[WSG] active and current id's in lists

2005-02-16 Thread Jackie Reid
HI all I need someone to point me in the right direction so that i can find out more about the active and current bits in a ul used for navigation like this - ul id=topnav *li id=active*a href=# *id=current* link/a/li lia href=#link/a/li lia href=#link/a/li /ul this is one of the lists off

Re: [WSG] active and current id's in lists

2005-02-16 Thread Johannes Reiss
I need someone to point me in the right direction so that i can find out more about the active and current bits in a ul used for navigation like this - ul id=topnav *li id=active*a href=# *id=current* link/a/li lia href=#link/a/li lia href=#link/a/li /ul this is one of the lists off

Re: [WSG] IE7 may ship ahead of Longhorn

2005-02-16 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:57:17 +1100, Chris Blown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know why MS just don't do what Apple did with Safari and leverage an open source rendering engine like Gecko or KHtml. That doesn't fit world domination plan. MS must OWN everything. Oh, that's right they'd break all

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

2005-02-16 Thread The Snider's Web
Hi Kornel, What is interesting is that once I signed up I found this information under 'generate your code', where they have two options for the code (standards compliant and xhtml). I had no clue looking at the web site that they even had this (maybe it was there but I was in a rush)...Here is

RE: [WSG] valid tracker code

2005-02-16 Thread Joey
Hi, I use this statcounter on my homepage, and it validates for me, itÂ’s the ONLY stats service that offers valid XHTML and complient counter/tracker. If you guys want to have a look at the kinda stats it generates, I have opened up my account for you guys, go here:

RE: [WSG] valid tracker code

2005-02-16 Thread Tim Isenheim
Hi, I am currently using Sebastian Bergmann's phpOpenTracker: http://www.phpopentracker.de/en/index.php It's a complete framework for website analysis with a powerful (free to configure) interface, using mySQL and PHP. Unfortunately, this tracker also can mess up your html by using

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

2005-02-16 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:08:15 -0400, The Snider's Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: script type=text/javascript src=http://www.statcounter.com/counter/counter_xhtml.js;/scriptnoscriptdiv class=statcountera class=statcounter href=http://www.statcounter.com/;img class=statcounter

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

2005-02-16 Thread Chris Stratford
You could also use some HTACCESS to mod up a similar solution as your PHP one. by prepending a php file to all files (whether they be PHP files, image files or whatnot) :D Tim Isenheim wrote: Hi, I am currently using Sebastian Bergmann's phpOpenTracker:

[WSG] Quirks DTD

2005-02-16 Thread Alan Trick
To solve the issue of standarts-compliant browsers rendering non-standards-compliant web pages. Could the W3C create a 'Quirks DTD' for webpages that do not specify there own DTD? -Alan Trick ** The discussion list for

RE: [WSG] Quirks DTD

2005-02-16 Thread Patrick Lauke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To solve the issue of standarts-compliant browsers rendering non-standards-compliant web pages. Could the W3C create a 'Quirks DTD' for webpages that do not specify there own DTD? Well, that's basically what is happening...just that browsers have different

[WSG] off-color language on the list

2005-02-16 Thread Ted Drake
Hi All I don't want to sound like the prudish aunt that smacks your knuckles when you say four letter words, but I thought I'd pass on just a wee warning and suggestion. These posts are often picked up by search engines and archived. It is very possible that one of your bosses or clients could

Re: [WSG] active and current id's in lists

2005-02-16 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:59:59 -0800, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The active id is giving you the opportunity to make that list item stand out from the others. The current id is giving you the opportunity to make the link stand out from the others. Why second ID instead of simply using

RE: [WSG] active and current id's in lists

2005-02-16 Thread Ted Drake
personally, I wouldn't add the second id. However, you may be working with a nested set of links. The current id says, show the nested list, the active says, this is the active link We are using something similar for the topnav on this web site: www.csatravelprotection.com Instead of

Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD

2005-02-16 Thread Alan Trick
To solve the issue of standarts-compliant browsers rendering non-standards-compliant web pages. Could the W3C create a 'Quirks DTD' for webpages that do not specify there own DTD? -Alan Trick Well, that's basically what is happening...just that browsers have different interpretation of

Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD

2005-02-16 Thread Kornel Lesinski
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:38:32 -0500, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be nice, however if we had some standard about this that the browsers could at least be encouraged to implement. It might help with the goal of making older sites viewable in any browser. If a free DTD or

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

2005-02-16 Thread The Snider's Web
Hi Kornel, That makes sense :) I am off to read more... Cheers Lisa At 02:53 PM 2/16/2005 +, you wrote: On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:08:15 -0400, The Snider's Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: script type=text/javascript src=http://www.statcounter.com/counter/counter_xhtml.js;/scriptnoscriptdiv

[WSG] is this mozzila only css?

