[WSG] I had to laugh - was [ Some links for light reading (3/1/05)]
Hello all, - Original Message - From: russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beware of Opening Links in a New Window http://www.sitepoint.com/article/beware-opening-links-new-window When I looked at this link just now, I read the Neil Turner's piece about why I shouldn't open a new window etc, then, when I went to the section to 'rate this article', what happened? You guessed it - it opened a popup window! :-) Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Shedding Holiday Pounds
I was puzzled by the different link styling. I use FF 1, and when I hover over the ALA link, the underline that appears causes some odd shifting in the following links. -- Iain Gardiner http://www.firelightning.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wong Chin Shin Sent: 03 January 2005 04:36 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Shedding Holiday Pounds Tested on Firefox 1.0, Windows XP SP2. 1) Anti-war site heading is really close to the last line of the previous paragraph. Looks more like a signature. 2) Link to A List Apart looks different from others. Intentional? 3) Hover event color change in Edification and Validation is REALLY slight. Can't really tell. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Slow loading of CSS
Hi all, Its great that more and more people are fully laying out their sites using CSS, but I'm often seeing the problem where the HTML loads before the CSS, leaving a second or so where you can see the raw structure of the site before it gets the stylesheet applied. For example: http://www.comedyfestival.com.au/raw/2005/index.php (Not a site I have anything to do with BTW, just one I came across tonight) This is a fairly simple site, and the developer has done well to build it using CSS, but when I view it using Internet Explorer I'm seeing the raw HTML for about a second before the CSS gets loaded. This can be confusing to the end user, as it almost looks like you are being redirected through another page. On the machine I'm on right now I don't have any other browsers to try it on, but does this problem happen with other browsers? Is there a way to avoid it when the site is browsed using IE? thanks, bye! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Slow loading of CSS
Ryan Sabir wrote: Hi all, Its great that more and more people are fully laying out their sites using CSS, but I'm often seeing the problem where the HTML loads before the CSS, leaving a second or so where you can see the raw structure of the site before it gets the stylesheet applied. For example: Actually, IE loads the CSS along with the HTML and pauses content rendering untill the CSS is downloaded. What you saw is actually Flash of Unstyled Content, there's more info here: http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp HTH -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Slow loading of CSS
It's called a Flash of Unstyled Content (FOUC) See http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp (Found in Resources section of the Web Standards Group's site) Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Slow loading of CSS
Hi Ryan, This is a common problem, (Flash of Unstyled Content) with plenty of cures. Check this out: http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp Prabhath Sirisena www.vesess.com On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:34:17 +1100, Ryan Sabir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Its great that more and more people are fully laying out their sites using CSS, but I'm often seeing the problem where the HTML loads before the CSS, leaving a second or so where you can see the raw structure of the site before it gets the stylesheet applied. For example: http://www.comedyfestival.com.au/raw/2005/index.php (Not a site I have anything to do with BTW, just one I came across tonight) This is a fairly simple site, and the developer has done well to build it using CSS, but when I view it using Internet Explorer I'm seeing the raw HTML for about a second before the CSS gets loaded. This can be confusing to the end user, as it almost looks like you are being redirected through another page. On the machine I'm on right now I don't have any other browsers to try it on, but does this problem happen with other browsers? Is there a way to avoid it when the site is browsed using IE? thanks, bye! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Slow loading of CSS
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:34:17 +1100, Ryan Sabir wrote: I'm often seeing the problem where the HTML loads before the CSS, leaving a second or so where you can see the raw structure of the site before it gets the stylesheet applied. For example: Its called a FOUC - a flash of unstyled content. Does this problem happen with other browsers? From memory, it only happens in IE5.5 and Safari (ok, that probably means it happens in Konquerer too...) Is there a way to avoid it when the site is browsed using IE? Yep, a call to a javascript include, even with a blank link, will kill it. Its late here, so my memory may be faulty, but I beleive the idea is it gives the browser something to do (trying to work out the script) instead of displaying the HTML while the CSS loads. E, correction - thats what the site author has to do. I don't believe the visitor can fix it if they find a site demonstrating it. HIH Lea ~ thinking about bed... -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Centering thumbnails
Happy new year everyone,
I'm having a hard time centering images (horizontally and vertically).
