Re: [WSG] when navigation schemes go bad.
On Thu, 12 May 2005 18:42:07 +0100, Drake, Ted C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used something similar on this site: http://www.csatravelprotection.com I don't see anything that would require tons of CSS on that page (checked FF nightly and Opera 8.01). Sub-navigation doesn't even change when you hover main elements - page has to be reloaded just to change that bit of CSS... BTW: clear padding on body, becase page looks a bit broken in Opera. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Using Object to replace IFrame
On Thu, 12 May 2005 21:25:36 +0100, Stevio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a page that works ok using an IFrame to load some content from another web site into this frame. The page is XHTML 1.0 Transitional compatible using an IFrame. To make it XHTML 1.0 Strict compatible, I would need to remove the IFrame and replace it with an object, from what I understand. I read something about it on the web but can't find it now. I think that's pointless. Except bugs, iframe and object are the same and both usually cause the same accessiblity/usability problems. Doctype alone is not going to improve your page a bit. Hacks and less compatible object is going to make it worse. It's like using JS hacks to get around missing target attribute in strict xhtml - you make your page worse than Transistional doctype allows, just to fool validator into accepting Strict doctype. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] 2 columns layout
Hi, i made a new column layout generator but instead of 3 columns (http://www.neuroticweb.com/recursos/3-columns-layout/) for 2. http://www.neuroticweb.com/recursos/2-columns-layout/ It would be pleasant any suggestion or comment. -- Carlos Rincn Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neurotic, SCP - www.neuroticweb.com Tel: 938 492 028 | Fax: 938 403 568 C\Can Cabatx s/n 08520 Les Franqueses del Valles ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Minimum browsers/OS tested for?
Neerav schrieb: Theoretical example 1: we used to design for 5.x browsers but recently stopped doing so without charging clients an extra XX% That is what we do now. I add an import filter (and document it) so that IE 4.0-5.0/Win and IE4.0-5.x/Mac and NN 4.x ignore imported styles: @import'styles.css'; http://www.dithered.com/css_filters/css_only/import_single_quotes_no_space.html If a client really want to support look and feel for these old browsers we will charge extra. (Accessibility level A is always included.) The only problem are browsers with partially broken CSS support that we cannot filter out without side effects (or filtering is too tricky). In general I do my best to support: Moz 1+ IE 5.5+ Opera 7+ Safari 1+ Konqueror 3.3+. (and browsers based on the browsers above) The detailed browser support level depends on the project, though. Tonico ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Minimum browsers/OS tested for?
@import'styles.css'; http://www.dithered.com/css_filters/css_only/import_single_quotes_no_space.html Agree, I'm lately converting to doing it the same way (as you never know when the brokem wannabe-css-rendering makes the site unusable, so rather serve plain document to them). -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Opera Acid 2 progress
Here's forum thread about it: http://my.opera.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=91018 and here is pretty nice comparison of latest builds: http://my.opera.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=929573 -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opera Acid 2 progress
On Fri, 13 May 2005 10:20:59 -0400, Kornel Lesinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and here is pretty nice comparison of latest builds: http://my.opera.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=929573 :-) -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com -- www.browsehappy.com www.opera.com Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] when navigation schemes go bad.
Hi Kornel True, that older site didn't require a lot of css. I did, however use the body class or id, I can't remember to trigger the sub nav to open. I've never liked that navigation layout. It was clumsy in cross-browsers. If I still worked there, I'd re-do it. I'll send them a note about the padding. I guess the point of the whole process is, if you have a lot of pages and need to create a navigation that is universal, using the body class and a set of rules in your CSS to open and close is a nice way to go. It's also nice if you can scrap all of this work and simply use a dynamically generated navigation list with appropriate class=here attributes. There is a piece on alistapart.com, one of the latest, that discusses how to combine this with rollover and current states. I've already used it's logic on a test navigation for a museum in Puerto Rico. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kornel Lesinski Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:05 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] when navigation schemes go bad. On Thu, 12 May 2005 18:42:07 +0100, Drake, Ted C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I used something similar on this site: http://www.csatravelprotection.com I don't see anything that would require tons of CSS on that page (checked FF nightly and Opera 8.01). Sub-navigation doesn't even change when you hover main elements - page has to be reloaded just to change that bit of CSS... BTW: clear padding on body, becase page looks a bit broken in Opera. -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] whats this
On 5/12/05, Kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello. I was looking over the list navigation article at http://www.complexspiral.com/events/archive/2003/seybold/cssnav.html lia href=index.html id=homeWidgetCo Home/a/li what is the id=home used for in this href? theres no css rule for it in the styles for that page? Check Link hilightning section: body.home a#home... Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE won't play
Sorry, got waylaid on a few other pressing problems. This answer makes
complete sense and I feel like a dummy for missing it altogether!