2005-02-16 Thread Alan Trick
Is this valid css or is it a mozzila/firefox only thing. (I know it doesn't work in IE) foo[bar=baz]{stylingstuff} for the element foo bar='baz'/foo If not is there a way to do this without using XSL? -Alan Trick

Re: [WSG] is this mozzila only css?

2005-02-16 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Alan Trick wrote: Is this valid css or is it a mozzila/firefox only thing. (I know it doesn't work in IE) foo[bar=baz]{stylingstuff} for the element foo bar='baz'/foo It's part of the official CSS2.1 spec http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/selector.html#attribute-selectors Of course IE doesn't

[WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Chris W. Parker
Hello, Is there a reason I should be using quot; (or any other HTML entity) within regular tags like p, hx, li, etc.? I know I have to use them when they are to be displayed within a form field but within regular copy I'm not seeing it as necessary. What is the consesus on this? Thanks,

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Alan Trick
I don't know about quot; but if you use instead of amp; it will break your xml pages (i.e. a href='some.com/page.php?a=bc=d' *must* be a href='some.com/page.php?a=bamp;c=d' in xml) -Alan Trick Chris W. Parker wrote: Hello, Is there a reason I should be using quot; (or any other HTML entity)

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread David R
Chris W. Parker wrote: Hello, Is there a reason I should be using quot; (or any other HTML entity) within regular tags like p, hx, li, etc.? I know I have to use them when they are to be displayed within a form field but within regular copy I'm not seeing it as necessary. What is the consesus on

[WSG] quot; or - when is it strictly enforced?

2005-02-16 Thread Ted Drake
Is this an xhtml strict requirement? I have been using plain quotes thinking the quot; code was for the nice curly quote effect. Should I begin transforming my sites? It's not an easy search and replace. Ted David R wrote: But officially when isn't being used to delimit attribute

Re: [WSG] valid tracker code

2005-02-16 Thread kemie guaida
Patrick Lauke has a validating version of the extreme tracker counter on his page: http://www.splintered.co.uk/experiments/67/ cheers kemie -- ...:| kemie |:... .:| www.monolinea.com |:.

RE: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Chris W. Parker
David R mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 11:58 AM said: you /might/ get away with using it insice body text: phello, he said hello to me yesterday/p Yes that's what I'm referring to. But officially when isn't being used to delimit attribute values it must be

[WSG] Around We Go

2005-02-16 Thread Chris Kennon
This example of rounded corners (http://kalsey.com/2003/07/rounded_corners_in_css/), is elegant and efficient, but 2 years old. I've googled til blurry eyed, but have only found contemporary examples with 8 nested divs and other nightmares. Would someone guide me to a standards based solution

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread David R
But officially when isn't being used to delimit attribute values it must be written in entity form: quot; Reference? My bad... XHTML1.1 derives from XHTML1.0 Strict which derives from HTML4.01 Strict ...Which mentions this about quote entities: ---

[WSG] css markup for a list with a list

2005-02-16 Thread Bruce Gilbert
I have an unorganized sublist ul with a organized list ol and it's not picking up my CSS. Sorry I don't have a link to the page I can display, but was hoping someone could assist based upon my code. (x) html: div class=content ol lifirst list item/li li2nd list item/li li3rd list item: ul

Re: [WSG] off-color language on the list

2005-02-16 Thread russ - maxdesign
Regardless of what we say in real life or in private emails, swearing on this list is completely unacceptable, as has been mentioned many times - as well as being clearly stated in our guidelines. http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm quote The list administrators reserve the right to

[WSG] Other character sets/languages

2005-02-16 Thread John Horner
This is kind of embarrassing to admit, but for the very first time, I've undertaken to code a page (partially) in another language, and in another character set too, and I don't really know how to do it properly. And it's not just a matter of a few accents here and there -- the language is

RE: [WSG] Around We Go

2005-02-16 Thread Ian Fenn
Hi Chris, Would someone guide me to a standards based solution without all the gif wrapping? I don't know if it fits the bill but the simplest solution I came up with was a mixture of a header and two divs: div class=background h1 class=topTitle/h1 pBox contents/p div class=tail/div /div You