In the right column there are 20 thumbnails with a maximum width or
height of 36 pixels. I want to center them horizontally and vertically.
The class thumbs img is like this:
.thumbs img { margin: 0 7px 7px 0; padding: 0; float: left }
I tried a lot with extra divs etc, but i obviously didn't figure it out.
In the second thumbnail row there are three thumbs instead of two.
page:
http://www.bonusontwerp.nl/dijdel/etalage/bedrijfsreportage.html
css:
http://www.bonusontwerp.nl/dijdel/styles/default.css
Met vriendelijke groet,
Best regards,
Jorg Tiemens
Bonus ontwerp
Frankenslag 357
2582 hp Den Haag
The Netherlands
Tel. +31 (0)70 33 8
Fax. +31 (0)70 30 62668
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Re: [WSG] Slow loading of CSS
On 3 jan 2005, at 14.02, Lea de Groot wrote: Its called a FOUC - a flash of unstyled content. Does this problem happen with other browsers? From memory, it only happens in IE5.5 and Safari (ok, that probably means it happens in Konquerer too...) Safari? I use it all the time, 10-15 hours a day, and I can't remember ever seeing a FOUC in Safari. Could it be that it only happens in the very first versions? I didn't use Safari full time until late 2003, when Mac OS X 10.3 and Safari 1.1 were released, so I may not have paid attention to any FOUC going on in releases before that. Or have I just been lucky? /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Slow loading of CSS
Hi, Interestingly I saw the FOUC for about a minute before the style appeared, and it was a good thing, because the site was fully usable, so I read it through before any styles were applied :) I have mostly encountered this with cssZenGarden (when the stylesheet is fetched from some far-far-away server), althought there it's not so usuful thing, because I already know the content :P Using Opera, Rene ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] FOUC in Safari was Slow loading of CSS
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:20:02 +0100, Roger Johansson wrote: Safari? I use it all the time, 10-15 hours a day, and I can't remember ever seeing a FOUC in Safari. Could it be that it only happens in the very first versions? I didn't use Safari full time until late 2003, when Mac OS X 10.3 and Safari 1.1 were released, so I may not have paid attention to any FOUC going on in releases before that. Hmmm, interesting - I'm running Panther, so I'm not running an early version - 1.2.4 (v125.12) Anyone else running Safari seeing this? (I had assumed it was a general problem, not just me!) Lea ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] FOUC in Safari was Slow loading of CSS
On 3 Jan 2005, at 13:43, Lea de Groot wrote: On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:20:02 +0100, Roger Johansson wrote: Safari? I use it all the time, 10-15 hours a day, and I can't remember ever seeing a FOUC in Safari.[snip] Hmmm, interesting - I'm running Panther, so I'm not running an early version - 1.2.4 (v125.12) Anyone else running Safari seeing this? I can also confirm that my PB G4 with 10.3.7 running Safari 1.2.4 (v125.12) doesn't encounter the FOUC at all. I have never seen one since my college days running IE 5.5 -- Paul Connolley - http://shunuk.co.uk/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Validation Error
Me Again: The W3c CSS validator is giving me strange results. All was well yesterday, but to today I'm instructed to validate the document, which returns valid XHTML, but the CSS validator reports an error: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://ckimedia.com/ index.php CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Validation Error[solved]
Ironically the problem was with a link to a web standards site. On Monday, January 3, 2005, at 08:21 AM, Chris Kennon wrote: Me Again: The W3c CSS validator is giving me strange results. All was well yesterday, but to today I'm instructed to validate the document, which returns valid XHTML, but the CSS validator reports an error: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://ckimedia.com/ index.php CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Validation Error
May want to give it another try.. I just did the validation through Firefox and it reported no errors. -- _ Charles Martin http://www.webcudgel.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Need help with the list style
I've got this navigation list that looks fine in ff and opera but it suffers from a mystery inheritance problem in IE I'm using: list-style:none !important; and yet it continues to show a bullet in the boxes. http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/linkview.do Does anyone have a suggestion? thanks Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Need help with the list style
I've got this navigation list that looks fine in ff and opera but it suffers from a mystery inheritance problem in IE I'm using: list-style:none !important; and yet it continues to show a bullet in the boxes. http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/csa/linkview.do Does anyone have a suggestion? thanks Ted Ted- Did you fix this? I don't see any bullets in your nav list. I'm using IE6 on Win2K. Ron Pringle application/ms-tnef
Re: [WSG] Centering thumbnails
Jorg,
-change img-line1 and img-line4 in: height=36 width 36
-css is ok
Beedog
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Subject: [WSG] Centering thumbnails
Happy new year everyone,
I'm having a hard time centering images (horizontally and vertically).
