[WSG] Float causing footer text to drop?

2004-10-31 Thread Lyn Patterson
Have added a floated box to main content area and this seems to have 
caused the footer text to drop out of the footer and sit beneath it.  I 
can't see where to correct this.  Have tried to clear it but obviously 
not putting it in the right place.  Any advice would be appreciated.

www.mwg.green.net.au/testpages/copycards.html
www.mwg.green.net.au/testpages/copytherest.css
Thanks
Lyn
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Re: [WSG] CSS drop-down menus

2004-10-31 Thread Florin Cojitza
Or you can try:

object type=application/x-shockwave-flash data=banner.swf
width=250 height=50
param name=movie value=banner.swf /
param name=quality value=high 
param name=bgcolor value=#ff 
param name=wmode value=transparent
img src=banner.jpg width=250 height=50 alt=banner
/object

See param name wmode! 
In action at teste.iqmp.ro/romdata/
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[WSG] Re: IE6 + float bug

2004-10-31 Thread Conversant Studios
apologies to bother thee crew...

was just an extra float in the center column that was throwing it out.

have a great sunday night!

Benvlio
p.s. the silent is the master of the hasty

Ben Webster
Conversant Studios
www.conversantstudios.com.au


On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:57:46 +1100, Conversant Studios
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 Hey there crew,
 
 hope you're all well.
 
 I'm gettin a strange manifestation of an IE6 (Win 200 // Win XP) bug
 with a site I'm recoding for some organic SEO. Go here for the damage:
 
 http://conversantstudios.com.au/wn/v12/index_03.html
 
 Anyone got any ideas?
 
 Let me know,
 Benvolio
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Re: [WSG] Float causing footer text to drop?

2004-10-31 Thread Michael Allan
Hi Lyn,
It's not the float which is causing the footer to drop, it's this rule:
p { margin-top: 5em;}
Set that to 0 and you'll find the footer text moves right back to where 
you want it.

Cheers,
Mike
On Sunday, October 31, 2004, at 07:00  PM, Lyn Patterson wrote:
Have added a floated box to main content area and this seems to have 
caused the footer text to drop out of the footer and sit beneath it.  
I can't see where to correct this.  Have tried to clear it but 
obviously not putting it in the right place.  Any advice would be 
appreciated.

www.mwg.green.net.au/testpages/copycards.html
www.mwg.green.net.au/testpages/copytherest.css
Thanks
Lyn
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[WSG] Accessibility evaluation practices - online survey

2004-10-31 Thread Dey Alexander
[Apologies for cross-posting]

I'm interested in learning more about the ways in which accessibility
practitioners (of all shapes and sizes) approach web accessibility
evaluation.

To this end I've set up an online survey that I hope those of you
working in this area will take the time to complete.  I will summarise
the results and make them available to the list.

Cheers,
Dey
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[WSG] Accessibility evaluation practices - online survey

2004-10-31 Thread Dey Alexander
And now I will engage my brain and include the URL to the survey:

http://deyalexander.com/survey.html

Cheers,
Dey
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[WSG] Margin Madness

2004-10-31 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi,
In the following css snippet each attempt at giving div#header a 
margin-top of 7.5em from the container; results in the container div 
moving an additional 7.5em from the top of the viewport, what am I 
missing? Is this the margin collapsing gremlin at work?

style type=text/css media=screen,projection
/* ckimedia winter layout - ckimedia.com */
/* You may adapt elements of this CSS in your own projects, but the 
unique combination of images, colors, sizes, typography, and 
positioning (the design) is copyright 2004 ckimedia.com and may not 
be reproduced. */
/* core values */
area,
base,
basefont,
head,
meta,
script,
style,
title,
noembed,
noscript,
param
	{
	display: none;
	}
	
* {
	margin: 0;
	padding: 0;
}	

body{
background: #696969 url(i/grad_back.jpg) fixed repeat-x;
font: 90%/1.4em new century schoolbook, serif;
}
div#container {
  margin: 10px auto;
  width: 600px; /* width of the overall page */
  height: 700px;
  text-align: left;
  background: #5A6995 url(i/bbg.gif) top right no-repeat;
}
div#header{
position: relative;
background-color: transparent;
border: 1px solid black;
}
div#header p{
background-color: transparent;

