Re: [WSG] CSS/Font size query

2005-03-24 Thread Felix Miata
Dave Barnett wrote: The URL is: http://www.flinders.edu.au/ We have tested the page on all available browser/system setups without a hitch, but we periodically receive emails from people complaining about “tiny” font sizes. Due to your style: body {font: normal 0.75em/127% ...

RE: [WSG] Semi-newbie: advice needed

2005-03-24 Thread Trusz, Andrew
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark B Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 5:41 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Semi-newbie: advice needed Hiya. I'm an experienced HTML CSS coder who has dabbled a little with the XHTML/CSS

Re: [WSG] Floated right div gets pushed below the left

2005-03-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I took a look adn i cant see a problem with the rendering, im no web-genius though, so dont take that as gospel!! - Original Message Follows - From: Vaska.WSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Floated right div gets pushed below the left Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005

Re: [WSG] Website Check (hopkinsprogramming.net)

2005-03-24 Thread Hopkins Programming
Will do Rick! Thanks Dean! :-D --Zachary On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:55:41 +1100, Dean Burge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, h2's on search page have wrong title values. A couple of }}'s messing up your CSS validation. -db -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Website Check (hopkinsprogramming.net)

2005-03-24 Thread Hopkins Programming
Hey, If anyone can check my site (hopkinsprogramming.net) out in Safari, IE 5.x Mac, and Konqueror and send me a screenie, I'd much appreciate it. I have already been to browsercam.com. I've already gone through my free trial. Thanks for all the help guys! :-) --Zachary Hopkins On Thu, 24

[WSG] you've been framed!

2005-03-24 Thread designer
Good Day Ladies and Gentlemen, Let me get it off my chest - I use frames sometimes! As far as I'm concerned, when you have a great long scrolling list (for example) and you want (need) to keep the nav stuff stationary, frames represent the ONLY way to do it. [posn-fixed] doesn't work in IE, nor

Re: [WSG] Color LCD Monitors vs traditional Monitors

2005-03-24 Thread Nancy Johnson
Thank you for all the feed back on LCD Monitors vs traditional monitors. I will look at all the suggestions. Nancy Paul Menard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could be the color calibration on the LCD or 'traditional' CRT. Check out some tools like:http://www.colorvision.com/ (PANTONE Spyder - hardware

Re: [WSG] you've been framed!

2005-03-24 Thread Vaska . WSG
As far as I'm concerned, when you have a great long scrolling list (for example) and you want (need) to keep the nav stuff stationary, frames represent the ONLY way to do it. The ONLY? What about: div style='width:300px;height:300px;overflow:auto;' !-- put your stuff in here -- /div That seems to

Re: [WSG] you've been framed!

2005-03-24 Thread Bert Doorn
G'day As far as I'm concerned, when you have a great long scrolling list (for example) and you want (need) to keep the nav stuff stationary, frames represent the ONLY way to do it. They don't. [posn-fixed] doesn't work in IE, nor is it likely to from what we've heard. I agree. However You

Re: [WSG] you've been framed!

2005-03-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
does that work in IE. Im thinking of implementing it in my blog, atm im jus using a blogger template. see: http://nogg3r5.blogspot.com Shaun Johnson - Original Message Follows - From: Vaska.WSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] you've been framed! Date:

RE: [WSG] Semi-newbie: advice needed

2005-03-24 Thread Becky Gardner
I know it's not an online course but believe me its enlightening! XHTML CSS run by a guy called Patrick Griffiths, his sites for details of the course www.viabit.co.uk and www.htmldog.com very very worthwhile. Regards Becky -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [WSG] you've been framed!

2005-03-24 Thread Martin J. Lambert
Bob McClelland wrote: As far as I'm concerned, when you have a great long scrolling list (for example) and you want (need) to keep the nav stuff stationary, frames represent the ONLY way to do it. Vaska.WSG responded: div style='width:300px;height:300px;overflow:auto;' !-- put your stuff in

[WSG] disappearing bullet in opera 7 when using floating image

2005-03-24 Thread Gerard Copinga
when I put a right floating image in an unordered bulleted list, then in opera 7.54 the list item holding the floating image doesn't show the bullet anymore. I use the following code: ul liItem 1/li liimg src=0_brailleleesregel_kleinst.jpg width=150 height=170 alt=Foto van een

RE: [WSG] you've been framed!

