Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Chris Stratford wrote:
1)
Printing IGNORES all background attributes...
This is understandable - but I didn't realise this until just now...
So my LI background elements weren't printing (or showing in Print
Preview which is how I check what it looks like)
A small
From: Chris Stratford
I dont know if I explained it correctly - or if you
understoood what I
meant.
But the problem I am having is the LIST BULLET are printing
in IE, but
not FF...
Ah ok, I thought you had used trickery with background images.
Fair enough, it looks like a wrong-ish
Hi Folks,
This is my first message to the list, but I have been
watching for a little while. Weldon to the Administrators for maintaining a
good list, and to the posters for keeping the list so busy!
Anyway, the company I work for (Netring) has starting
producing web standards
On 2 Dec 2004, at 9:19 PM, Phil Baines wrote:
web standards complaint sites
Cool. Is this for complaining about sites that aren't compliant?
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web standards complaint sites
Cool. Is this for complaining about sites that aren't compliant?
N
HAha! Good catch Obviously it should have been web standards compliant
sites.
Thanks for helping me laugh at myself :)
Phil
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Couple of suggestions:
* Place link to Home at left, not right, of menu bar
* Replace ALT text in menu bar with text of link rather than accesskey
ref
* I like your field hilighting on forms but the Send button should be
vsually different from the fields
* Always mark mandatory fields and advised
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:19:19 -, Phil Baines
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Hi Folks,
This is my first message to the list, but I have been watching for a little
while. Weldon to the Administrators for maintaining a good list, and to the
posters for keeping the list so busy!
snip /
Nick Lo wrote:
During development when referring to HTML (and perhaps CSS) with a
client do you use the term code or the more pedantically correct,
though perhaps less recognised, term markup ?
My own preference is:
XHTML -- mark-up
CSS -- styling
JavaScript, PHP, etc... -- code
What's in a name? Read this and find out:
http://computerworld.com/departments/opinions/sharktank/0,4885,97840,00.html
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@ Rob:
The first things that caught my attention are the file sizes of the
images. Not everybody's on broadband yet...
Some of the Cardi Grain ones yeah, but I dont think that the other two
sites have any really big images. Some of them will probably go under some
high optimisation before
@ Graham Cook:
* Place link to Home at left, not right, of menu bar
Good usability point. Thanks. I take it you were referring to the
Scaffolding site, I have changed this, and I am making the logo a link to
the home page also (something I normally always do, but forgot in this
case).
*
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:13:16 -, Phil Baines
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Clean code, except for two silly things I checked in Teifi's site: a
name=content class=skipTonbsp;/a The attribute name should be
replaced by id, and the link may have some content to keep in logical
for screen
@Rob
Hey, I'm just a n00b.
Hey, we are all n00bs in some way, learning something new every day. I will
look into this, and see what comes out of it. You might be right about the
spec, but sometimes we have to trade off between the spec, and what browsers
actually support.
Thanks for your
Mike,
Comes a bit late as I'm sure you've move on, but I think you would
still find this interesting.
http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1070385285count=1
Cheers,
Chris.
On 12/11/2004, at 3:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We have encountered alignment issues between our target browsers.
The code example
Going to Merriam-Webster:
Code, n.
1 : a systematic statement of a body of law; especially : one given
statutory force
2 : a system of principles or rules moral code
...
5 : a set of instructions for a computer
Markup, n.
1 : an amount added to the cost price to determine the selling price;
Well, speaking again as a print designer, markup is a typesetting industry term meaning applying styles (yes style tags) to text (and has been for a very long time).
Used to be, you'd mark up text to send to the typographer. They'd apply that markup to text in whatever technology was employed at
Phil Baines :
http://dev.netring.co.uk/teifiscaffolding/
http://dev.netring.co.uk/cardi%5Fgrain/
http://dev.netring.co.uk/lloydmotors/
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Hi Phil
Nice layouts. I'm seeing problems in two of the sites in Opera 7.4.
In the Teifi Scaffolding I see the word Navigation in caps
I don't know if this is plain english. The W3C has a check list for WCAG.
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/full-checklist.html
They also publish a set of quicktips. These are very plain english.
They can come on a card. They can be ordered for free from the W3C.
No, I was afraid of what could I find inside. Been hard enough to
convince my customer I was not going to take it as an example. Since
then I've learned not to ask prospective clients what kind of website
they would like to have...