}
div#column1 {
   float : left;
   width : 45%;
   background-color: transparent;
   border: 1px solid black;
}
div#column2 {
   float : right;
   width : 45%;
   background-color: transparent;
   border: 1px solid black;
  }
div#footer{
   background-color: transparent;
   border: 1px solid black;
   clear: both;

}
/style
/head
body
div id=container
div id=headerpThis is the header./p/div
div id=column1This is column 1/div
div id=column2This is column 2/div
div id=footerThis is the Footer./div
/div
/body
/html
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Re: [WSG] Margin Madness

2004-10-31 Thread russ - maxdesign
Haven't looked closely but have you tried adding a border to the following
rule set to see if it is actually working, just not showing properly:

div#container
{
margin: 10px auto;
width: 600px;
height: 700px;
text-align: left;
background: #5A6995 url(i/bbg.gif) top right no-repeat;
border: 1px solid red; /* to highlight container */
}

The red border will highlight the div#container and possibly show that the
margin is working on div#header

Russ



 Hi,
 
 In the following css snippet each attempt at giving div#header a
 margin-top of 7.5em from the container; results in the container div
 moving an additional 7.5em from the top of the viewport, what am I
 missing? Is this the margin collapsing gremlin at work?
 
 
 style type=text/css media=screen,projection
 /* ckimedia winter layout - ckimedia.com */
 /* You may adapt elements of this CSS in your own projects, but the
 unique combination of images, colors, sizes, typography, and
 positioning (the design) is copyright 2004 ckimedia.com and may not
 be reproduced. */
 /* core values */
 area,
 base,
 basefont,
 head,
 meta,
 script,
 style,
 title,
 noembed,
 noscript,
 param
 {
 display: none;
 }
 
 * {
 margin: 0;
 padding: 0;
 }
 
 
 body{
 background: #696969 url(i/grad_back.jpg) fixed repeat-x;
font: 90%/1.4em new century schoolbook, serif;
 }
 
 div#container {
  margin: 10px auto;
  width: 600px; /* width of the overall page */
  height: 700px;
  text-align: left;
  background: #5A6995 url(i/bbg.gif) top right no-repeat;
 }
 div#header{
 position: relative;
 background-color: transparent;
 border: 1px solid black;
 }
 div#header p{
 background-color: transparent;
 
 }
 
 
 div#column1 {
   float : left;
   width : 45%;
   background-color: transparent;
   border: 1px solid black;
 }
 div#column2 {
   float : right;
   width : 45%;
   background-color: transparent;
   border: 1px solid black;
  }
 
 
 div#footer{
   background-color: transparent;
   border: 1px solid black;
   clear: both;
 
 
 
 }
 
 /style
 
 /head
 
 body
 
 div id=container
 div id=headerpThis is the header./p/div
div id=column1This is column 1/div
div id=column2This is column 2/div
 div id=footerThis is the Footer./div
 /div
 
 /body
 /html
 
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Re: [WSG] Margin Madness

2004-10-31 Thread russ - maxdesign
 The red border will highlight the div#container and possibly show that the
 margin is working on div#header

I forgot to add that if this is the case, you are seeing margin trapping at
work. Previously discussed on-list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg06982.html

R

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Re: [WSG] Margin Madness

2004-10-31 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi,
After removing the border the problem returned. So included a 
padding-top of 5em; on the container div, is this the correct course of 
action, as it seemed to work in accordance to the article.

C
On Sunday, October 31, 2004, at 02:02 PM, russ - maxdesign wrote:
The red border will highlight the div#container and possibly show 
that the
margin is working on div#header
I forgot to add that if this is the case, you are seeing margin 
trapping at
work. Previously discussed on-list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg06982.html

R
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[WSG] Observing Users Who Work With Screen Readers

2004-10-31 Thread Steven . Faulkner

Interesting observational study of screen reader users (PDF)


 Guidelines for Accessible and Usable Web Sites: Observing Users Who Work   
 With Screen Readers


http://www.redish.net/content/papers/InteractionsPaperAuthorsVer.pdf




with regards

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Re: [WSG] Observing Users Who Work With Screen Readers

2004-10-31 Thread Steven . Faulkner

sorry forgot to say that it is a big file - 904kb

Interesting observational study of screen reader users (PDF)

with regards

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Interesting observational study of screen reader users (PDF)


 Guidelines for Accessible and Usable Web Sites: Observing Users Who Work

 With Screen Readers



http://www.redish.net/content/papers/InteractionsPaperAuthorsVer.pdf




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Re: [WSG] Margin Madness

2004-10-31 Thread russ - maxdesign
There are a few ways around it. That is one (although it should be 7.5em?).
Another is to add a 1px border of the same colour as the container - depends
on your need.