2005-03-24 Thread Gianfranco Todini
This example can help you to decide what is better to use between frames and fake-frames made with css instead: http://soiland.no/frames_with_css/ And this one explains why really is better to avoid frames: http://karlcore.com/articles/article.php?id=2 I obviously agree with the author of the

{Spam?} Re: [WSG] Website Check (hopkinsprogramming.net)

2005-03-24 Thread Kvnmcwebn
MAC IE 5 SCRENN SHOT attachment: SCREENIE.gif

[WSG] XML Declaration

2005-03-24 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, I vaguely remember reading if the xml declaration position the following: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en head titleVirtual

[WSG] Ordered Source (was Website Check)

2005-03-24 Thread diona kidd
Georg, That does help a lot actually. Thanks for taking the time to elaborate on this... diona On Thu, 2005-03-24 at 04:12 +0100, Gunlaug Srtun wrote: diona kidd wrote: Could some of you supply more information on this then? Maybe a link to an article or two? I don't understand what

Re: [WSG] Who's putting javascript in my code?

2005-03-24 Thread Alex Katechis
Seems interesting... the address 127.0.0.1 is the TCPaddress for loopback. This means that any computer that calls that address is actually referring to itself. The only reason I can think of, is that your browser is inserting it in order to allow or block certain functionality on the page

[WSG] XHTML 1.1 Presentation Module

2005-03-24 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, I thought these elements were deprecated: Presentation Module b, big, hr, i, small, sub, sup, tt But there existence in XHMTL 1.1 specification contradicts this assumption. Have the been ostracized by the web development community? I can remember hr being frowned upon as far back as Dave

Re: [WSG] disappearing bullet in opera 7 when using floating image

2005-03-24 Thread Ingo Chao
Gerard Copinga schrieb: when I put a right floating image in an unordered bulleted list, then in opera 7.54 the list item holding the floating image doesn't show the bullet anymore. ul liItem 1/li liimg src=0_brailleleesregel_kleinst.jpg width=150 height=170 alt=Foto van een brailleleesregel

RE: [WSG] Who's putting javascript in my code?

2005-03-24 Thread Patrick Lauke
http://forums.devshed.com/archive/t-77135 -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Alex KatechisSent: 24 March 2005 16:05To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] Who's putting _javascript_ in my code? Seems interesting...

[WSG] {Spam?} css layout review request

2005-03-24 Thread Kvnmcwebn
Hi all, Im building a css layout that will be launched in a pop up window on click. Its a template that will be updated by office staff using dreamweaver. Anyway im experiencing some cross browser gliches with the layout that i cant solve on my own. So far Ive tested in ie 5.mac ie 6 win

RE: [WSG] XML Declaration

2005-03-24 Thread Collin Davis
You are correct - when IE sees the XML prologue, it thinks that it's the doctype, and gets thrown into quirks mode. However, having the XML prologue after the doctype (as in your second example) isn't proper. Per the W3C specs, XHTML should be served as application/xhtml+xml or application/xml

Re: [WSG] XML Declaration

2005-03-24 Thread Piero Fissore
Yes, I agree. XML Declaration must be (when used) the very first element in the document. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list

Re: [WSG] Who's putting javascript in my code?

2005-03-24 Thread Vaska . WSG
i had a similar problem recently...we figured out after a week that it wasn't just on my end...although the host claimed they had checked everything, the server had a virus (that was connect to a java applet on another site that was a known home for hackers)...hopefully your problem isn't nearly

RE: [WSG] Who's putting javascript in my code?

2005-03-24 Thread Christie Mason
Are you using FireFox, IE or something else? I think that's browser based and it's something I've ignored but also been curious about. Christie Mason -Original Message- From: Carol Doersom To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 9:12 PM

[WSG] Ignore stumped by unstyled blockquote

2005-03-24 Thread Peter Flaschner
Found the problem - The style above the blockquote style was closed with a ) instead of a }. Hard to see the difference, but a difference it certainly does make. Now, to buy that rogaine... Peter Flaschner Chief Nerd and Bottle Washer FlashlightDesign.com 416-624-2739 p 416-466-1089 f

Re: [WSG] XML Declaration

2005-03-24 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, I thought the article suggesting this was the specification, so I asked. I'll file it under 'Urban Myth. C On Thursday, March 24, 2005, at 08:08 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote: Chris Kennon !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd; html

Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] Who's putting javascript in my code?

