[WSG] Re_ WSG Multiple class names in older browsers (3).txt

[Dan]

Hi Maxine 

 
Have a check to see 
if it works in Safari. Last time I used multiple classes I has some serious 
problems with Safari, but of course they could be two unrelated 
things.
 
Cheers
 
Dan

Re: [WSG] Multiple class names in older browsers

[Douglas Clifton]

All versions of IE have problems with multiple-class
selectors.

h1.pink.blue.orange { ... }

will match level 1 headings with class "orange", but
ignore the pink and blue. In other words, only the
last class will match. ~d

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> From: Jan Brasna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 04:40:20 +0200
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Multiple class names in older browsers
> 
> Hi Maxine, all fine in 5.01 and 5.5 ...
> 
> AFAIK these old one can't handle
> 
> h1.pink.blue.orange { ... }
> 
> and interpret it as
> 
> h1.pink .blue .orange { ... }
> 
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[WSG] drempelvrij.nl toolbar - web accessibility testing tool

[Steven . Faulkner]

The Bartiméus Accessibility Foundation (http://www.accessibility.nl/)
have released a free a web accessibility testing tool
http://www.drempelvrij.nl/toolbar/index.html (internet explorer add-on)
that is intended for use in conjunction with an online step by step
testing procedure that they have developed.
Currently it available in Dutch, I believe they also plan to release an
English language version.


with regards

Steven Faulkner
Web Accessibility Consultant
National Information & Library Service (NILS)
454 Glenferrie Road
Kooyong Victoria 3144
Phone: (613) 9864 9281
Fax: (613) 9864 9210
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Re: [WSG] Multiple class names in older browsers

[Peter Asquith]

Seems to work fine in IE5.01/Win on XP SP2.

Cheers
Peter

Maxine Sherrin wrote:

I need to find out if multiple class names, like this:
Were supported in older browsers, in particular IE5 and IE5.5.


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Re: [WSG] Multiple class names in older browsers

[Jan Brasna]

Hi Maxine, all fine in 5.01 and 5.5 ...

AFAIK these old one can't handle

h1.pink.blue.orange { ... }

and interpret it as

h1.pink .blue .orange { ... }

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[WSG] Multiple class names in older browsers

[Maxine Sherrin]

I need to find out if multiple class names, like this:

Heading level 1

.

h1.blue {
background-color: purple; }

h1.orange {
font-size: 500%; }

Were supported in older browsers, in particular IE5 and IE5.5.

Is anyone able to just take a quick look at the following page in 
either or both those browsers and let me know?


http://www.westciv.com/07/index.html

Regards

Maxine

Maxine Sherrin

web : westciv.com
email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [WSG] national letters on MAC

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

On 1 Jun 2005, at 11:03 pm, akella wrote:


ive got problems with ukrainian(there are like russian but with 3-4
national letters) letters on MAC.

[...]

All font-familys(2 of them) looks like this:
font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
font-family:Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;

If u r interested css is here
http://akella.org.ua/pravda/base.css
and live example
here
http://akella.org.ua/pravda/




1/ it wouldn't be a bad idea to use UTF-8, I'm not sure if all 
characters are displayed correctly.


2/ you specify a number of fonts in your style sheet; none of those 
contain the glyphs those Cyrillic characters. All browsers on OS X 
substitute your font-choice with glyphs from another font-family. But 
some characters used (line 'i', '?') are included in your specified 
font-family, and are displayed according to your choice (noticeable in 
both Firefox , Safari/Omniweb and Opera).


3/ one additional problem in Safari and Opera: the font-family the 
browser end up using does not contain *bold* glyphs. The browser 
doesn't display the text as bold. Firefox attempts to emulate the 
bolding on the fly (and the result is - to my eyes -  acceptable for 
the latest nightly build, but on Firefox 1.04 it is not so great). But 
for those characters that are present in your selected font-family, 
there is a bold glyph, hence the difference in display in Safari and 
Opera.


Solution: don't specify any font-family, only a generic one (like 
sans-serif).
Or you could add a font-family that does contain Cyrillic characters, 
like 'HelveticaCY'

See this OS X font-list



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[WSG] Best way to embed WMV file in webpage?