Bennie Shepherd wrote:
Did ya sign up so you could enter? :o)
Marilyn asks:
Was CSS developed first for XSLT/XML and then applied to HTML? Or vice
versa?
SGML existed first and DSSSL was used to style, but for a nice history see:
http://www.webreference.com/authoring/style/sheets/cssseparate/chap1/1/index
.html
Mark W.
When checking the sites in opera, I noticed that the Lloyd Motors one
isn't
displaying properally in Opera. The background image for the body doesnt
display on the bottom as required. This is the CSS I have:
background:#F2F5F9 url(images/bodyBg.png) repeat-x bottom;
Any ideas how to fix
I gather my
having read receipts on has caused loads of messages to hit the list my
apologies. Thats a lesson learnt.
Rowena
Thanks, Mark. That helps me understand my own confusion. The term markup has a profusion of uses! So all of the 'mls (html, xhtml, xml, sgml) are considered markup languages, but the markup is of content, not presentation and CSS is the presentation style language (which designers of yore called
Was CSS developed first for XSLT/XML and then applied to HTML? Or vice
versa?
CSS was developed for HTML. Hakon Lie, co-autor of CSS, doesn't like
XSL-FO.
http://people.opera.com/howcome/1999/foch.html
SGML existed first and DSSSL was used to style
Wow, compared to DSSSL CSS is s easy and
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:40:08 -, Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Back to code vs markup:
For me code is reserved for languages that aspire to be turing-complete.
These at least should have data storage (variables) and flow control
instructions (if, loops or goto).
Everything
Managed to get other php pages working properly, but having (different)
issues on both Moz Safari for the following page:
http://www.funkdub.info/index.php - the background is staying punched up.
Cant see where the code or css is going wrong.
...would be interested to see if anyone could suggest
Title: RE: [WSG] Siter Review Please
OUCH!
Mr. Meyer has a If you can't say anything nice, don't say
anything at all rule on his list. Is that in effect here as
well??
Perhaps a recommendation to http://webdesign-L.com would have
been nicer...
At 4:42 PM +1100 12/2/04, Cook, Graham R
Not going to fix all issues (like the two columns being slightly too wide to
fit),
but just concentrating on the background:
- as all your elements are outside of the normal document flow, your container
only has normal content up until it hits #main. to redress this, add
#footer { clear: both;
Hi,
I would like to know if I can insert image into list ?
I have used this method by the past but in an article I read that it was
not standard?
w3 say nothing about that ?
And you what do you think?
Thanks in advance
Berry
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From: berry
I would like to know if I can insert image into list ?
I have used this method by the past but in an article I read
that it was
not standard?
w3 say nothing about that ?
The best way to find out if it's standard as per W3C is to run
it through the validator
Hi,
In the following why is it appropriate to classify the import rule as
CDATA?
style type=text/css media=screen
/* ![CDATA[ */
@import url(c/core.css);
/* ]] */
/style
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Chris Kennon wrote:
In the following why is it appropriate to classify the import rule as
CDATA?
style type=text/css media=screen
/* ![CDATA[ */
@import url(c/core.css);
/* ]] */
/style
You use CDATA to tell an XML aware parser to ignore something
(where ignore can either be interpreted by the
I have tried it, and it isn't standard. Try p-ing it instead.
berry wrote:
Hi,
I would like to know if I can insert image into list ?
I have used this method by the past but in an article I read that it was
not standard?
w3 say nothing about that ?
And you what do you think?
Thanks in advance
Hi,
The New Zealand Government has a checklist for its web guidelines
(which include accessibility). Not all of the checkpoints will be
relevant to non-government sites, but they may be a useful starting
point, and are in reasonably plain english.
The latest version is being reviewed at the
Indranil Dasgupta wrote:
I have tried it, and it isn't standard. Try p-ing it instead.
Sorry, but...how did you try it? How did you arrive at the conclusion
that it isn't standard? It's perfectly valid (even up to XHTML 1.1)!
ul
liimg src=... alt=a good alt text //li
/ul
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Rimantas Liubertas wrote:
And if XML is data,what is inside XML tags?
Anyway, this is waaay off-toppic.
A discription of the data.
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Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
It's perfectly valid (even up to XHTML 1.1)!
If you use of object instead of img, it's valid even in XHTML2.