Re: [WSG] IE7 Confirmed

2005-02-16 Thread David R
Also note that it will only be made available for XP. Everyone else will have to stay on IE6 or earlier. Carl. Windows XP now accounts for 60% of all Internet users now? I'll probably just put a notice up, telling people to download Firefox or Opera if they're on Pre-Windows XP or IE7.0 if

[WSG] Standard this

2005-02-16 Thread Andy Pieters
Hi I was just thinking Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? Obviously different browsers will all have their own quircks and giving the designer better control on what style gets displayed on what browser will leave designers with less excuses of building mono browser websites

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Dmitry Baranovskiy
Actually is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and #148; in normal text. -- Best regards, Dmitry Baranovskiy ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some

[WSG] Broken Dropdown

2005-02-16 Thread Paul Farrell
Hi Peoples, I'm having trouble with a dropdown menu. (Although working in WIN IE6). The code is here: http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/index.php http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/style.css http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/nav.css The dropdown appears to work fine until I add

Re: [WSG] css markup for a list with a list

2005-02-16 Thread Paul Novitski
Bruce, Your selector [.content ol li ul li] refers to a list item within the unordered list, not the list itself. What you want is probably: .content ol li ul { margin: 0 0 0 25px; list-style-type: none; font-size: 100%; color: #f00; } Why you're having a problem

Re: [WSG] active and current id's in lists

2005-02-16 Thread Jackie Reid
thanks chaps! ... now i get it! Will put into practice immediately. What a great list.. go home depressed... come in in the morning and everything is fine! jackie Ted Drake wrote: personally, I wouldn't add the second id. However, you may be working with a nested set of links. The current id

RE: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Chris W. Parker
Dmitry Baranovskiy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:16 PM said: Actually is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and #148; in normal text. Interesting point. Chris. ** The discussion list for

RE: [WSG] Broken Dropdown

2005-02-16 Thread Paul Farrell
Sorry.. that was meant to be 'overflow: auto;' (Typo/Brainspasm in last email). Hi Peoples, I'm having trouble with a dropdown menu. (Although working in WIN IE6). The code is here: http://www.mpstrata.com.au/newsite/index.php

Re: [WSG] Standard this

2005-02-16 Thread Mordechai Peller
Andy Pieters wrote: Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? While it sounds good from a practice perspective, it goes against the whole idea of CSS: A standardized, device independent language for describing the presentational aspects of a document.

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Rene Saarsoo
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:16:09 +1100, Dmitry Baranovskiy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and #148; in normal text. And when you have already this far, I would say, *free your mind from eight bit* and use unicode :) (Takes less space and is

Re: [WSG] Standard this

2005-02-16 Thread Ben Curtis
Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? While it sounds good from a practice perspective, it goes against the whole idea of CSS: A standardized, device independent language for describing the presentational aspects of a document. How is this different than a media selector, media

Re: [WSG] Standard this

2005-02-16 Thread Rene Saarsoo
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:13:46 +0100, Andy Pieters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? And then some browsers will start to offer option: Change browser-build information ...and it would fail as any other browser-detection mechanism has failed. Except the

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Paul Novitski
At 02:16 PM 2/16/2005, Dmitry Baranovskiy wrote: Actually is an inch symbol. For quotes we should use #147; and #148; in normal text. I thought #147; and #147; were deprecated in HTML4. I use: #8216; = left single quote #8217; = right single quote (apostrophe) #8220; = left double quote #8221;

[WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys

2005-02-16 Thread Kim Kruse
Hi, I've built myself this site http://republicana.dk (almost done) and I'm a little confused about accesskeys and tab index. What I've so far is this... Accesskeys: * Skip to content (alt s) * Index.php (alt 1) * Sitemap (alt 3) * Search (alt 4) * Conditions (alt 5) * A tab

[WSG] CSS3.0

2005-02-16 Thread David R
Just out of curiosity... Is the CSS3.0 Spec finalised, or are they still accepting suggestions and comments? Because I really want to suggest multiple background images for CSS3.0 (provided it isn't suggested already) Where do I find the Suggestion Box for the W3C? ;) Regards -- -David R

Re: [WSG] Standard this

2005-02-16 Thread Paul Novitski
At 02:13 PM 2/16/2005, Andy Pieters wrote: Why not include a 'browser-build' selector in css? Andy, Folks in both listserves you posted this to have explained pretty well why it's a bad idea. Ironically, I imagine some of these same folks use browser-specific hacks in their CSS. Well, heck,

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

2005-02-16 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On 17 Feb 2005, at 8:31 am, David R wrote: ust out of curiosity... Is the CSS3.0 Spec finalised, or are they still accepting suggestions and comments? Start your visit here http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work#table Nothing is finalised yet [1]. Because I really want to suggest multiple

