[WSG] problem with a layout

2004-11-17 Thread patrik breitenmoser
hi all, i tryed to make a website with css. i became the layout from a friend of mine. the problem know is, that i think it's not that easy to do it in css. i started the page and tested it in safar. everything lookt ok. but all other browsers escpecali ie/pc it looks terrible. could someone

Re: [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004

2004-11-17 Thread Will Jensen
Dave, You need some tranquilizers man. You did miss my point. Macromedia sells a product that purports to work with IE and most other browsers. Macromedia DreamWeaver MX has a defective template. Simple as that. A minor problem that could have been avoided by a bit more careful checking before

[WSG] Font size

2004-11-17 Thread Javier
Hi I'm trying to develope a site with proportional font size. When I start to test what I did, I falled in problems with Firefox/IE differences. Fonts that in Firefox appears big or normal in IE appear so small. Then I tried to check other sites to see what the people are doing... I've seen a

Re: [WSG] problem with a layout

2004-11-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
patrik breitenmoser wrote: hi all, i tryed to make a website with css. i became the layout from a friend of mine. the problem know is, that i think it's not that easy to do it in css. i started the page and tested it in safar. everything lookt ok. but all other browsers escpecali ie/pc it looks

Re: [WSG] DreamWeaver Template Left (or Right) Halo Nav in DW MX2004

2004-11-17 Thread csslist
lol well i took the comment probably different then you meant it but microcrap chooses to avoid the main stream in hopes that everyone does things their way or pay the price. (can we say Monopoly?) now when MM made those templates im sure they worked just fine especially in IE and the

[WSG] Some links for light reading (17/11/04)

2004-11-17 Thread russ - maxdesign
EDS goes full CSS: http://www.eds.com/ More on EDS's launch: http://web-graphics.com/mtarchive/001457.php The Mobile Web: http://www.russellbeattie.com/notebook/1008162.html The CSS Anthology: 101 Essential Tips, Tricks and Hacks, Chapter 2 - Text Styling and Other Basics:

Re: [WSG] zoom, or text zoom?

2004-11-17 Thread designer
Hi all, and thanks to those who replied. I would like to (briefly) comment on a few remarks: [1 2] From: Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 1:11 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] zoom, or text zoom? With page zoom it's very easy to end up with something

RE: [WSG] Font size

2004-11-17 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
Personally I set a 100% font-size for the body to start off with and then set individual % for the different tags and classes. The problem you describe sounds like something I struggled with at the beginning as well: I presume what is happening is that you are inheriting sizes between nested

Re: [WSG] Site-Check:

2004-11-17 Thread David Laakso
Felix Miata wrote: Francesco wrote: On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:12:58 -0500, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [about http://www.sportopolis.be] Find a UXGA 15 laptop, then show it to your grandparents using IE. They probably won't be able to read any of your content or links without a

Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (17/11/04)

2004-11-17 Thread Bennie Shepherd
Looks good in netscape 7.1 On 11/17/2004 7:30:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EDS has certainly gone with CSS, and the site is clean, simple, and engaging, but someone forgot to test the site in Netscape 7.02 because the navbar is producing a nasty effect. Mario EDS goes full CSS:

Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (17/11/04)

2004-11-17 Thread standards
I just tested the site in Mozilla and it looks fine, but in Netscape 7.02 all the elements are pushed down when you mouseover the top level navbar. Maybe it's just me :) Looks good in netscape 7.1 On 11/17/2004 7:30:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EDS has certainly gone with CSS, and the

[WSG] Flash Standards Validation

2004-11-17 Thread Olajide Olaolorun
I am setting up a site that requires flash but i notice that some of the needed tags for some browsers are not valid... Can anyone tell me the valid code... Te last one I tried did not work well with IE5.5 or less... Thanks -- Best Regards, Olajide Olaolorun @ www.olajideolaolorun.com