2005-03-24 Thread Peter J. Farrell
Vaska.WSG wrote: i had a similar problem recently...we figured out after a week that it wasn't just on my end...although the host claimed they had checked everything, the server had a virus (that was connect to a java applet on another site that was a known home for hackers)...hopefully your

RE: [WSG] XML Declaration

2005-03-24 Thread Patrick Lauke
Collin Davis Per the W3C specs, XHTML should be served as application/xhtml+xml or application/xml or text/xml and should not be served as text/html. Actually, it doesn't say should not! As per section 5.1, it actually states that documents may be sent as text/html: XHTML Documents which

Re: [WSG] IE7 isn't going to CSS2

2005-03-24 Thread Anthony Timberlake
That's what I would expect from Microsoft, they are always behind, and then when they realize that they need to update, they just copy someone else *ehh hmm, new MSN site*. On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 08:41:01 +1200, Rebecca Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, apologies if this has been posted

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 Presentation Module

2005-03-24 Thread XStandard
Hi Chris, b, i, big and small are still in the spec. But it's best practice not to use them. Don't know really why they were not taken out or deprecated. sub and sup are not presentational. There is a valid need for superscript and subscript in markup. For example: E = mcsup2/sup hr

RE: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 Presentation Module

2005-03-24 Thread Patrick Lauke
Vlad Alexander (XStandard) sub and sup are not presentational. I beg to differ...they are entirely visual. There is a valid need for superscript and subscript in markup. For example: E = mcsup2/sup Again, that's visual markup. It doesn't say M C squared, but M C and then a 2 that lives

Re: [WSG] 3.2

2005-03-24 Thread Hopkins Programming
Thank you! :-D --Zachary On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 11:56:26 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks good in Konqueror. -- °¿° http://dszady.com/ (under construction) -- == The best way to predict the future is to invent it.

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 Presentation Module

2005-03-24 Thread Chris Kennon
Hi, I can gather from this exchange, although the elements have not been deprecated, they should not be included in clean semantic markup? Thanks C On Thursday, March 24, 2005, at 09:06 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote: Vlad Alexander (XStandard) sub and sup are not presentational. I beg to

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 Presentation Module

2005-03-24 Thread XStandard
Hi Patrick, The following is take from: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/xhtml2.html Before somebody smart in this list points out that this document is a working draft, let me say that (1) there are other sources that say the same thing - I don't have time to hunt for them right now and (2) I am

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 Presentation Module

2005-03-24 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: [quote:] Separators: in previous versions of HTML, the hr element was used to separate sections of a text from each other. In retrospect, the name hr (for horizontal rule) was badly chosen, because an hr was neither necessarily horizontal (in vertical text it was

RE: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 Presentation Module

2005-03-24 Thread Trusz, Andrew
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick H. Lauke Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:06 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 Presentation Module Examples: E = mcsup2/sup span xml:lang=frMsuplle/sup

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 Presentation Module

2005-03-24 Thread Ben Curtis
I can gather from this exchange, although the elements have not been deprecated, they should not be included in clean semantic markup? One could argue that the replacement of i, b, sup, sub, tt, and hr with spans, classes, and the like are equally unclean semantically. What is the semantic

Re: [WSG] XHTML 1.1 Presentation Module

2005-03-24 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Trusz, Andrew wrote: Here's how xhtml2.0 defines the text module which includes [sup] [...] Note in particular the phrase in this case it is intended to only have a semantic meaning. That seems pretty clear. While that may or may not be the current definition of [sup], it certainly seems to be

Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] Who's putting javascript in my code?

2005-03-24 Thread Peter J. Farrell
Carol Doersom wrote: (I'm using FF1.0.1. ) Actually Neerav and Patrick are right that it's something Zone Alarm does. I turned off ad blocking and the postamble line went away, eliminating 2 of the warnings I was getting. Can't figure out how to lose the in-head line, though. One of the links

[WSG] Firefox bug on mouse scrolling

2005-03-24 Thread designer
Hi all, I notice a bug in Firefox (I think it is, anyway) which shows itself as a 2-3 pixel gap appearing in the bottom border of an image when the viewport is altered by scrolling with the mouse wheel. It doesn't affect all the images (strange) only some, and the image must be outside the