In the right column there are 20 thumbnails with a maximum width or
height of 36 pixels. I want to center them horizontally and vertically.
The class thumbs img is like this:
.thumbs img { margin: 0 7px 7px 0; padding: 0; float: left }
I tried a lot with extra divs etc, but i obviously didn't figure it out.
In the second thumbnail row there are three thumbs instead of two.
page:
http://www.bonusontwerp.nl/dijdel/etalage/bedrijfsreportage.html
css:
http://www.bonusontwerp.nl/dijdel/styles/default.css
Met vriendelijke groet,
Best regards,
Jorg Tiemens
Bonus ontwerp
Frankenslag 357
2582 hp Den Haag
The Netherlands
Tel. +31 (0)70 33 8
Fax. +31 (0)70 30 62668
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.bonusontwerp.com
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Re: [WSG] Validation Error
W3C CSS Validator Results for http://ckimedia.com/ No error or warning found Congratulations! Valid CSS! This document validates as CSS! ... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE 5
Hi, Try this instead http://www.skyzyx.com/downloads/?PHPSESSID=dcfd2d1aad122941eac9dca3b811e845 Kim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I hope this isn't OT, but I want to test my sites on various browsers and versions to ensure their compliancy, which I'm assuming is standards related. I currently have IE 6.0, NN 7.0, FF 1.0 and Mozilla 1.6 I downloaded IE version 5.0 from your Evolt's browser archive, and wanted to ensure that initiating the setup wouldn't cause problems with my current OS or browser configuration. I'm currently running Windows XP Home Edition, and I recieve the following message when I launch the setup application: The Windows Update: Internet Explorer and Internet Tools files on your computer are not the correct files for your operating system. Setup will download the correct files from the Internet. I know many of you are running IE 5, and wondered if you had encountered any problems running multiple versions? Any advice you can provide ragarding this matter would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully yours, Mario S. Cisneros, President WebNet Design Studios, LLC ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] FOUC in Safari was Slow loading of CSS
On Jan 3, 2005, at 8:43 AM, Lea de Groot wrote: On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:20:02 +0100, Roger Johansson wrote: Safari? I use it all the time, 10-15 hours a day, and I can't remember ever seeing a FOUC in Safari. Could it be that it only happens in the very first versions? I didn't use Safari full time until late 2003, when Mac OS X 10.3 and Safari 1.1 were released, so I may not have paid attention to any FOUC going on in releases before that. Hmmm, interesting - I'm running Panther, so I'm not running an early version - 1.2.4 (v125.12) Anyone else running Safari seeing this? (I had assumed it was a general problem, not just me!) Yes, I mentioned seeing it in my post a few days ago... http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/msg12581.html Regarding the documents at: http://itgtradingcards.bivia.com I tested that some more and found that I could not reproduce it at will, nor did the FOUC solutions for IE work. Clearing the cache before viewing the page always *prevented* the FOUC (I though it would do the opposite), but it seemed to happen more when developing (downloading fresh stuff) than when viewing (seeing cached stuff). It never happened on my live server (so the above link won't show it), and occasionally happened on my development server, even though a traffic analysis shows they deliver nearly identical headers (the versions of PHP and Apache are slightly off) and content for all documents. I use a link tag to call a css doc with @import commands in it; the styles that are not there during the FOUC are in the imported sheets. Possible causes I haven't fully tracked down: - maybe caused when the HTML is cached but the CSS is new (I have tested by touching the css doc to change the last-modified date, but it did not cause the FOUC) - the development server is on the same computer as Safari; therefore the HTML may be delivered incredibly fast, or the resources Safari was using to render the HTML slowed the delivery of the CSS, or something like that. - I haven't tested whether this is due to the @import stuff -- Ben Curtis WebSciences International http://www.websciences.org/ v: (310) 478-6648 f: (310) 235-2067 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE 5
I know many of you are running IE 5, and wondered if you had encountered any problems running multiple versions? Nope, because: http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/94.php ... -- Jan Brasna :: alphanumeric.cz | webcore.cz | designlab.cz | janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Still need help with the list style
Ted Drake wrote: Does anyone have an idea why the background bullets keep appearing on this navigation bar? Try applying the list-item-style property to the UL element. I had this problem before and it seems to prefer this option apply to the whole list and not just a single LI element. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Still need help with the list style