Re: [WSG] Flash Standards Validation

2004-11-17 Thread Iain Harrison
Wednesday, November 17, 2004, 12:50:34 PM, Olajide wrote: Can anyone tell me the valid code... Te last one I tried did not work well with IE5.5 or less. It's really difficult to do all three of: 1. Check for the flash plugin 2. Use a valid method to load the flash object 3. Stream the flash

Re: [WSG] Flash Standards Validation

2004-11-17 Thread Olajide Olaolorun
I am still trying to learn flash the main program but for now I just use Swish Max for some small effects and later try to learn flash when I have finished everyhting in my hand... -- Best Regards, Olajide Olaolorun @ www.olajideolaolorun.com ...ain't nothing impossible unless you make it...

Re: [WSG] Flash Standards Validation

2004-11-17 Thread Johannes Reiss
try: bodypValid Flash example for XHTML 1.0 Strict/pp object type=application/x-shockwave-flash data=abc.swf width=355 height=282 param name=movie value=extro6.swf / img src=abc.gif width=355 height=282 alt=banner / /object/p /body should validate to XHTML 1.0 Strict. best regards johannes

Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (17/11/04)

2004-11-17 Thread Johannes Reiss
sorry, of course: bodypValid Flash example for XHTML 1.0 Strict/pp object type=application/x-shockwave-flash data=abc.swf width=355 height=282 param name=movie value=abc.swf / img src=abc.gif width=355 height=282 alt=banner / /object/p /body johannes - Original Message - From: [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] Font size

2004-11-17 Thread Jeroen Visser [ vizi ]
Javier wrote: I'm trying to develope a site with proportional font size. I've seen people that apply a font small in body and then use em's in all other settings. I've seen people that apply a 65% font-size in body, others a 100%, etc.. and then use em's in other settings but others use

Re: [WSG] Flash Standards Validation

2004-11-17 Thread csslist
the noraml embed tag will choke on validation as it is a depreciated tag several ppl have added the work around already what i do for flash checking is this open up flash and change the canvas size to 1 pixel by 1 pixel and in the actionscript i just add this line of code getURL (main.html)

Re: [WSG] Site-Check:

2004-11-17 Thread Jeroen Visser [ vizi ]
Felix Miata wrote: Kristof Rutten wrote: http://www.sportopolis.be 12px body is bad, bad, bad. You make it sound like Kristof is your little puppy who has just taken a leak on your precious new carpet. ;-/ A little explanation or a link to background info would've been nice. For Kristof:

Re: [WSG] Font size

2004-11-17 Thread David Laakso
Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] wrote: Javier wrote: I'm trying to develope a site with proportional font size. I've seen people that apply a font small in body and then use em's in all other settings. I've seen people that apply a 65% font-size in body, others a 100%, etc.. and then use em's in other

[WSG] Embedding Web Standards

2004-11-17 Thread Mark Wonsil
I often wondered if there would be a way to install a plug-in (or BHO for IE) into non-standard browsers that would then render web pages according to web standards. Recently, I ran across a web site that promoted a Java class that enables Java applications to embed a standards-based browser.

Re: [WSG] Flash Standards Validation

2004-11-17 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, As I've not had a strong cup of Earl Grey this morning, this reply could be as useful as (2) left shoes, but the following url has a pretty solid standards compliant flash-embed method: http://blog.deconcept.com/2004/10/14/web-standards-compliant- javascript-flash-detect-and-embed/ C

Re: [WSG] Site-Check:

2004-11-17 Thread Michael Wilson
David Laakso wrote: FF Horizontal page shift when h v menu items are clicked, although perhaps not as noticeable as in Opera. Text zooms vertically, breaking horizontal menu rather quickly. IE6 No shift when h v menu items are clicked. Text does *not* zoom. Wouldn't that jump be Firefox

Re: [WSG] Flash Standards Validation

2004-11-17 Thread Olajide Olaolorun
This is a really intresting topic because you would think that Macromedia or W3C will agree on something -- Best Regards, Olajide Olaolorun @ www.olajideolaolorun.com ...ain't nothing impossible unless you make it... ** The discussion list