Re: [WSG] Firefox bug on mouse scrolling

2005-03-24 Thread Peter J. Farrell
designer wrote: Hi all, I notice a bug in Firefox (I think it is, anyway) which shows itself as a 2-3 pixel gap appearing in the bottom border of an image when the viewport is altered by scrolling with the mouse wheel. It doesn't affect all the images (strange) only some, and the image must be

Re: [WSG] XML Declaration

2005-03-24 Thread Sigurd Magnusson
Is there any situation where IE6 renders in standard compliance mode with the ?xml ... preamble? E.g. if a certain HTTP Header is used? And/or with a .xml suffix (Microsoft is big on looking at file extensions you know... ) I've seen plenty of comments that application/xhtml+xml isn't

RE: [WSG] XML Declaration

2005-03-24 Thread Collin Davis
This essay is very helpful in understanding this whole mess: http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml Ian puts it very well: [quote] Unfortunately, IE6 does not support application/xhtml+xml (in fact, it does not support XHTML at all). [/quote] Collin Davis Web Architect Stromberg Architectural Products

Re: [WSG] XML Declaration

2005-03-24 Thread Juergen Auer
On 25 Mar 2005 at 9:22, Sigurd Magnusson wrote: Is there any situation where IE6 renders in standard compliance mode with the ?xml ... preamble? If IE6 finds an Xml-Declaration, he switchs in BackCompat. I did use two testpages, look at http://www.sql-und-xml.de/ then at

RE: [WSG] 3.2

2005-03-24 Thread Chris W. Parker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:56 AM said: Looks good in Konqueror. Please don't send 107kb attachments to a public mailing list. In fact don't send attachments at all. ** The discussion list for

[WSG] A web page crashing FireFox 1.01

2005-03-24 Thread InfoForce Services \(Angus MacKinnon\)
I have been working on upgradeing http://choroideremia.org to web standards. When I use FireFox 1.01 to go to http://choroideremia.org , my PC crashes and all I can do is a cold boot. Anyone know why? Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune

Re: [WSG] Floated right div gets pushed below the left

2005-03-24 Thread Andrew Hawthorne
Hi Vaska, I think I may have a solution for you -- negative margins. I've used this method before and have had great luck with it. You can read up on Creating Liquid Layouts with Negative Margins for some details on the technique. This is one of my favorite articles on A List Apart. I was

Re: [WSG] A web page crashing FireFox 1.01

2005-03-24 Thread Andrew Hawthorne
Hi Angus, It would help to know some more details about your machine such as your OS, etc. I've been able to load the site fine, however an image chm_disease.jpg does not load. I'm running Win XP Pro SP2 and tested the site with IE6 and Firefox 1.0.2 regards, Andrew InfoForce Services

CLOSED Re: [WSG] Who's putting javascript in my code?

2005-03-24 Thread James Ellis
Hi This has nothing to do with web standards, more of a software support issue so I'm closing this thread. The WSG list doesn't cover software support. Cheers James --- admin On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 13:22:02 -0600, Carol Doersom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I'm using FF1.0.1. ) Actually Neerav

[WSG] ADMIN : attachments on the WSG list

2005-03-24 Thread James Ellis
Hi everyone Just a quick note that all WSG subscribers should adhere to the mailing list guidelines regarding attachments on the list. If you want to send someone a screenshot or something send it directly to them or make it available on your website. If you send a 100kb file to the list it gets

Re: [WSG] A web page crashing FireFox 1.01

2005-03-24 Thread David Laakso
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:20:14 -0800, InfoForce Services (Angus MacKinnon) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been working on upgradeing http://choroideremia.org to web standards. When I use FireFox 1.01 to go to http://choroideremia.org , my PC crashes and all I can do is a cold boot. Anyone know

Re: [WSG] 3.2

2005-03-24 Thread dszady
Sorry. Your Highness. On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:32:39 -0800, Chris W. Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thursday, March 24, 2005 8:56 AM said: Looks good in Konqueror. Please don't send 107kb attachments to a public mailing list. In fact

Re: [WSG] you've been framed!

2005-03-24 Thread Thierry Koblentz
designer wrote: OK, I know about the pitfalls, but the bookmarking thing is easy to get over - just add 2 short lines of javascript from www.CodeLifter.com : if (parent.location.href == self.location.href){ window.location.href = 'whateverframeset.html' } I don't think this has to do