[WSG] MSN goes valid
Today I installed a new version of HTML validator Firefox extension (http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/) and went to search.msn.com. I got green checkmark both on the start page and on results page -- checking with validator.w3.org confirms - MSN search are now valid pages. microsoft.com itself is three errors from being valid. Gives some hope :) Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] MSN goes valid
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[WSG] Quoting Code Snippets - whitespace and wordwrap
In response to the earlier conversation: Is it possible to put a css attributes on an elemtent that will respect spaces, but still wordwrap? I tried copying the textarea css in forms.css onto a test div and viewing it in firefox to se if that would do it, but firefox controls it's textarea look some other way. Alan Trick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Float help
Hi all, This is my virgin post to this group after reading many months worth of posts so hopefully somebody will give me the tweak I need here. #container #pageHeader #headerLeft (where logo is bg-image) #nav #headerRight #pageContent #pageFooter http://techvisioneer.com/clients/wshein/demo/admin/test/NewDesign.htm I have a fairly simple header/content/footer layout except the height of the logo in the header is greater than the desired height of the header itself. My goal is to have the logo fixed in the upper left and the code in the #pageContent area to wrap around it. I set the height of #pageHeader as I'd like and floated #headerLeft to the left inside #pageHeader. This works perfect in FireFox but IE isn't recognizing the height of #pageHeader and it's bumping the content area underneath the logo instead of right beneath the set height of #pageHeader. All help is GREAT as this is something I have yet to figure out and need to ASAP! Keith ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Float help
Keith: I'm so new at this I'm surprised to be answering, but one thing that is wrong is that you don't have a proper doc type. you have !doctype html public -//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en you need to have it with the full uri. like such !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd; html lang=en head meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 I kept the lang bit in the html and the character encoding bit too, in my cut-and-paste because you do need them. fixing the doctype may help IE to see it correctly at any rate, its a beginning. I have had that be the problem for me getting in the habit of validating your html and css at http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1uri=http%3A//techvisioneer.com/clients/wshein/demo/admin/test/NewDesign.htm is a necessity, too! :-) hope this gets you started. best Donna Keith Ellis wrote: Hi all, This is my virgin post to this group after reading many months worth of posts so hopefully somebody will give me the tweak I need here. #container #pageHeader #headerLeft (where logo is bg-image) #nav #headerRight #pageContent #pageFooter http://techvisioneer.com/clients/wshein/demo/admin/test/NewDesign.htm I have a fairly simple header/content/footer layout except the height of the logo in the header is greater than the desired height of the header itself. My goal is to have the logo fixed in the upper left and the code in the #pageContent area to wrap around it. I set the height of #pageHeader as I'd like and floated #headerLeft to the left inside #pageHeader. This works perfect in FireFox but IE isn't recognizing the height of #pageHeader and it's bumping the content area underneath the logo instead of right beneath the set height of #pageHeader. All help is GREAT as this is something I have yet to figure out and need to ASAP! Keith ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Donna Jones West End Webs http://www.westendwebs.com/ 772-0266 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Float help
Keith Ellis wrote:
http://techvisioneer.com/clients/wshein/demo/admin/test/NewDesign.htm
I have a fairly simple header/content/footer layout except the
height of the logo in the header is greater than the desired height
of the header itself. My goal is to have the logo fixed in the upper
left and the code in the #pageContent area to wrap around it.
IE6 will expand the header, so everything can fit inside. Change the
header-construct to make it work like in Firefox
A couple of things needed:
1: give the page a standard doctype that'll even out
browser-differences. You are running them all in quirks mode at the
moment. I tested it with:
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
...which came out just fine.
2: Move the div id=headerLeft/div _below_ the pageHeader end-tag
and _above_ the pageContent start-tag. Change the address since it's no
longer inside the pageHeader, and make the style look like this:
#headerLeft
{
float: left;
background-image: url(logo0015.gif);
background-position: top left;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
width: 130px;
height: 130px;
border: solid 0px #9B1A0A;
margin: -60px 3px 2px 1px; /* added */
}
...IE6 will play along just fine, and so will Opera, Safari and Firefox.
regards
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[WSG] Re: Float help
Georg,
I haven't tested this yet since I'm at the day job right now but why would I
need the margin style?
Keith
[ISO-8859-1] Gunlaug Sørtun writes:
Keith Ellis wrote:
http://techvisioneer.com/clients/wshein/demo/admin/test/NewDesign.htm
I have a fairly simple header/content/footer layout except the height of
the logo in the header is greater than the desired height of the header
itself. My goal is to have the logo fixed in the upper left and the code
in the #pageContent area to wrap around it.
IE6 will expand the header, so everything can fit inside. Change the
header-construct to make it work like in Firefox
A couple of things needed:
1: give the page a standard doctype that'll even out
browser-differences. You are running them all in quirks mode at the
moment. I tested it with:
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd;
...which came out just fine.