Thanks to everyone on the list for your help.
w
Wayne Godfrey
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On May 12, 2005, at 11:11 PM, Ben Crothers wrote:
Hi Wayne,
Looks like it's the set width that you're using. If you're already
using
margins on the H2, why not dispense with the width and add the right
margin,
like so:
#main #homer h2 {
font-size: 117%;
font-weight: normal;
letter-spacing: 0.06em;
line-height: 1.75em;
color: #FFF;
margin: 25px 210px 15px 10px;
text-align: left;
}
This works for me in IE (and the others). That help?
Ben Crothers
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Wayne Godfrey
Sent: Friday, 13 May 2005 11:43 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] IE won't play
The 380px worked for the top h1 but now IE is centering the h2 text
underneath, even though the CSS says align left. Getting there, but
why is
IE doing this?
w
Wayne Godfrey
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On May 12, 2005, at 9:05 PM, Ben Crothers wrote:
...or width: 380px; ...?
Ben Crothers
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Sent: Friday, 13 May 2005 10:48 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wayne Godfrey
Sent: 13 May 2005 01:13
For some dumb reason, IE wants to
drop my text way down on the background image instead putting it at
the top as the other browsers do.
Your width is a little wide -
#main #homer {
display: block;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
width: 390px;
z-index: 20;
}
Make is a tad less and it'll be fine.
Cheers,
Mike
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[WSG] Online payments
Hi all, Sorry if this is slightly OT. I¹m starting a website for a hotel and they would like to implement some kind of on-line reservation system with possible credit card payments. Since I have never done something like this before, are there any good (commercial or not) PHP-solutions available for this? Could I do this myself or do I have to call in a programmer? Any and all suggestions welcome... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online payments
Since the hotel is likely to have specific requirements with regard to what types of data they need to capture, it's advisable that you hire a web developer than can write software that meets those requirements. Ideally you would hire a developer with experience in the travel industry, since there are large reservation network systems that could be tied into, which would give the hotel exposure to travel agents, etc. There are open source PHP based shopping carts out there that will work out of the box, but I would imagine a hotel wouldn't want a shopping cart. Customizing shopping cart code to your specific requirements would probably be more trouble than writing software from scratch directly to your client's requirements. Besides that, I have yet to run across a PHP based open source shopping cart that wasn't insanely buggy, but YMMV. What you're really looking for is a way to process users' credit cards. Here's one way to do that in PHP, though I can't vouch for it, having never used it: http://pear.php.net/package/Payment_Process/docs/latest/ The basics of programmatically interacting with payment gateways are relatively simple, what's more complex is understanding how to enable the various kinds of functionality your client requires using that simple gateway API. Depending on how quick you are at picking up new technology, you might do OK (depends on how much programming you've done in other areas), but when you start thinking about the possibility of tying the reservation system into a larger travel network, you're going to want that programmer on your team. -j On 5/13/05, Erwin Heiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I¹m starting a website for a hotel and they would like to implement some kind of on-line reservation system with possible credit card payments. Since I have never done something like this before, are there any good (commercial or not) PHP-solutions available for this? Could I do this myself or do I have to call in a programmer? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Problem with print friendly and name anchor
Hi, I just created my online resume using CSS and strict XHTML. I encountered a couple of problems which I couldn't figure out why. First is to print a friendly version, I added print.css which should hide the picture and footer. But it worked only on IE (i am using 6) and I tested it with Firefox, Opera and NN, all of them were not working. I know I have other format which people can print it out or I simply create another page that reads the print.css style sheet. I read Eric Myer's article CSS Desing: Going to Print, it should be a doable thing and I want to know if it's something I did that's not working. Second is the name anchor I placed at the bottom of the page, it also worked only on IE. For other browsers, the anchor was going to the very bottom of the page instead of going up. Here's the link to the page. http://www.myriadcolor.net/resume.html http://www.myriadcolor.net/resume.css http://www.myriadcolor.net/print.css Any assistance with these two problems will be greatly appreciated. Lily
