Re: [WSG] It's so frustrating. Webstandars, accesibility and Firefox as a sales argument.

2004-11-26 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:57:29 +0800, Vicki Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I rarely even mention web standards to clients anymore unless they are snip Amen! -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com/ ** The discussion list for

Re: [WSG] It's so frustrating. Webstandars, accesibility and Firefox as a sales argument.

2004-11-26 Thread Andy Budd
Regarding charging - like anything, the more experienced you get the faster you get so it's a bit silly to charge across a project on the basis of time spent. I agree with pretty much everything you've said apart from this. Firstly I don't necessarily think that the more experienced you are the

Re: [WSG] It's so frustrating. Webstandars, accesibility and Firefox as a sales argument.

2004-11-26 Thread Vicki Berry
Oh I'm with you there, Andy! I realised after I sent that email that I could have put that better. I agree that the rate you charge is in many ways a reflection of your knowledge and experience, and that knowledge and experience can lead you to put in more effort in some ways. I still think,

[WSG] Mobile and Browser Emulators

2004-11-26 Thread Genau Junior
Hello Everybody Can anyone, tell me where i can emulate my xhtml interface in a plenty of differents browsers, like pda´s, opera, konqueror, etc...? I would appreciate, some links. thanks. Genau Lopes JúniorWebDesigner

Re: [WSG] Adobe Forum comment on CSS in visual editors

2004-11-26 Thread Marilyn Langfeld
Hi folks, As I said when I sent the first post, I thought it would be good to hear what an Adobe employee had to say about implementing CSS in their visual editor. especially in light of the discussion of searching to hire CSS-capable employees (especially designers). I would think that most

[WSG] Border gap

2004-11-26 Thread Aaron Pollock
Title: Border gap Hi folks, The following is a work in progress but I have a problem HYPERLINK http://newsite.websitedirection.com/ http://newsite.websitedirection.com/ The green border going across the bottom of the header div is not touching the right hand side of the wrapper div and

Re: [WSG] Learning to design Accessibility

2004-11-26 Thread Jeroen Visser [ vizi ]
David McDonald wrote: Try the W3C as a good starting point: http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/ http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/ http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/full-checklist.html http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-TECHS/ And possibly --as 2.0 is in its final stages--: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/ This second

[WSG] font too small??

2004-11-26 Thread john
For the most part, the debute of my standards-friendly redesign has been met with great fanfare, but I've been receiving a few emails from people saying that the text is way too small. This, I do not understand, as I've used em to specify font sizes, and they all look good to most. Of

[WSG] Text around an image | your opinion

2004-11-26 Thread berry
I tried to find different ways to manage Float with text. I found an interesting solution for text around image and I would like to have your opinion about this method I have test this page on Mozilla and IE mac. If CreateurFloatBIEMAC.htm works on both browser the second link

Re: [WSG] Mobile and Browser Emulators

2004-11-26 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Genau Junior wrote: Can anyone, tell me where i can emulate my xhtml interface in a plenty of differents browsers, like pda´s, opera, konqueror, etc...? For browser: I'd start with http://www.browsercam.com/ and, wherever possible, installing any browsers you can on your dev machine. For mobile

[WSG] Special Character

2004-11-26 Thread berry
Is there a way, without setting the server, to write some code on the HTML page to have accent in french or special character without changing each special character with this kind of code #233; ? I tryed different charset but no one works ! Do you know which MIME is used on the server side

[WSG] Special Character

2004-11-26 Thread berry
Is there a way, without setting the server, to write some code on the HTML page to have accent in french or special character without changing each special character with this kind of code #233; ? I tryed different charset but no one works ! Do you know which MIME is used on the server side

Re: [WSG] font too small??

2004-11-26 Thread Susanne Jäger
john wrote: So, what would be affecting these users who are saying the text is too small? Default computer font size? What do I tell them, or is there anything more I can do on my site? http://cslewis.drzeus.net You define font-size for the #content text to 80% of my preferred font-size. For

Re: [WSG] font too small??