2: Move the div id=headerLeft/div _below_ the pageHeader end-tag
and _above_ the pageContent start-tag. Change the address since it's no
longer inside the pageHeader, and make the style look like this:
#headerLeft
{
float: left;
background-image: url(logo0015.gif);
background-position: top left;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
width: 130px;
height: 130px;
border: solid 0px #9B1A0A;
margin: -60px 3px 2px 1px; /* added */
}
...IE6 will play along just fine, and so will Opera, Safari and Firefox.
regards
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Re: [WSG] Re: Float help
Keith Ellis wrote: Georg, I haven't tested this yet since I'm at the day job right now but why would I need the margin style? Yes, that's what makes the whole thing work-- once you've made the changes to your html-code. Those margins are repositioning the div back to where it is in your original. Just test and see. Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] SXSW session on accessible flash on fawnyblog
Nice, thanx. Can someone post more links from SXSWi? I know about http://www.happycog.com/clients/sxsw/ + http://photomatt.net/2005/03/12/zeldman-keynote/ http://scribbling.net/sxsw05/ http://www.andybudd.com/sxsw05/ http://blog.fawny.org/category/events/sxsw2005/ -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Re: [WSG] SXSW session on accessible flash on fawnyblog
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RE: [WSG] Redundant Code
Hi, Sarah- I printed out your test site because I thought it was so very clean and attractive and I wanted to study your use of styles in creating it. However, the page is wider than my printer's page size so some text is lost along the left side. For instance, Checkout in the navigation bar is cut off as is Contact. I see you have set the container width at 760px. Does anyone know what is the maximum number of pixels for page width in order to avoid truncating the text along the left side of a print job? Even Microsoft's support pages suffer from this same problem . . . really maddening when trying to solve a technical problem. Thanks for your help. Mary Ann -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sarah Peeke (XERT) Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 7:35 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Redundant Code Hi Siggy Thanks for your reply. ul liSub Heading 1 ul lia href=/Category 1/a/li lia href=/Category 2/a/li lia href=/Category 3/a/li lia href=/Category 4/a/li lia href=/Category 5/a/li lia href=/Category 6/a/li /ul /li liSub Heading 2/li liSub Heading 1/li /ul The change to the heirarchy above is great, but it doesn't help the #header, #mainnav and #subnav lists because there isn't a heading for these. If you look at the page with styles disabled you'll see what I mean. I have changed the list style as per your suggestion #2 - thanks, an obvious improvement. Sarah Test site http://www.bureke.com.au/test/index.html which is valid XHTML/CSS. The style sheet is here: http://www.bureke.com.au/test/styles/global.css -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: +61 2 4782 3104 mobile: 0438 017 416 http://www.xert.com.au/ web development : digital imaging : dvd production ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[2]: [WSG] Redundant Code
HelloMary, use mozilla firefox : then use the "Fit to page" feature in print preview. Dawesi Tuesday,March15,2005,10:05:12AM,youwrote: Hi,Sarah- IprintedoutyourtestsitebecauseIthoughtitwassoverycleanand attractiveandIwantedtostudyyouruseofstylesincreatingit. However,thepageiswiderthanmyprinter'spagesizesosometextislost alongtheleftside.Forinstance,Checkoutinthenavigationbariscut offasisContact. Iseeyouhavesetthecontainerwidthat760px.Doesanyoneknowwhatis themaximumnumberofpixelsforpagewidthinordertoavoidtruncatingthe textalongtheleftsideofaprintjob?EvenMicrosoft'ssupportpages sufferfromthissameproblem...reallymaddeningwhentryingtosolvea technicalproblem. Thanksforyourhelp. MaryAnn -OriginalMessage- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] BehalfOfSarahPeeke(XERT) Sent:Sunday,March13,20057:35PM To:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject:Re:[WSG]RedundantCode HiSiggy Thanksforyourreply. ulliSubHeading1 ul liahref=""Category1/a/li liahref=""Category2/a/li liahref=""Category3/a/li liahref=""Category4/a/li liahref=""Category5/a/li liahref=""Category6/a/li /ul/li liSubHeading2/liliSubHeading1/li /ul Thechangetotheheirarchyaboveisgreat,butitdoesn'thelpthe#header, #mainnav and#subnavlistsbecausethereisn'taheadingforthese.Ifyoulookat thepagewithstyles disabledyou'llseewhatImean. Ihavechangedtheliststyleasperyoursuggestion#2-thanks,anobvious improvement. Sarah Testsitehttp://www.bureke.com.au/test/index.htmlwhichisvalid XHTML/CSS.Thestyle sheetishere:http://www.bureke.com.au/test/styles/global.css -- XERTCommunications email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] office:+61247823104 mobile:0438017416 http://www.xert.com.au/webdevelopment:digitalimaging:dvdproduction ** Thediscussionlistforhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ Seehttp://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm forsomehintsonpostingtothelistgettinghelp ** ** Thediscussionlistforhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ Seehttp://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm forsomehintsonpostingtothelistgettinghelp ** -- Bestregards, Chrismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [WSG] Redundant Code
At 03:05 PM 3/14/2005, Mary Ann wrote: I see you have set the container width at 760px. Does anyone know what is the maximum number of pixels for page width in order to avoid truncating the text along the left side of a print job? Even Microsoft's support pages suffer from this same problem . . . really maddening when trying to solve a technical problem. How wide is a piece of paper? Well... twice half its width... Or in CSS terms, 100%, not N pixels or N ems. If you think about it, the width you've got to work with depends on the paper size being used (letter, A4, Executive, etc.), orientation (portrait or landscape), and margins, varying with the printer and the user's preferences. In other words, you can't predict print width any more than you can predict browser width. Best to design layouts that can roll with the terrain. You can take the short-cut of guessing what most of your users might be using in the way of paper size and printer margins, but why design a page to break for everyone else? Use a max-width strategy to keep the layout from attenuating on really wide paper and perhaps a min-width strategy to force spill-over to a second sheet to accommodate illustrations that can't be shrunk, and let everything that can flow, flow. Regards, Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Redundant Code