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I'm about to leave, but can check it for you in about 6 hours or so. What's the address? I'm not sure any more.
Best regards,
Marilyn Langfeld
http://www.langfeldesigns.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
+1.301.598.3300 business phone
+1.301.598.0532 fax
+1.202.390.8847 mobile
On Dec 2, 2004, at 2:00 PM, Sam
Marilyn Langfeld wrote:
I'm about to leave, but can check it for you in about 6 hours or so.
What's the address? I'm not sure any more.
http://www.funkdub.info/
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On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:58:57 +, Patrick H. Lauke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris Kennon wrote:
In the following why is it appropriate to classify the import rule as
CDATA?
style type=text/css media=screen
/* ![CDATA[ */
@import url(c/core.css);
/* ]] */
/style
You use CDATA to
Hello -
As I playing with my blog the other day, I came accross this type of
thing. I'm curious which of these two examples is more correct. In
both cases, the intent is to replace a text header link with a
clickable background image. (stripped down a bit too)
HTML:
div id=headera
A div is a block element, a span is an inline element as is an anchor.
An anchor cannot contain a block element, so nesting a div inside an a
will cause a validation error.
In this case a ref=link.htmlspanlink/span/a is correct.
cheers Terrence Wood.
On 2004-12-03 9:11 AM, Jonathan T. Sage
Jonathan T. Sage wrote:
You use CDATA to tell an XML aware parser to ignore something
(where ignore can either be interpreted by the parser as don't process,
but leave it in or completely remove, depending on implementation).
this isn't strictly true really. CDATA in XML is actually slightly
more
Jonathan T. Sage wrote:
HTML:
div id=headera href=link.htmlspanLink Text/span/a/div
CSS:
#header { postion etc, background-image: }
a#header { same size as header }
#header span { visibility: hidden; }
that second line should be #header a { ... }
div id=headera href=link.htmldivLink Text/div/a/div
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:28:31 +, Patrick H. Lauke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jonathan T. Sage wrote:
HTML:
div id=headera href=link.htmlspanLink Text/span/a/div
CSS:
#header { postion etc, background-image: }
a#header { same size as header }
#header span { visibility: hidden; }
I presume that writing
#header a { same size as header }
is better
a#header { same size as header }
a#header probably will not work because a tag is after div #header tag.
it is the same for the span tag
#header a span { visibility: hidden; } than #header span { visibility:
hidden; }
From: "Jonathan T. Sage" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] What's "right" Date:
Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:11:08 -0500 Hello - As I playing with my blog the other day, I came accross this type of thing. I'm curious which of these two examples is more
Jonathan T. Sage wrote:
hmm. ok, of course you are right. My next question is, what writing
a declaration like a#id, what is happening?
it will only work of there is an A element with that particular id,
otherwise
it will be ignored.
Certinally don't wanna
throw out a it works so it must be
Sorry, but...idiot!
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hmm. ok, of course you are right. My next question is, what writing
a declaration like a#id, what is happening? Certinally don't wanna
throw out a it works so it must be right, since it is obviously not
correct - but the question begs to be answered, why does it work? is
that in some way
of course. my mistake completely. remember doing that now of course.
thanks again
~j
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:24:17 -, Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hmm. ok, of course you are right. My next question is, what writing
a declaration like a#id, what is happening? Certinally
Is there anyone out there that has had some success building a style sheet to
make their web site look good on a pocket pc or cell phone? I'd like to add
this feature to our site but I haven't had much luck.
Are there any successes or failures out there?
Thanks
Ted Drake
Web Content Editor
Return Receipt
Your [WSG] Site Checking
document
:
Rimantas Liubertas wrote:
price currency=EUR20/price
So price and /price constitute data.
20 - somehow describes the very same data that is: price ... and /price.
While, yes, 20 can be said to describe price, it is more accurate to
say that price and EUR describes 20.
Hey list,
A number of things to cover. Please read on.
New Zealand:
I am stunned by the RSVPs for the upcoming meeting in Wellington. By my
reckoning, over 50 people will attend next Thursday evening and it's their
first meeting. You Kiwis! Always a surprise up your sleeves. Mike
Yeah - we get the point guys - THREAD CLOSED
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:49:29 -0800, Francesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:10:35 +, Patrick H. Lauke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Sorry, but...idiot!