2004-11-26 Thread john
Thank you, Sam. I agree...this is what I've been telling them. Admittedly, I was hoping for a better solution. It's not very good to have people leave your site and never return simply because they didn't realise they're brower's settings weren't optimised for their own needs. ~john

Re: [WSG] Mobile and Browser Emulators

2004-11-26 Thread john
I've found some success with http://www.dejavu.org/ ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter on 11/26/2004 5:52 PM Patrick H. Lauke said the following: Genau Junior wrote: Can anyone, tell me where i can emulate my xhtml interface in a

Re: [WSG] font too small??

2004-11-26 Thread Sam Brown
SJ You define font-size for the #content text to 80% of my preferred SJ font-size. For me that's too small for reading comfortably, especially SJ if I don't use Verdana but another less huge font. And on the other hand, I find the 0.8em to be just fine. In fact, I set much of my font sizes to

[WSG] optimising CSS?

2004-11-26 Thread john
I'm just wondering if there's a service available that optimises stylesheets. I know I have redundancies and some junk code in my CSS, and I'd love to have it streamlined. Any thoughts? -- ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter

Re: [WSG] Mobile and Browser Emulators

2004-11-26 Thread Genau Junior
Thanks, Patrick, and John. Very usefull tools. Genau Lopes Júnior WebDesigner - Original Message - From: Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Mobile and Browser Emulators Genau Junior wrote: Can

Re: [WSG] Border gap

2004-11-26 Thread Big John
Aaron Pollock wrote: The following is a work in progress but I have a problem… HYPERLINK http://newsite.websitedirection.com/ http://newsite.websitedirection.com/ The green border going across the bottom of the header div is not touching the right hand side of the wrapper div and I can't

Re: [WSG] optimising CSS?

2004-11-26 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
john wrote: I'm just wondering if there's a service available that optimises stylesheets. I know I have redundancies and some junk code in my CSS, and I'd love to have it streamlined. Any thoughts? I don't think there are software capable of doing any _real_ clean-up in CSS-- yet. Have heard

Re: [WSG] optimising CSS?

2004-11-26 Thread john
I agree that ultimately doing it yourself is the best solution...but it would be really helpful if I could see an optimised version of my CSS, for comparison. That's one of the best ways for me to learn. ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content

[WSG] CSS Footer

2004-11-26 Thread Lawrence Carriere
I've got two questions but as they are different topics completely, I will separate them into two different threads. They kind of relate, but not enough, so here's the first one regarding CSS footer: -- I've read countless articles, attempted to apply many methods but just can't seem to

RE: [WSG] Border gap

2004-11-26 Thread Aaron Pollock
Thanks John. Narrowing the mainnav did sort it out - much appreciated. Now I can get on with building the rest of it... Aaron -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.2 - Release Date: 24/11/2004 -- No virus found in

Re: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature

2004-11-26 Thread Mark Harwood
The best and only way i do pop-ups is href=http://google.com/; onclick=window.open(this.href, 'popupwindow', 'width=400,height=300,scrollbars,resizable');return false; this allows you to do whatever you like with the link and also makes it valid, right click-able and so forth.. Remeber to put

Re: [WSG] optimising CSS?

2004-11-26 Thread Rob Mientjes
Flump to the rescue: http://flumpcakes.co.uk/css/optimiser/ On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:34:35 +, john [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that ultimately doing it yourself is the best solution...but it would be really helpful if I could see an optimised version of my CSS, for comparison. That's

RE: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature

2004-11-26 Thread Derek Featherstone
On Friday, November 26, 2004 2:53 PM, Mark Harwood wrote: The best and only way i do pop-ups is href=http://google.com/; onclick=window.open(this.href, 'popupwindow', 'width=400,height=300,scrollbars,resizable');return false; this allows you to do whatever you like with the link and also

Re: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature

2004-11-26 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Mark Harwood Remeber to put onKeypress too I'd disagree. I've had this rant before, but here goes: onclick is not a device specific handler. Onclick is also activated by the keyboard (e.g. hitting return when focus is on a link). It's a misnomer, and should really be onactivation or something.