[WSG] label problems in Netscape 7, input problems in Safari 1.2

2004-11-17 Thread Ted Drake
Hello All I recently made some changes to our site to make text zooming better in Internet Explorer. When I did a browser cam screen shot, I noticed some problems with Netscape 7 and Safari 1.2 and I wanted to know if anyone had any ideas. Here is the browsercam public page to look at the

[WSG] RE: [css-d] label problems in Netscape 7, input problems in Safari 1.2

2004-11-17 Thread Ted Drake
I just downloaded and installed netscape 7.2 and everything looks fine. It probably was just a 7.0 thing. Ted Drake wrote: *** I noticed some problems with Netscape 7 and Safari 1.2 and I wanted to know if anyone had any ideas. Here is the browsercam public page to look at the screen shots:

[WSG] (another) Site Check :)

2004-11-17 Thread Dave Elkan
Fellow WebStandardites, I've just finished my first site since moving over here to the UK from Australia. Unfortunately for that reason I don't have all of my equipment with me and to make matters worse we don't have a mac testing station here at work. Is there any chance someone could have a

Re: [WSG] Font size

2004-11-17 Thread Terrence Wood
Most modern browsers set the default font to something equivalent to IE default/medium font size: 16pt or 16px @96dpi it's kind of a field leveler and fonts sizes are more likely to be similar cross platform, and cross browser. Setting a smaller % size on the body means, as a designer, you

Re: [WSG] (another) Site Check :)

2004-11-17 Thread Jeroen Visser [ vizi ]
Dave Elkan wrote: Fellow WebStandardites, I've just finished my first site since moving over here to the UK from Australia. Unfortunately for that reason I don't have all of my equipment with me and to make matters worse we don't have a mac testing station here at work. Is there any chance

Re: [WSG] Some links for light reading (17/11/04)

2004-11-17 Thread Hugh Todd
Looks great in a Panther version of Safari, but in Safari 1 it falls apart. The navigation in particular. I guess partly because it relies entirely on CSS for the dropdown menus, providing a separate stylesheet link and Javascript for IE PC. -Hugh Todd EDS goes full CSS: http://www.eds.com/

Re: [WSG] Font size

2004-11-17 Thread David Laakso
Terrence Wood wrote: Most modern browsers set the default font to something equivalent to IE default/medium font size: 16pt or 16px @96dpi it's kind of a field leveler and fonts sizes are more likely to be similar cross platform, and cross browser. Setting a smaller % size on the body

[WSG] image alignment?

2004-11-17 Thread adam reitsma
Hello, This might be a familiar story to you - i'm after a simple image layout. I can code this layout in tables with my eyes shut, but can't get it to work for me using css for layout. http://adam.mvknowles.com/imagealign/test.html are you able to make the top example look like the bottom one?

Re: [WSG] Font size

2004-11-17 Thread Terrence Wood
David, be sure to read the rest of my post. After all the maths you end up with a font-size of 12px for the main copy in modern browsers with default font settings. It displays well in IE, and of course the text is resizable. It works like this: browser default = 16px; therefore body = 16px;

Re: [WSG] Font size

2004-11-17 Thread Jonathan T. Sage
David - as a side note, this method, using an overall percentage and then the 'em' keyword is the only way to allow IE to resize text as expected. I too tend to use 62.5, because for my (much younger is seems ;-) ) eyes, I prefer it. But, it will very much allow resize to happen, where

Re: [WSG] image alignment?

2004-11-17 Thread Lyn Patterson
Hi Adam I am only a beginner myself, but I would float them, one left and one right. I am sure someone else will give you good advice . Lyn On 18/11/04 9:23:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, This might be a familiar story to you - i'm after a simple image layout. I can code this

[WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-17 Thread Terrence Wood
Does anyone on this list deliberately force IE6 into quirks mode? I have seen this done on a couple sites (ok...one), where the site has a comment in the first line before the doctype ( = quirks mode ).the notion of doing this seems attractive at first glance because you can lump IE5, 5.5 and

Re: [WSG] image alignment?