Charles Martin wrote: Try applying the list-item-style property to the UL element. I had this problem before and it seems to prefer this option apply to the whole list and not just a single LI element. Whoa... where did I get *that* property name from? However, I did notice that my references show the property to be called list-style-type and not just list-style as given in the example. Also, my prior comments still apply for this style on the UL element for IE. Charles Martin http://www.webcudgel.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Still need help with the list style
On 3 Jan 2005, at 21:53, Ted Drake wrote:
#rlcategories li {list-style:none !important; margin:0; padding:0;
display:block;}
Try using list-style-type : none as opposed to the shorthand property
which expects three values.
!important may, and should, not be necessary if you have used logical
and sensible application of CSS.
With regards to your XHTML:
There are two problems which can be solved in seconds. The img element
needs to be self closed. The javascript needs to be commented out in
some way or loaded externally. I recommend loading it externally.
With regards to Charles Martin's comment:
Try applying the list-item-style property to the UL element. I had
this problem before and it seems to prefer this option apply to the
whole list and not just a single LI element.
Note that the CSS specification indicates that list-style-type
Applies to: elements with 'display: list-item'
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#lists
and
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/generate.html#lists
I don't know how this will affect you but it is worth remembering that
unordered list element is the block level element and that the list
item element is the list element. Whilst inheritance seems to fix your
problem, adherence to the specifications would or should be advised.
Notwithstanding any bugs in the browsers, that is.
--
Paul Connolley
SQL/Systems Programmer
Egocentric - http://egocentric.co.uk
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Re: [WSG] Still need help with the list style
On 3 Jan 2005, at 22:38, Paul Connolley wrote: Notwithstanding any bugs in the browsers, that is. Which is the problem anyway. Specifying a list item element to have display : block means that no glyph should be rendered and that it should be just a box. Being overly explicit is for the benefit of IE and, possibly, Opera. -- Paul Connolley - http://shunuk.co.uk/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Shedding Holiday Pounds
The site is major better. Looks good, Loads fast, gives choice for movie, tells size... nice. I use windows, Firefox with an 800x600 resolution and there is a scroll bar across the bottom which I can almost get rid of using the very small text. Positives happening :-) I am liking the group, very helpful and educational, a big thanks to all! And Happy New Year Bruce bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] IE 5
In regards to the links ppl have given you to the 'Multiple Internet Explorer versions' downloads, you should be aware of the potential issues. There is no evidence either way that says this method is a true representation of older versions of IE and all inherent issues with Javascript, CSS, DOM, etc. Sure it's a great way to quickly check cross-browser compatibility across a few different version of IE, but never forget that the most comprehensive method of testing is to have a proper suite of OS's and browsers available to you, either via multiple PC's or one PC with Virtual OS's. If you have the time and the money then your final product should be put through a proper test suite before going to production, don't rely on 'hacks'. Mt. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 4 January 2005 9:11 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] IE 5 Hi All, I hope this isn't OT, but I want to test my sites on various browsers and versions to ensure their compliancy, which I'm assuming is standards related. I currently have IE 6.0, NN 7.0, FF 1.0 and Mozilla 1.6 I downloaded IE version 5.0 from your Evolt's browser archive, and wanted to ensure that initiating the setup wouldn't cause problems with my current OS or browser configuration. I'm currently running Windows XP Home Edition, and I recieve the following message when I launch the setup application: The Windows Update: Internet Explorer and Internet Tools files on your computer are not the correct files for your operating system. Setup will download the correct files from the Internet. I know many of you are running IE 5, and wondered if you had encountered any problems running multiple versions? Any advice you can provide ragarding this matter would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully yours, Mario S. Cisneros, President WebNet Design Studios, LLC ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Shedding Holiday Pounds
If you can, you should try switching to a bigger resolution. It's much better, and you'll wonder how you ever survived using 800x600. On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:49:45 -0500, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The site is major better. Looks good, Loads fast, gives choice for movie, tells size... nice. I use windows, Firefox with an 800x600 resolution and there is a scroll bar across the bottom which I can almost get rid of using the very small text. Positives happening :-) I am liking the group, very helpful and educational, a big thanks to all! And Happy New Year Bruce bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Shedding Holiday Pounds
