/nod use these alt tags, comment tags, your not > supposed to do > > this but do it anyway suggestions. I convinced everyone to do things > > correctly, i.e. alt tags. > > > > I also initiated the dublin core metatags. > > > > The SEO company doesn't know what the dublin core is. They are covering > > their butts because we didn't get the immediate boost that some > members in > > our company expected. The SEO company is pointing to our dublin core > > metatags as if they may be at fault. > > > > Here's my question: Does anyone know if dublin core metatags > can hurt SEO > > rankings? I'd really appreciate any stories, blogs, or research that > > could give us an answer. I'm thinking the engines that ignore metatags > > will continue to ignore the dublin core and those that do pay attention > > will give us credit for them. > > > > What are your opinions? Is anyone else using them? > > Ted > > www.csatravelprotection.com > > > > > > > > ** > > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > > ** > > > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site Review Request
Thank you for your feedback, I will look into the issue as I have had many comments on both sides of that issue. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Baker Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 3:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Review Request I too like the design, I wish I could design like that. My only comment would be that I think the standard font size is a bit small.. yes I know you can resize it but a well sighted person shouldnt have to. My 50c worth. -- Todd Baker http://electronet.com.au - Where electrons go for a good time! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Downloadable docs
> is it possible to search in this mailing list archive? > it would save time and resources sometimes You can search the archive at: http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/archive.cfm There is also a resource search on this page in the bottom right nav. The resources are also all listed at: http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/ all by topic and you can add your own too. -- Susan R. Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Downloadable docs
Hi Any downloadable html/css documentations ? and other web standards related docs ? also is it possible to search in this mailing list archive? it would save time and resources sometimes -- http://www.W3planet.info/ http://www.EasyHTTP.com/jad/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] dublin core and search engines
Hi Steven I believe this is the paper you are looking for. I included the Dublin Core to prepare our site for future search engines. I hope SEO benefits will be an added bonus. It looks like this paper illustrates the added bonus aspect. http://jis.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/30/4/310?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1=zhang&searchid=1098749903469_290&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&journalcode=spjis Has anyone else begun using the dublin core metadata on their sites? Ted -Original Message- From: Steven C. Perkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 6:59 PM To: Ted Drake; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] dublin core and search engines Hello: Actually there is an academic study of the use of DC metatags on web pages and the ranks of those pages in search engine results. I am searching for the citation and will send it when I find it. The basic answer is it depends on the search engine, but in the majority of cases, it did raise the rank of the page. In one instance it decreased the rank. I don't remember if the exact metadata was given, so I can't say if the decrease was a result of poor choice of metatags. I'd use them. Regards, Steven C. Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 25 Oct 2004 at 11:41, Ted Drake wrote: Date sent: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:41:58 -0700 From: Ted Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:[WSG] dublin core and search engines To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I hope this isn't off topic. But I figured the Dublin Core was standards > based and so I'm throwing it out there. > > Our company hired an SEO company to help get better search results. They > gave the standard answers with page names, titles, descriptions, as well > as the wink/nod use these alt tags, comment tags, your not supposed to do > this but do it anyway suggestions. I convinced everyone to do things > correctly, i.e. alt tags. > > I also initiated the dublin core metatags. > > The SEO company doesn't know what the dublin core is. They are covering > their butts because we didn't get the immediate boost that some members in > our company expected. The SEO company is pointing to our dublin core > metatags as if they may be at fault. > > Here's my question: Does anyone know if dublin core metatags can hurt SEO > rankings? I'd really appreciate any stories, blogs, or research that > could give us an answer. I'm thinking the engines that ignore metatags > will continue to ignore the dublin core and those that do pay attention > will give us credit for them. > > What are your opinions? Is anyone else using them? > Ted > www.csatravelprotection.com > > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site Review Request
Hi Dan, It is a nice design, with attractive colors. One thing I would mention is the main menu text is a little small. One thing I wanted to mention to people that I learned recently is about LCD monitors vs CRT monitors. I have both here on my desk, and my CRT is a cheap brand, probably what a lot of people have. They eventually, or right out of the box, get blurry. The red, green, and blue pixels don't match up anymore. So the small text you have for the menu is barely legible to me. It's FINE on the crisp LCD (or a good quality monitor) that doesn't age that way, but really bad on my 'average joe' CRT. Same with all of the small blue link text as well. Just keep that in mind the CRT suck factor when designing. I suppose looking at them is like a person with poor eyesight sees things...If you don't have a cheap CRT in your office, GET ONE! It really helps :) Cheers! Ryan Nichols Graphic Design / Web Development Matrixwebs.com 1.800.711.2829 18330 Sutter Blvd. Morgan Hill, CA 95037 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Bowling Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 5:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Site Review Request Hello, I would greatly appreciate any feedback for my personal site regarding design, standards compliance, usability and general code quality. http://www.danbowling.com Thank you for your time, Dan Bowling W: http://www.danbowling.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Broken In Safari/IE Mac
On 26 Oct 2004, at 9:37 AM, Natalie Buxton wrote:
Woe is me. It's busted big time. And for the life of me I cannot work
out which CSS rules Safari and IE Mac are refusing to honour.