Don't know the maximum number of pixels a page can have; it very likely depends on the user agent. I would have thought the most robust way is to have a fluid design; which led me to an idea--having a fluid design only in the print media type :P I wonder if anyone's done that?? Or you could print it out in landscape view, given that a piece of paper is normally portait whereas a screen often landscape. FireFox has some rather nice print options, btw. Siggy - Original Message - From: Mary Ann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:05 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] Redundant Code Hi, Sarah- I printed out your test site because I thought it was so very clean and attractive and I wanted to study your use of styles in creating it. However, the page is wider than my printer's page size so some text is lost along the left side. For instance, Checkout in the navigation bar is cut off as is Contact. I see you have set the container width at 760px. Does anyone know what is the maximum number of pixels for page width in order to avoid truncating the text along the left side of a print job? Even Microsoft's support pages suffer from this same problem . . . really maddening when trying to solve a technical problem. Thanks for your help. Mary Ann -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sarah Peeke (XERT) Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 7:35 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Redundant Code Hi Siggy Thanks for your reply. ul liSub Heading 1 ul lia href=/Category 1/a/li lia href=/Category 2/a/li lia href=/Category 3/a/li lia href=/Category 4/a/li lia href=/Category 5/a/li lia href=/Category 6/a/li /ul /li liSub Heading 2/li liSub Heading 1/li /ul The change to the heirarchy above is great, but it doesn't help the #header, #mainnav and #subnav lists because there isn't a heading for these. If you look at the page with styles disabled you'll see what I mean. I have changed the list style as per your suggestion #2 - thanks, an obvious improvement. Sarah Test site http://www.bureke.com.au/test/index.html which is valid XHTML/CSS. The style sheet is here: http://www.bureke.com.au/test/styles/global.css -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: +61 2 4782 3104 mobile: 0438 017 416 http://www.xert.com.au/ web development : digital imaging : dvd production ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Redundant Code
On Monday, March 14, 2005 5:44pm, Sigurd Magnusson wrote: Don't know the maximum number of pixels a page can have; it very likely depends on the user agent. I would have thought the most robust way is to have a fluid design; which led me to an idea--having a fluid design only in the print media type :P I wonder if anyone's done that?? I've had good luck with using 'width: auto' in the print style sheet for content areas that get cut off at the side of the page. Jonathan ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] ActiveMatter
I know this might be slightly off toic, but the CMS listserv on WSG won't allow me to subscribe: Sorry, the mailing list cms@webstandardsgroup.org does not allow subscriptions. I'm currently part of a major project to roll out the ActiveMatter CMS. Now I'm wondering if anyone has any confirmed sightings of this product conforming to the following: 1) W3C HTML/XHTML and CSS 2) WCAG Level 1 Thanks Lawrence Meckan -- Lawrence Meckan Absalom Media Mob: (04) 1047 9633 ABN: 49 286 495 792 http://www.absalom.biz ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Redundant Code
Hi Mary Ann Seems as though everyone has pipped me to the post! I printed out your test site because I thought it was so very clean and attractive and I wanted to study your use of styles in creating it. You (and others) may be interested in the following links which have helped me with this layout: http://www.webcredible.co.uk/user-friendly-resources/css/css-round-corners.shtml http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customcorners/ http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/tutorial0501.htm HTH Sarah :) -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: +61 2 4782 3104 mobile: 0438 017 416 http://www.xert.com.au/ web development : digital imaging : dvd production ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] CMS List
You are using them old command method to subscribe and this has been disabled. Log into the WSG site and change your email prefs to include the CMS list. P I know this might be slightly off toic, but the CMS listserv on WSG won't allow me to subscribe: Sorry, the mailing list cms@webstandardsgroup.org does not allow subscriptions. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Redundant Code
Thank you, everyone- Wow . . . you guys are great! Mary Ann -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sarah Peeke (XERT) Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 7:13 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Redundant Code Hi Mary Ann Seems as though everyone has pipped me to the post! I printed out your test site because I thought it was so very clean and attractive and I wanted to study your use of styles in creating it. You (and others) may be interested in the following links which have helped me with this layout: http://www.webcredible.co.uk/user-friendly-resources/css/css-round-corners. shtml http://www.alistapart.com/articles/customcorners/ http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/tutorial0501.htm HTH Sarah :) -- XERT Communications email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] office: +61 2 4782 3104 mobile: 0438 017 416 http://www.xert.com.au/ web development : digital imaging : dvd production ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Redundant Code
2. I have used a modification of one of Russ' tutorials for the #header and
#subnav - to float the
menu elements left and right. Is there a cleaner way to achieve this other
than to apply a class to
*every* li tag?