I know, but it is amazing how many people browse at that still, and I kinda like it... maybe I will lol Bruce The Bo$$ wrote: If you can, you should try switching to a bigger resolution. It's much better, and you'll wonder how you ever survived using 800x600. On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:49:45 -0500, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The site is major better. Looks good, Loads fast, gives choice for movie, tells size... nice. I use windows, Firefox with an 800x600 resolution and there is a scroll bar across the bottom which I can almost get rid of using the very small text. Positives happening :-) I am liking the group, very helpful and educational, a big thanks to all! And Happy New Year Bruce bkdesign.ca ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] What did I miss still site review plz
http://www.wooster.edu/ohiolightopera/NEW/ Looking to release by the end of the week. Please tear it apart, particularly in the department of accesibility, as my target audience is composed larely of older people, some with sight problems related to aging etc. Thanks much for any feedback you can give! ~jon -- Jonathan T. Sage Theatrical Lighting / Set Designer Professional Web Design [HTTP://www.JTSage.com] [HTTP://design.JTSage.com] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] What did I miss still site review plz
Looking to release by the end of the week. Please tear it apart, particularly in the department of accesibility, as my target audience is composed larely of older people, some with sight problems related to aging etc. Have you checked the differences between your page background colours and text colours? The colour contrast may be a little low. You can check it with Gez Lemon's tool here: http://www.juicystudio.com/services/colourcontrast.asp Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG Announce] ADMIN: Changes to WSG login system
This is a one-way list for WSG Announcements Hi everyone. You will probably get this message twice as I am cross posting to two lists to make sure you all see it (in case some spam filtering loses the post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and if you don't get the post with [WSG Announce] in the subject please adjust your settings to receive it). I have made significant changes to the WSG login system. In making these changes I tried very hard to keep all subscriptions the same as they were (including people that asked me to suspend them while on vacation) but there is a chance that something may have gone wrong so please be kind and either fix up your subscription by logging in and selecting Edit your login details or let me know if there is something wrong that you can't fix. If you encounter any errors on the site please let me know telling me what you did to get the error and please also send the error message text. There are now three WSG lists. [WSG Announce] A new one-way list that everyone is subscribed to. [WSG] The main discussion list. [WSG CMS] The content management list. The [WSG Announce] is compulsory and is based on your login email. We will use this for announcements of various kinds including Russ's Links for light reading as suggested by many people in the recent survey. Only we can post to it so the traffic will be very light. The reason for it is so that we could give you the option not to receive the main list and still have contact with you. This was requested by many members. The [WSG] main list (also available in a digest version) is now optional and you can change the address that this is sent to (to differ from your login email). The [WSG CMS] list (also available in a digest version) is also now an option when you log into the WSG site and select Edit your login details. You still can't change your Login Email (which is also used for the [WSG Announce] list) but you can change the address that the other two lists are sent to and you can select full, digest or no mail from the other two lists whenever you like. This means that you can suspend yourself from the list when going on vacation etc. If you requested to be suspended manually by us over the new year period, when you return you can log in and resurrect your account yourself. A few things to note. All previous instructions about changing to digest mode or subscribing to the CMS list are now superseded. The list server no longer takes commands to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only way to change modes, subscribe or unsubscribe is via editing your login details. Please take a moment to log in and look at your details. While doing this, please make sure your City is relevant to your general area. EG: If you live in a suburb close to Washington DC then put Washington DC as your city as we use this info to see where we have enough people to start a meeting group. We don't know the geography of most places so we may not know that Cambridge MA is a short distance from Boston MA etc. Please be general about it. When you update your details, the confirming email