My sentiments exactly. What is up with people who write
pl
Well, I used it in my site, and it gave errors. Maybe I'm wrong!
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Indranil Dasgupta wrote:
I have tried it, and it isn't standard. Try p-ing it instead.
Sorry, but...how did you try it? How did you arrive at the conclusion
that it isn't standard? It's perfectly valid (even
J.LinasDesignGraphic Designerhttp://www.jlinasdesign.com/
Title: Re: [WSG] Code or Markup
In the document editing and proofing field (obviously related to the typesetting industry as its natural precursor in the workflow chain), markup is the word used to describe an editors or a proofreaders copy editing symbols. Corrections are made by hand using a
Hi You Lot,
You are generally a different audience to
the UK daytime users, and I always read your posts with interest with my first
morning coffee.
I'm about to goto bed, but would apppreciate
a site feedback / test for http://www.funkdub.info/...
I've got the homepage validating to W3C
Ted Drake wrote:
Is there anyone out there that has had some success building a style sheet to make their web site look good on a pocket pc or cell phone? I'd like to add this feature to our site but I haven't had much luck.
A recent article at ALA talked about it.
I have a line of text placed in a p//p that I would like to shrink. Can
I use small//small? if so, how?
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You also have to live in a magic world where they use the correct style
sheet, although mobile devices are better on this front than they were.
Ted Drake wrote:
Is there anyone out there that has had some success building a style sheet to make their web site look good on a pocket pc or cell
I believe small is valid in HTML 4 but cannot find reference in XHTML at all.
Which are you using?
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:37:22 -0800, The Man With His Guide Dog At The
Tent Store [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a line of text placed in a p//p that I would like to shrink. Can
I use
On 3 Dec 2004, at 1:37 PM, The Man With His Guide Dog At The Tent Store
wrote:
I have a line of text placed in a p//p that I would like to
shrink. Can
I use small//small? if so, how?
I'd advise wrapping the text you want to shrink in a span, giving
that span a class or id, and contolling the
My mistake. :-[ Sorry.
Indranil Dasgupta wrote:
Well, I used it in my site, and it gave errors. Maybe I'm wrong!
Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Indranil Dasgupta wrote:
I have tried it, and it isn't standard. Try p-ing it instead.
Sorry, but...how did you try it? How did you arrive at the conclusion
Hi guys,
According to my friend, her site is now displaying perfectly in Safari and I
can see it looking just fine in a bunch of PC browsers (thanks Georg! :) ). It
is, however, apparently still misbehaving in IE/Mac.
Can I please get some verification of this, first of all? I know that her
Seona,
Looks fine in IE 5.2.3 here. Your fix must have worked.
BTW, in both IE and Safari (so I presume in everything) there's a tiny
glitch in the curve where the grey and white meet, above and below the
home link.
All the best. -Hugh Todd
PS The links at the bottom of the main column look
Hi Alan,
I strongly suggest putting the binary stuff into a background image. Google
etc. will hate what you have there as will screen readers. Interesting
effect but not a good idea unless maybe you put it at the end of the code
order. Personally, I'd lose it and use an image as a css
Hey WSG,
Just need a little assistance here.
http://inspiro.neester.com/
Click on ABOUT.
In IE the content panel seems to overlap the whole nav panel too...
I know its to do with the image floating right.
But how can such a thing be fixed?
Cheers
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Sorry by the way i havnt finished styling the site yet.
So no need to comment on the contact page and the others :)
Cheers
Chris Stratford wrote:
Hey WSG,
Just need a little assistance here.
http://inspiro.neester.com/
Click on ABOUT.
In IE the content panel seems to overlap the whole nav panel
Hello
IOSHI have published an italian analysis of the WD ATAG 2.0
http://www.ioshi.org/pubblicazioni/analisi.WD-ATAG20-20040224.html
Automatical translation (by google)
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ioshi.org%2Fpubblic
Steve Winter wrote:
Is there any way to have a permanent left hand scroll bar in standards
compliant browsers...??
This is to be considered a hack, but: have a look at forcing scrollbars
experiment (inspired, and later used, by Jon Hicks)
http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/49/
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Paul Connolley wrote:
I believe small is valid in HTML 4 but cannot find reference in
XHTML at all.
The easiest way to check is to open the DTD that is referenced in your
doctype declaration and search for the word small.
Or just create a test page and run it through the validator...call me
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