RE: [WSG] Online payments [CLOSED]
Yeah WAY OT, Please respond to Erwin off list. This list only covers web standards, if the brief was bigger than that it would explode and become unusable. There are no web standards involved in server-side technologies and tasks like card processing. We have a CMS list to discuss the output of these types of systems and how to make them standards compliant. If this had been asked on the CMS list I wouldn't have minded a bit. Erwin, I suggest you subscribe to it and ask the question there. Log into http://webstandardsgroup.org/members/ and change your email preferences to receive that list. If you want to discuss this issue (the thread closure) please write to info@webboy.net and NOT the list. I will unsubscribe anyone discussing it on list. It's not negotiable! We're trying to keep the noise down and this is noise. The Guidelines (that you all agreed to on joining) cover this very clearly. What the list covers and does not cover The mail list covers any topic associated with web standards including: Implementing Web Standards - eg: technologies such as HTML, XHTML, CSS, DOM, UAAG, RDF, XML Discussing best practice in these technologies Announcements of tools that can help build standards compliant sites Accessibility and semantically correct markup W3C specifications, drafts and proposals Useful resources that promote knowledge in Web Standards Site reviews and critiques Assistance with aspects of web standards such as site checking, layout issues etc. The mail list does not cover: Non-Web Standards related issues and support Discussion of server-side scripting beyond that directly involved with Web Standards Discussion of content management/web publishing system issues beyond those directly involved with Web Standards (there is a CMS list for that purpose, see the resources section for details) Detailed software support such as using a browser, installing a server, installing any tools etc. Product and service advertisements of a purely commercial nature Employment opportunities Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erwin Heiser Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 4:39 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: SPAM: [WSG] Online payments Hi all, Sorry if this is slightly OT. I¹m starting a website for a hotel and they would like to implement some kind of on-line reservation system with possible credit card payments. Since I have never done something like this before, are there any good (commercial or not) PHP-solutions available for this? Could I do this myself or do I have to call in a programmer? Any and all suggestions welcome... ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Problem with print friendly and name anchor
On 14 May 2005, at 8:02 AM, Lily Miu wrote: Second is the name anchor I placed at the bottom of the page, it also worked only on IE. For other browsers, the anchor was going to the very bottom of the page instead of going up. Your 'top' link is contained within a div with id='top': div id=top pa href=#topBack to top/a/p /div In compliant browsers, this is where your link goes to. It's also conflicting with your named anchor a name='top'/a. Remove a name='top'/a, and link to div id='resume' instead. Then the link will take you back to the top. If you need a named anchor for older browsers, then make it a name='resume'/a. Not sure without looking it up, but your xml prolog ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? may be causing problems with print stylesheet... maybe someone else can clarify? HTH N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] excerpt:SitePoint Design View #9 - Small Screen Development
Testing for Smartphones PDAs So, you were won over to the 'standards compliancy' argument. You now build your pages to HTML standards and sleep soundly in the knowledge that your work is accessible and device-independent. Ok, the reality isn't quite that easy, but it's a good place to start. The most depressing part is that, with the proliferation of phone/PDA-based browsing, there are now dozens of mobile browsers out there with viable markets. The list of key players include AvantGo, Blazer, DoCoMo, EudoraWeb, ftxBrowser, PalmSource, Nokia Mobile Browser, NetFront, OpenWave, Opera for Mobile, Plucker and Xiino -- just to name a few. The second depressing thing is they are actually getting harder to design for as they become more 'advanced'. In the past you could rely on them to simply ignore JavaScript and CSS. Not any more. Most now know just enough to get you into trouble. Fortunately, at