now tells you which lists you are subscribed to (and the address they are subscribed under). REMEMBER: If you change the address the lists are sent to you must post to the list from that address or it will be rejected. I will be looking at all the bouncing accounts from the list and setting them to no mail over the next few days. I'll also be looking closely at the bounces I get from this post and deleting anyone with fatal errors. If you want to change your login email address, then you still need to log in, unsubscribe and re-subscribe with the new address. At this point there is no confirmation process for the new list address field but I will be implementing one in the near future. This will mean that when you change the List address you will be temporarily unsubscribed from the lists until you respond to a confirmation email (follow a link in the email), the same as when you join. This is A) for making sure bounces are minimised because of typos and B) making sure that it is your address. We are now looking at redesigning the WSG site. This will change the look, make the structure more semantically correct, change the way the resources section is presented and add a new Jobs section for advertising (standards related) positions vacant. Please do not respond to the WSG list. Please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to discuss anything in this email. Regards, Peter Firminger The announce list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/
[WSG] ADMIN: Changes to WSG login system
Hi everyone. You will probably get this message twice as I am cross posting to two lists to make sure you all see it (in case some spam filtering loses the post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and if you don't get the post with [WSG Announce] in the subject please adjust your settings to receive it). I have made significant changes to the WSG login system. In making these changes I tried very hard to keep all subscriptions the same as they were (including people that asked me to suspend them while on vacation) but there is a chance that something may have gone wrong so please be kind and either fix up your subscription by logging in and selecting Edit your login details or let me know if there is something wrong that you can't fix. If you encounter any errors on the site please let me know telling me what you did to get the error and please also send the error message text. There are now three WSG lists. [WSG Announce] A new one-way list that everyone is subscribed to. [WSG] The main discussion list. [WSG CMS] The content management list. The [WSG Announce] is compulsory and is based on your login email. We will use this for announcements of various kinds including Russ's Links for light reading as suggested by many people in the recent survey. Only we can post to it so the traffic will be very light. The reason for it is so that we could give you the option not to receive the main list and still have contact with you. This was requested by many members. The [WSG] main list (also available in a digest version) is now optional and you can change the address that this is sent to (to differ from your login email). The [WSG CMS] list (also available in a digest version) is also now an option when you log into the WSG site and select Edit your login details. You still can't change your Login Email (which is also used for the [WSG Announce] list) but you can change the address that the other two lists are sent to and you can select full, digest or no mail from the other two lists whenever you like. This means that you can suspend yourself from the list when going on vacation etc. If you requested to be suspended manually by us over the new year period, when you return you can log in and resurrect your account yourself. A few things to note. All previous instructions about changing to digest mode or subscribing to the CMS list are now superseded. The list server no longer takes commands to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only way to change modes, subscribe or unsubscribe is via editing your login details. Please take a moment to log in and look at your details. While doing this, please make sure your City is relevant to your general area. EG: If you live in a suburb close to Washington DC then put Washington DC as your city as we use this info to see where we have enough people to start a meeting group. We don't know the geography of most places so we may not know that Cambridge MA is a short distance from Boston MA etc. Please be general about it. When you update your details, the confirming email now tells you which lists you are subscribed to (and the address they are subscribed under). REMEMBER: If you change the address the lists are sent to you must post to the list from that address or it will be rejected. I will be looking at all the bouncing accounts from the list and setting them to no mail over the next few days. I'll also be looking closely at the bounces I get from this post and deleting anyone with fatal errors. If you want to change your login email address, then you still need to log in, unsubscribe and re-subscribe with the new address. At this point there is no confirmation process for the new list address field but I will be implementing one in the near future. This will mean that when you change the List address you will be temporarily unsubscribed from the lists until you respond to a confirmation email (follow a link in the email), the same as when you join. This is A) for making sure bounces are minimised because of typos and B) making sure that it is your address. We are now looking at redesigning the WSG site. This will change the look, make the structure more semantically correct, change the way the resources section is presented and add a new Jobs section for advertising (standards related) positions vacant. Please do not respond to the WSG list. Please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to discuss anything in this email. Regards, Peter Firminger ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] IE 5