 Hi,
 
 After removing the border the problem returned. So included a
 padding-top of 5em; on the container div, is this the correct course of
 action, as it seemed to work in accordance to the article.

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Re: [WSG] Margin Madness

2004-10-31 Thread Lea de Groot
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 15:05:01 -0800, Chris Kennon wrote:
 After removing the border the problem returned. So included a 
 padding-top of 5em; on the container div, is this the correct course 
 of action, as it seemed to work in accordance to the article.

I don't know how hacky it is as a hack, but i have had a couple of 
layouts where I couldn't get it to work without defining a border - so 
I defined a border to match the background colour.
hacky... but it got the job done. :(

Lea
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Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/
Brisbane, Australia
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Re: [WSG] Margin Madness

2004-10-31 Thread Andrew Krespanis
 Another is to add a 1px border of the same colour as the container - depends
 on your need.

Or even
border:1px solid transparent;


Andrew

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Re: [WSG] Observing Users Who Work With Screen Readers

2004-10-31 Thread Terrence Wood
Thanks Steven, this is a great resource.
cheers, Terrence Wood.
On 2004-11-01 12:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting observational study of screen reader users (PDF)


 Guidelines for Accessible and Usable Web Sites: Observing Users Who Work   
 With Screen Readers


http://www.redish.net/content/papers/InteractionsPaperAuthorsVer.pdf
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Re: [WSG] Observing Users Who Work With Screen Readers

2004-10-31 Thread Jorge Laranjo
Thanks Steven. This is a great Weekend article :D
Read it and like it.


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  Interesting observational study of screen reader users (PDF)
 
 
   Guidelines for Accessible and Usable Web Sites: Observing Users Who Work
   With Screen Readers
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Margin Madness

2004-10-31 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi,
I was hoping this one would work, as I gave it a try also.
:)
On Sunday, October 31, 2004, at 03:55 PM, Andrew Krespanis wrote:
border:1px solid transparent;
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[WSG] using em widths in IE 5.5

2004-10-31 Thread Andreas Boehmer
Hi guys,

I have been using em-units for different widths in one of my latest
websites (203.17.179.45 - you have to click past the initial CM3 screen)
and everything worked fine in IE 6 as well as Opera and Mozilla, until I
went and checked it in IE 5.5. It seems 5.5 interprets the width of an
EM slightly different? If you roll over the menu items you will see what
I mean.

Any idea how to fix this problem without applying hacks? You will notice
my menu.css is already way too big as it is and I will have to reduce it
ASAP without adding hacks everywhere.

Thanks for the help.

Andreas Boehmer
User Experience Consultant

Phone: (03) 9417 0468
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RE: [WSG] CSS drop-down menus

2004-10-31 Thread Stephen Cheshire
That's correct - embeded (with the embed tag) content does always
appear on top. However, for browsers that make use of the object tag -
IE for example, you can do this by including an extra param tag in your
object tag as follows:

param name=wmode value=transparent





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Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS drop-down menus


Shane Helm asked:
 I am about to start a project that I am going to use CSS drop-down
 menus at the very top of the web page.  Directly below the menu bar 
 will be a banner bar that will be done in Flash.  So before I begin, 
 will the CSS drop-down menus drop down over the Flash banner 
 correctly?

No. Embedded content (Flash, Quicktime, etc.) always appears above 
other content, regardless of z-index.

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[WSG] Duplicate navigation?

2004-10-31 Thread Ben Hamilton
Hi all,
   I'm wondering if this is possible: to have content inside of a div 
displayed in two places on my page?

That is, to specify some content once only, but have it display twice on 
a single page?

Is it possible? If so, is it sematicly correct?
My use for this is navigation. It would mean I could specify my 
navigation in one place i.e.  div id=navigation.../div and have it 
display once under my branding at the top of the page, and again at the 
bottom of the page, using a class to change the way it displays.

Ta,
Ben.
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Re: [WSG] Duplicate navigation?

2004-10-31 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:11:38 +1000, Ben Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm wondering if this is possible: to have content inside of a div
 displayed in two places on my page?

Not with CSS. You sound like you need some kind of server-side
scripting include - either SSI, PHP, ColdFusion, ASP etc.

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