this point in time, most of us aren't required to focus on delivering content to mobile devices. However, with Tim Berners-Lee this week announcing the W3C's 'Mobile Web Initiative', I thought now might be a good time for you to see how your current code fairs. So, assuming you don't own 50 phones, how can you find out? Here are a few ideas, listed from easiest to hardest in terms of setup and use. to get the full article you'll have to subscribe to Sitepoints Design View email newsletter http://www.sitepoint.com/newsletter/archives.php But a quick summary is: 1. Opera's Small Screen Rendering Mode - www.opera.com 2. WinWap's free Smartphone Browser Emulator -http://www.winwap.com/downloads.php 3. Openwave's Phone Simulator 7.0 - http://developer.openwave.com/dvl/tools_and_sdk/openwave_mobile_sdk/phone_simulator/ 4. Nokia's Mobile Browser - http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/0,6566,034-13,00.html -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for NetX, Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Problem with print friendly and name anchor
On 5/13/05, NickGleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14 May 2005, at 8:02 AM, Lily Miu wrote:Second is the name anchor I placed at the bottom of the page, it also worked only on IE. For other browsers,the anchor was going to the very bottom of the page instead of going up.Your 'top' link is contained within a div with id='top':div id=toppa href="" to top/a/p/divIn compliant browsers, this is where your link goes to. It's also conflicting with your named anchor a name='top'/a.Remove a name='top'/a, and link to div id='resume' instead. Thenthe link will take you back to the top. If you need a named anchor for older browsers, then make it a name='resume'/a. oh duh! I fixed it. Thanks! Not sure without looking it up, but your xml prolog ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? may be causing problems with print stylesheet...maybe someone else can clarify? ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? I believe is needed in order for XHTML to be validated. However, I did try to remove it and the print stylesheet still didn't work except for IE. HTHN___Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/**The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**-- Lily Miu Cell: (917) 915-3789Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Web: www.myriadcolor.netICQ: 136-651-206AIM: springdrops99
Re: [WSG] Problem with print friendly and name anchor
On 5/14/05, Lily Miu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8? I believe is needed in order for XHTML to be validated. Sorry Lily, this isn't actually helping with your print stylesheet problem, but I thought I'd step in and do some CSS Myth-Busting (TM). For a start, according to Anne van Kesteren (one knowledgable dude) it's not actually an XML prolog, it's an XML declaration. More info here: http://annevankesteren.nl/archives/2004/08/xml-declaration Secondly, the XML declaration is not required for validation. It is recommended by the W3C, but is not necessary. The reason why some people recommend that you DON'T include the XML declaration is because in IE6, if anything exists in the document above the doctype declaration, be it a comment, an xml declaration, ANYTHING, IE6 goes into quirks mode or old-browser-emulation mode. This causes IE6 to imitate IE5, with the broken box model and other nasty bugs. Other people say that you SHOULD include the XML declaration for that very reason - to reduce the number of rendering engines that you're trying to accomodate. I haven't seen much discussion of that point of view lately, so perhaps people are moving away from it (IE5's market share is definitely dropping throught the floor). Hope that's helpful, K. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Problem with print friendly and name anchor
On 14 May 2005, at 7:02 am, Lily Miu wrote: First is to print a friendly version, I added print.css which should hide the picture and footer. But it worked only on IE (i am using 6) and I tested it with Firefox, Opera and NN, all of them were not working. [...] Here's the link to the page. http://www.myriadcolor.net/resume.html http://www.myriadcolor.net/resume.css http://www.myriadcolor.net/print.css Both your stylesheets have a title, which makes them 'preferred stylesheets'. But those titles are different and mutually exclusive, as you can only have one 'preferred stylesheet'. Two solutions: 1/ delete the title form the print stylesheet. 2/ give both stylesheets the same title (And IE doesn't support the title attribute for stylesheets). Philippe ---/--- Philippe Wittenbergh now live : http://emps.l-c-n.com/ code | design | web projects : http://www.l-c-n.com/ IE5 Mac bugs and oddities : http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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