RE: [WSG] Broken Dropdown

2005-02-16 Thread Paul Farrell
Am abandoning the overflow: auto on the content area. If anybody works out why it may not have worked, id be interested in hearing the reason off list. Thankyou Paul Sorry.. that was meant to be 'overflow: auto;' (Typo/Brainspasm in last email). Hi Peoples,

Re: [WSG] Quirks DTD

2005-02-16 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Alan Trick wrote: If a free DTD or CSS (or whatever would be required) was released, then mabye browsers (besides IE) would conform to the non-standard standard. Unless I'm misreading you, I think it's worth clarifying one thing: a DTD alone does absolutely nothing. Browsers have some hardcoded

Re: [WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys

2005-02-16 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Kim Kruse wrote: Should accesskeys not only be used for important links... like accesskeys page, sitemap etc? I'd say yes to that one. Otherwise you end up with a jungle of accesskeys, which are then hard to memorise and will most likely conflict (if you move beyond numbers into letters) with

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

2005-02-16 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
to add, there is a new draft out http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-css3-background-20050216 Philippe ---/--- Philippe Wittenbergh now live : http://emps.l-c-n.com/ code | design | web projects : http://www.l-c-n.com/ IE5 Mac bugs and oddities : http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

2005-02-16 Thread Michael Cordover
CSS 3 Backgrounds and Borders module is in Working Draft stage. http://w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work#contribute details the mailing list which will allow you to make suggestions. HTH, Michael On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:31:20 +, David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just out of curiosity... Is

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread David R
I thought #147; and #147; were deprecated in HTML4. I use: #8216; = left single quote #8217; = right single quote (apostrophe) #8220; = left double quote #8221; = right double quote etc. See http://www.ascii.cl/htmlcodes.htm Doesn't this go against the semantics of XHTML? Use of entities in

Re: [WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys

2005-02-16 Thread Bruce Morrison
On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 10:45, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Kim Kruse wrote: Should accesskeys not only be used for important links... like accesskeys page, sitemap etc? I'd say yes to that one. Otherwise you end up with a jungle of accesskeys, which are then hard to memorise and will most

Re: [WSG] A little help with tab index and accesskeys

2005-02-16 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, These articles help sort out some of the confusion. (http://www.mezzoblue.com/archives/2003/12/29/i_do_not_use/ index.php?cssfile=/css/proton-sm.css) (http://www.wats.ca/articles/accesskeyconflicts/37) C On Wednesday, February 16, 2005, at 04:45 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Kim Kruse wrote:

Re: [WSG] CSS3.0

2005-02-16 Thread Andrew Krespanis
Too late, it's already in there: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-css3-background-20050216/#the-background-image Most of the modules are at working draft stage, see the lot here: http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work Andrew. http://leftjustified.net/ On Wed, 16

Re: [WSG] Other character sets/languages

2005-02-16 Thread Dejan Kozina
Hi John, Unicode is today the most foolproof way of sending internationalized characters to modern browsers. I use Unired for the purpose: http://www.esperanto.mv.ru/UniRed/ENG/ It's free and it works fine to boot. You should be able to copy/paste into your HTML from Word, PDF and anything that

[WSG] Summaries in blockquotes and the cite attribute

2005-02-16 Thread Terrence Wood
I'm designing some pages that contain summaries that precede the content. I want to mark these up with blockquote and fill the cite attribute with the URI of the same page. Is this a fair use of blockquote, or am I abusing the markup as a summary is not exactly a quote? And what about having a

Re: [WSG] Summaries in blockquotes and the cite attribute

2005-02-16 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day I'm designing some pages that contain summaries that precede the content. I want to mark these up with blockquote and fill the cite attribute with the URI of the same page. Is this a fair use of blockquote, or am I abusing the markup as a summary is not exactly a quote? And what about

Re: [WSG] quot; or in copy?

2005-02-16 Thread Roger Johansson
On 17 feb 2005, at 03.14, David R wrote: I mean, provided you send the document from the server as unicode, why must we resort to entities for non-reserved characters? You don't. If you use unicode, you don't have to use character references. /Roger

Re: [WSG] Around We Go

2005-02-16 Thread Roger Johansson
On 16 feb 2005, at 21.33, Chris Kennon wrote: This example of rounded corners (http://kalsey.com/2003/07/rounded_corners_in_css/), is elegant and efficient, but 2 years old. I've googled til blurry eyed, but have only found contemporary examples with 8 nested divs and other nightmares.