The most powerful way to achieve this (but not supported by IE) would be to
use adjacent sibling selectors so no classes were used at all. For example:
#subnav ul li, #subnav ul li + li { background: yellow; }
#subnav ul li + li + li, #subnav ul li + li + li + li { background: green; }
3. Disabling styles in the browser provides three (3) separate lists
comprising #header, #mainnav
and #subnav *without* any explanation or visual hierarchy (obviously). Is
there a better way of
making it easier for someone without css (eg Netscape 4 users) or text readers
etc to differentiate
between these navigational elements?
Yes, there is definitely ways to help users understand your lists. You can
place hn elements before each list with descriptive headings, then hide
these headings from browsers that support css.
For example:
h2 class=descriptive-only
Main Site sections
/h2
div id=mainnav
ul...
/ul
/div
h2 class=descriptive-only
Shopping tools
/h2
div id=subnav
ul...
/ul
/div
These could then be hidden with a CSS rule along the lines of:
.descriptive-only { position: absolute; left: -999px; width: 990px;}
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Hi Russ
Thanks very much for your reply.
The most powerful way to achieve this (but not supported by IE) would be to
use adjacent sibling selectors so no classes were used at all. For example:
#subnav ul li, #subnav ul li + li { background: yellow; }
#subnav ul li + li + li, #subnav ul li + li + li + li { background: green; }
Good ol' IE - oh well, we can only hope IE7 is an improvement!
These could then be hidden with a CSS rule along the lines of:
..descriptive-only { position: absolute; left: -999px; width: 990px;}
Great idea.
I have subsequently used display: none; on the headers. Is this OK, or would
you recommend your
suggestion as being more standards-based?
Sarah
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Re: [WSG] Redundant Code
I have subsequently used display: none; on the headers. Is this OK, or would you recommend your suggestion as being more standards-based? display: none has known issues for screen readers: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fir/ The absolute method, which I have since heard referred to as off-left is more stable (under heading Late Breaking Breakthrough): http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ScreenreaderVisibility Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Asterisks in W3C spec
I keep seeing asterisks in the W3C spec but cannot see a glossary anywhere. As an example, with the img element in xhtml 1.1, the attributes 'src' and 'alt' are both marked with an asterisk. Why? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html#s_imagemodule (I realise img is marked to be deprecated in xhtml2, but I feel adoption for that will require new browsers to come out and gain market share, as the object tag has a huge set of problems) Finally, is there a commentary somewhere about the use of longdesc vs alt vs title (e.g. on images, on images where they are the sole content of links, etc). There seems to be a bit of information here and there, and obviously I can use common sense, but was wondering if there was some high-calibre writing out there, spelling out the different browser support and an overall conclusion? Siggy ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Asterisks in W3C spec
Here are some: Joe Clark's serialised book (covers all three - title, alt and longdesc) http://joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter06.html Writing good ALT text (covers all three - title, alt and longdesc) http://www.gawds.org/show.php?contentid=28 The alt and title attributes (covers alt and title but not longdesc, from memory) http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200412/the_alt_and_title_attributes/ Then there is always Laura's mega resource: http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/accessibility.ht ml#alt HTH Russ Finally, is there a commentary somewhere about the use of longdesc vs alt vs title (e.g. on images, on images where they are the sole content of links, etc). There seems to be a bit of information here and there, and obviously I can use common sense, but was wondering if there was some high-calibre writing out there, spelling out the different browser support and an overall conclusion? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] SXSW session on accessible flash on fawnyblog
http://blog.fawny.org/2005/03/13/sxsw2005-13d/ Transcript, commentary on first 30 mins or so of chat on accessible flash.. Wish I could've gone to SXSW! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