RE: [WSG] font too small??

2004-11-26 Thread Mike Pepper
John, Have you thought about running a JavaScript font resizer and storing preferences in a cookie. It won't work for whatever percentage (9-13?) of users who disable JavaScript but at least it will permit the majority of your audience to set and return. Something a long the lines of

Re: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature

2004-11-26 Thread Mark Harwood
OnActivation would proberly be better to use, only reason i state to use onKeyPress is that validators moan if u dont use it. But whatever way you activate the link, this is still the best way to get a pop up or a new page. On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 20:19 , Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

RE: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature

2004-11-26 Thread Derek Featherstone
On Friday, November 26, 2004 3:57 PM, Mark Harwood wrote: OnActivation would proberly be better to use, only reason i state to use onKeyPress is that validators moan if u dont use it. That's the problem -- there is no onactivate, but that is what they probably should have called onclick though.

Re: [WSG] optimising CSS?

2004-11-26 Thread Amit Karmakar
my 2 cents worth. I have used: http://flumpcakes.co.uk/css/optimiser/ it does a good job but doesnt clean it up all. There is no substitute to doing the checks manually. First align up the key elements like body etc and then follow through with the div as on the HTML page. You will notice if the

RE: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature

2004-11-26 Thread Mark Harwood
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:05 , Derek Featherstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: My vote: let the automated checkers moan about this all day. Ignore them. Don't add onkeypress in the name of accessibility and device independence... Try telling that to SOCTiM who check all local council sites, they take

RE: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature

2004-11-26 Thread Mike Pepper
Think of onclick as a 2-action process: mouse down selects the object, mouse up - if still on-focus - activates the link, in this instance. Same for keyboard action: tab to object selects it, enter/return activates it. They do the same job, across all browsers. Tell you what, why not run a

Re: [WSG] optimising CSS?

2004-11-26 Thread Jeffrey Hardy
While nothing will beat the old-fashioned 'by-hand' approach, Topstyle's 'style sweeper' does a pretty good job. http://www.bradsoft.com/topstyle/ It can automatically combine your rules, sort your selectors logically, and even order your properties by spec. (i.e. css 2). Oh, and it can

Re: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature

2004-11-26 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Mike Pepper wrote: Think of onclick as a 2-action process: mouse down selects the object, mouse up - if still on-focus - activates the link, in this instance. Same for keyboard action: tab to object selects it, enter/return activates it. Oh, something just occurred to me: best make it explicit

RE: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature

2004-11-26 Thread Mike Pepper
Patrick wrote: Oh, something just occurred to me: best make it explicit that we're talking about onclick behaviours on elements that receive focus via the keyboard (links, form elements). obviously, if you have applied onclick to something else (like a plain vanilla image, or a paragraph, etc),

Re: [WSG] optimising CSS?

2004-11-26 Thread Amit Karmakar
John, Not quite, but if you start removing unwanted white space from HTML and CSS you will see an improvement. We use indenting for beter reading, for the browser it doesnt really matter. in fact its detrimental(sort of) You would see that feature used for HTML if you browse using OmniWeb(Mac OS

Re: [WSG] optimising CSS?

2004-11-26 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 18:23:15 -0500, Jeffrey Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While nothing will beat the old-fashioned 'by-hand' approach, Topstyle's 'style sweeper' does a pretty good job. Another handy feature of TopStyle is the orphan class finder. I don't have it on this machine so I forget

Re: [WSG] font too small??

2004-11-26 Thread Terrence Wood
erm, yes font-size is usually a strongly debated topic, not only here but on any list. I suggest checking out the css-d wiki which has a pretty good explanation of the issues and answers most questions anyone could have. Start here: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=FontSize I also suggest

RE: [WSG] IE's New JavaScript Blocking Feature

2004-11-26 Thread Lawrence Carriere
Mark Harwood wrote: --- The best and only way i do pop-ups is href=http://google.com/; onclick=window.open(this.href, 'popupwindow', 'width=400,height=300,scrollbars,resizable');return false; this allows you to do whatever you like with the link and also makes it valid, right