Thank you all for your prompt responses and information! I will check out the previously submitted links, and weigh it against the input cited below. Very respectfully yours, Mario S. Cisneros In regards to the links ppl have given you to the 'Multiple Internet Explorer versions' downloads, you should be aware of the potential issues. There is no evidence either way that says this method is a true representation of older versions of IE and all inherent issues with Javascript, CSS, DOM, etc. Sure it's a great way to quickly check cross-browser compatibility across a few different version of IE, but never forget that the most comprehensive method of testing is to have a proper suite of OS's and browsers available to you, either via multiple PC's or one PC with Virtual OS's. If you have the time and the money then your final product should be put through a proper test suite before going to production, don't rely on 'hacks'. Mt. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 4 January 2005 9:11 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] IE 5 Hi All, I hope this isn't OT, but I want to test my sites on various browsers and versions to ensure their compliancy, which I'm assuming is standards related. I currently have IE 6.0, NN 7.0, FF 1.0 and Mozilla 1.6 I downloaded IE version 5.0 from your Evolt's browser archive, and wanted to ensure that initiating the setup wouldn't cause problems with my current OS or browser configuration. I'm currently running Windows XP Home Edition, and I recieve the following message when I launch the setup application: The Windows Update: Internet Explorer and Internet Tools files on your computer are not the correct files for your operating system. Setup will download the correct files from the Internet. I know many of you are running IE 5, and wondered if you had encountered any problems running multiple versions? Any advice you can provide ragarding this matter would be greatly appreciated. Respectfully yours, Mario S. Cisneros, President WebNet Design Studios, LLC ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] What did I miss still site review plz
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 14:16:47 +1100, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking to release by the end of the week. Please tear it apart, particularly in the department of accesibility, as my target audience is composed larely of older people, some with sight problems related to aging etc. Have you checked the differences between your page background colours and text colours? The colour contrast may be a little low. You can check it with Gez Lemon's tool here: http://www.juicystudio.com/services/colourcontrast.asp Russ Russ - dead on, it was a little low. Great tool, that's a nice quick way to keep putting in options to get what I want with a quick preview. Thanks! ~j -- Jonathan T. Sage Theatrical Lighting / Set Designer Professional Web Design [HTTP://www.JTSage.com] [HTTP://design.JTSage.com] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site check please!! Oh, you MAC people ... are you getting sick of me yet? ;~)
Hi All, I have another request for a site check and, once again, Mac users are especially needed. Please see: http://www.manisheriar.com/globalrocket/indexNEW.htm THANK YOU! (And, yes, I realize it's a bit cheesy ... but you should have seen the logo I was given to work with and stay as close to as possible) Mani Sheriar Sheriar Designs | www.ManiSheriar.com 925|914.0741 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Intro and first question
First, thanks for the community support of standards. Too many developers I know have not seen the light, so to say, of standards. I look forward to what I can both learn and share with you guys ( generic, includes females :D ). Now, for my question: I haven't spent a lot of time worrying about the disabled or impaired users of my projects because of the youth-focussed intent of them. Recently I have started a few projects which will draw impaired users. In looking over the W3C's documentation and such I got the hang of it and have been using the Bobby Validator for Section 508 validation ( http://bobby.watchfire.com/bobby/html/en/index.jsp ). I want to make sure that I am doing things correctly though. Could any of you offer your feelings toward Bobby and let me know if there are (opinion) better ones out there? Thanks a bunch! doit4Jesus, Chris Moncus chrismoncus.com AIM: HPPChrisMoncus ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