2004-11-17 Thread Sam - SS29
http://www.ss29.co.uk/wsg/test.html Float Left and Right with a few additions, Making the transition from table based old skool designs to XHTML - CSS with all the rigours of even transitional standard is quite a task simple issues like images alignment etc can seem insurmountable at times. The

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-17 Thread Sam - SS29
I have forced Quirks mode for certain browsers in the past, I became quite an involved approach. My current goal is to use a robust xhtml/css layout and use a minium of hacks I am inspired by the concept of a sequence of css hacks to deliver certain styles to certain browsers

Re: [WSG] image alignment?

2004-11-17 Thread Bryan Loeper
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:23:05 +1100, adam reitsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, are you able to make the top example look like the bottom one? one image left aligned, one right aligned, both vertically centred? http://stainedpaper.com/wsg/1/index.xht That's my halfway-attempt at it. CSS

Re: [WSG] image alignment?

2004-11-17 Thread Joseph Lindsay
Try this: http://www.thenoodleincident.com/tutorials/box_lesson/boxes.html Check out the source of each one. Play around with a few numbers and selectors to see what effect each has. On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:17:29 +, Sam - SS29 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.ss29.co.uk/wsg/test.html

[WSG] Validators - might be helpful.

2004-11-17 Thread Jonathan T. Sage
Hello! for quite a while, I have been playing with the idea of an automated validator on my largest web site. Due to it's nature, it is updated often, and usually not by myself. So, using a bit of perl, and HTML::Tidy, I came up with the following. It assumes the web sites lives in

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-17 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Terrence Wood wrote: Does anyone on this list deliberately force IE6 into quirks mode? Yes, always... :) I have seen this done on a couple sites (ok...one), where the site has a comment in the first line before the doctype ( = quirks mode ).the notion of doing this seems attractive at first

Re: [WSG] forcing IE6 into quirks mode

2004-11-17 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 18 Nov 2004, at 11:08 am, Terrence Wood wrote: Does anyone on this list deliberately force IE6 into quirks mode? I'm toying with the idea myself - 'cause, as far as I can see, IE6 pseudo standards mode is lots of pseudo, lots of instability, and hence mountains of head ache and wasted time on

Re: [WSG] Font size

2004-11-17 Thread Felix Miata
Terrence Wood wrote: Most modern browsers set the default font to something equivalent to IE default/medium font size: 16pt or 16px @96dpi it's kind of a field 12pt @ 96 nominal DPI is 16px. 16pt @ 96 nominal DPI is 21.3px. For IE6 users who need and set large fonts in the OS, the nominal

Re: [WSG] Font size

2004-11-17 Thread Felix Miata
David Laakso wrote: Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] wrote: I myself set a base size on the body element (most of the time 76% like Owen Briggs) and then use em's to set up the rest of the typography. Hmm, 76% on the body element, thats 24% smaller than my default? Kinda tough on us older folks.

Re: [WSG] Font size

2004-11-17 Thread Felix Miata
Terrence Wood wrote: Most web sites use some form of font reduction. This is highly unfortunate for web users: http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/defaultsize.html -- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... U.S.

Re: [WSG] Font size

2004-11-17 Thread Nick Lo
Hi Felix, Nothing fundamentally wrong with your arguments but to balance them a little I had a client just recently ask for text to be made smaller (it wasn't in any way large) and they often ask for spacing to be reduced in order to get more content above the fold. I think pointing the blame

Re: [WSG] Font size

2004-11-17 Thread Natalie Buxton
Arggh Comic Sans - my eyes! my eyes! Ahem. Being a designer, I don't have a problem with letting the site visitor resize their text to whatever they like. What I do have a problem with is people telling me, that as a designer, I'm arrogant for wanting my fonts to appear slightly smaller than