Two things:
In IE the navigation bar is sitting wrong.
In Safari it's the entire layout is busted big time.
Natalie, I found that changing #container {background-position: 41px
top;} to #container {background-position: top center;} fixed the
banner in Safari 1.2.2, FF0.9.1, IE5.2.3 on Mac and appears good in
IE6Win.
I have to say I think IE's rendering of your page is worse than
Safari's - although you may be looking at Safari v1/1.1?
Check out Phillipe's excellent repository of MacIE Oddities at
RE: [WSG] site layout problems, specifically in Mac IE
Hi, sorry it has taken a while to get back, I have been away.
I am not sure I understand how to solve the problem. I think I am more
confused after reading the bugs for IE5 Mac.
Should I put in my XHTML
then in the CSS
#clearer{clear:none;}
again the page is http://www.pacifichomeloans.com.au
CSS http://www.pacifichomeloans.com.au/styleshome.css
thanks
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Hugh Todd
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 3:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [WSG] site layout problems, specifically in Mac IE
Craig,
The main issue would appear to be as follows:
Mac IE 5 wrongly clears floats inside clearing block elements, and you
can't fix it with "clear:none;".
The easy way to solve it is to add a standalone clearer to your HTML
(say after a navigation bar that you need to clear). It may need to be
a full div. Not ideal, but it does the trick.
For more info, see
http://www.macedition.com/cb/ie5macbugs/#floatclearbug , as well as the
entry it links to from Philippe Wittenbergh.
Hope this helps. (If this message looks familiar, it's another cut and
paste from a posting some time ago.)
-Hugh Todd
> I have downloaded Firefox and have started from scratch.
>
> The page is at www.pacifichomeloans.com.au and css at
> www.pacifichomeloans.com.au/styleshome.css
>
> The page is looking fine in Firefox (apart from my #maintitle not
> starting
> at the top of the page) and IE on Windows. However I did the
> browsercam and
> it isn't coming out right in IE on Mac. Most other browsers it seems
> fine.
>
> The XHTML and CSS validates fine.
>
> I would appreciate any help.
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Re: [WSG] Site Review Request
'About' and 'Accessibility' should be on different pages IMHO, not everybody wanting to know about 'Accessibility Statement' may like to read through all of the 'about' page to get there. And there yes 'Accessibility Statement' should stand out on equal footing as 'Skip to content'. Other than that, nice and clean! Well done. my $0.02 On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:08:16 +1000, Todd Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I too like the design, I wish I could design like that. > > My only comment would be that I think the standard font size is a bit > small.. yes I know you can resize it but a well sighted person > shouldnt have to. > > My 50c worth. > > -- > Todd Baker > http://electronet.com.au - Where electrons go for a good time! > > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > -- Regards, Amit Karmakar http://karmakars.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Select form element doesnt validate
G'day If you find the output from the validator puzzling and are looking for the tool to provide clearer answers, suggest you take it up with the people who provide the tool. Having said that... The elements, attributes and values are defined in the DTD ( http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd ): If you don't understand the DTD (it can be a bit hard to read) there are other sites, like www.zvon.org which has (downloadable and lookup) references and tutorials for xhtml, CSS, DOM, Dublin Core and much much more. It says (in their xhtml reference): Attribute: selected Parent: option Values: selected Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design www.bwdzine.com Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Select form element doesnt validate
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:42:32 +1000, Michael Kear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > True, Patrick, it's not a teaching tool. But you do need to be able to > find out what is correct if it says it's wrong. It is not a teaching tool. Using any tool you must have an idea what it is doing. That means if validator checks document for conformance with specification and DTD you should know them both. <...> > > As it is, it's a bit like when your dad whacked you as a kid for doing > something wrong. You wailed "what was that for?" and he says "you did > something wrong - something to do with your clothes." and he wont tell you > that you should have picked your clothes up off the bathroom floor after > your shower. In my book that's poor parenting, and I think it would be a > very simple task for W3C to add a link to the correct syntax somewhere in > that validator tool. Well, validator is not your dad it is your tax inspection. You had a link to document describing correct syntax. That very same "general document". To be more precise: "4.2. Element and attribute names must be in lower case"(http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#h-4.2 ) and "4.5. Attribute Minimization" (http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#h-4.5). I can see any need to repeat it for every attribute XHTML describes. Those are general rules and apply to all attributes. > > Now another possibility is that I couldn't see a link to the correct syntax > that was right there in front of my face. Well after searching the > validator results page for 30 minutes I couldn't see it, and if there was > such a link, it's not very well designed. It ought to be obvious. > > So ... where DO I find a reference document showing the correct syntax for > XHTML tags? Try this section: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#dtds. It provides links to DTD's, which describe what you want. Warning: DTDs may be more difficult to read and understand, so I suggest to read the spec first. Regards, Rimantas ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Review Request
I too like the design, I wish I could design like that. My only comment would be that I think the standard font size is a bit small.. yes I know you can resize it but a well sighted person shouldnt have to. My 50c worth. -- Todd Baker http://electronet.com.au - Where electrons go for a good time! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Review Request
I like it. Clean and simple. IMO, you should include a "skip to content" link for the screen readers. ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net "content without clutter" Daniel Bowling wrote: Hello, I would greatly appreciate any feedback for my personal site regarding design, standards compliance, usability and general code quality. http://www.danbowling.com Thank you for your time, Dan Bowling W: http://www.danbowling.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Review Request
oops, sorry, i didnt see where that signed me up for a discussion group lol -- Original Message -- From: "Dave Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:49:00 -0400 >? i didnt know i submitted a site, lol >do u mind if i ask which 1 it gave u? > >thanks >dave > > >-- Original Message -- >From: Chris Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:37:04 +0100 > >>Dan, >> >>Nice clean design, I like it. Very usable too, The only comment I >>would make would be on the primary Navigation, I feel the colour you >>have chosen may lack contrast a little. but other than that, nice >>site! >> >>cheers >> >>Chris Thompson >> >> >>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:03:43 -0500, Daniel Bowling >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Hello, I would greatly appreciate any feedback for my personal site >>> regarding design, standards compliance, usability and general code >>> quality. >>> >>> http://www.danbowling.com >>> >>> Thank you for your time, >>> >>> Dan Bowling >>> W: http://www.danbowling.com >>> >>> ** >>> The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ >>> >>> See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >>> for some hints on posting to the list & getting help >>> ** >>> >>> >>** >>The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ >> >> See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> for some hints on posting to the list & getting help >>** >> >> > > > >** >The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help >** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Review Request
? i didnt know i submitted a site, lol do u mind if i ask which 1 it gave u? thanks dave -- Original Message -- From: Chris Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 08:37:04 +0100 >Dan, > >Nice clean design, I like it. Very usable too, The only comment I >would make would be on the primary Navigation, I feel the colour you >have chosen may lack contrast a little. but other than that, nice >site! > >cheers > >Chris Thompson > > >On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:03:43 -0500, Daniel Bowling ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Hello, I would greatly appreciate any feedback for my personal site >> regarding design, standards compliance, usability and general code >> quality. >> >> http://www.danbowling.com >> >> Thank you for your time, >> >> Dan Bowling >> W: http://www.danbowling.com >> >> ** >> The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ >> >> See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >> for some hints on posting to the list & getting help >> ** >> >> >** >The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help >** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Broken In Safari/IE Mac
I've had this problem too, I resorted to hiding certain rules using hacks (cringe) helped. This css hack chart is handy. http://centricle.com/ref/css/filters/ Safari CSS support: http://developer.apple.com/internet/css/safari_css.html Nice looking site though. Chris Thompson On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:17:54 +1000, Natalie Buxton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick, good point :) > > > > > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:06:58 +1000, Nick Gleitzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On 26 Oct 2004, at 9:37 AM, Natalie Buxton wrote: > > > > > Despite what I say on my site, I do not hate mac users, I am merely > > > envious of them. Who doesn't want such a pretty and fast machine? > > > > > > Mmm. Maybe '...asking you rich bastards...' rather than 'telling' might > > get you a little more sympathetic response? Maybe 'begging'? > > 'Imploring'? > > > > ;) > > > > N > > ___ > > Omnivision. Websight. > > http://www.omnivision.com.au/ > > > > > > > > ** > > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > > ** > > > > > > -- > Website Designer/Developer > www.nataliebuxton.com > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Review Request
Dan, Nice clean design, I like it. Very usable too, The only comment I would make would be on the primary Navigation, I feel the colour you have chosen may lack contrast a little. but other than that, nice site! cheers Chris Thompson On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:03:43 -0500, Daniel Bowling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, I would greatly appreciate any feedback for my personal site > regarding design, standards compliance, usability and general code > quality. > > http://www.danbowling.com > > Thank you for your time, > > Dan Bowling > W: http://www.danbowling.com > > ** > The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ > > See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > for some hints on posting to the list & getting help > ** > > ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