[Neerav]

Hi

I have to embed a WMV (Windows Media Video) file on a page in a clients 
website and would appreciate any tips to improve the code used in my 
test page at http://www.rci.com.au/en/test/test.htm


FYI a quick test in Firefox, IE6 and Opera 8 worked fine

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Re: [WSG] A way to skip a Flash-intro if Flash is not installed?

[Chris Kennon]

Hi,

Just saw an opportunity to join the hands of Standards and Flash  
developers. Gratuitous flash intros are very much frowned upon. They  
have become like the exploding auto, flipping 20 times scenes in  
American action films.


Peace,
C
On Jun 1, 2005, at 4:40 PM, Vicki Berry wrote:

Like most dial-up users who do have Flash installed, I don't want  
to *ever* sit (and sit, and sit, and sit) through a Flash intro and  
want to be able to clearly see the link that says to skip it -  
please don't hide it behind the Flash movie! Best not to take  
usability choices away from your viewers.


Vicki.  :-)


On 02/06/2005, at 2:08 AM, Kristian Rasmussen wrote:


Viewers who have flash won't be
able to see it if the flash-object has 100% width and height, and
others will only see the text.


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Re: [WSG] A way to skip a Flash-intro if Flash is not installed?

[Vicki Berry]

Like most dial-up users who do have Flash installed, I don't want to  
*ever* sit (and sit, and sit, and sit) through a Flash intro and want  
to be able to clearly see the link that says to skip it - please  
don't hide it behind the Flash movie! Best not to take usability  
choices away from your viewers.


Vicki.  :-)


On 02/06/2005, at 2:08 AM, Kristian Rasmussen wrote:

Viewers who have flash won't be
able to see it if the flash-object has 100% width and height, and
others will only see the text.

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Re: [WSG] A way to skip a Flash-intro if Flash is not installed?

[Kristian Rasmussen]

Hi again,

Just an addition in case anyone else needs to do this: I found that
making an extra CSS-layer with nothing but position:absolute and a
link to get past the intro is enough. Viewers who have flash won't be
able to see it if the flash-object has 100% width and height, and
others will only see the text.

/Kristian

On 6/1/05, John Horner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Somewhat belatedly -- the Flash-detection JavaScript I recommend is
> the "Moock FPI" script, see
> http://www.moock.org/webdesign/flash/detection/moockfpi/ a lot of
> work has gone into it and it has a very detailed bug-fix history,
> which gives me confidence, although it doesn't seem to have been
> updated in a year or so.
> 
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Re: [WSG] national letters on MAC

[Juergen Auer]

On 1 Jun 2005 at 17:03, akella wrote:

> ive got problems with ukrainian(there are like russian but with 3-4
> national letters) letters on MAC.

Hello,

I do not have a Mac, but I saw that you don't use UTF-8, your file is 
saved as ASCII.

So convert the file to UTF-8 and test it again.

The problem looks like the security-problem using RegEx with the 
turkish 'Latin Small Letter Dotless I'.

It may be that your codepage doesn't support these two characters, so switch to 
UTF-8.


Best Regards
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Re: [WSG] Style PRE with word wrap?

[Vaska . WSG]

It's a pretty solution, but it doesn't word-wrap...at least not in 
Safari.  Make your browser window thinner and see what happens?


What I'm doing is no different except that I'm going through the 
trouble of having php count the number of tabs and then using that 
information to insert the correct class.  If there are more than 5 \t's 
I just stop it there.  This information is coming out of a database so 
it's no trouble going this route...


Oh, I'm not using pre either...v


On Jun 1, 2005, at 1:08 AM, Lachlan Hardy wrote:


Vaska.WSG wrote:
I've been reading around (via Google) and I find others with similar 
problems but no solution.  Is there a solution to this?


Whenever I present code in a page, I use something similar to the 
method Simon Willison put forward by in July 2002: 
http://development.incutio.com/simon/numbered-code-experiment.html


Works for me. I've yet to find a better method (although if someone 
has one...)


Cheers
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Re: [WSG] CDATA and html tidy

[Anthony Cartmell]

Thanks Bert, but I'm finding that a simple import such as:
 
@import url("../CSS/primary.css");



What about  - or are  
you using the @import for browser-hacking reasons?


The CDATA is needed because you have quote characters, which aren't  
allowed in XHTML apart from around tag attribute values.


I think.

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[WSG] national letters on MAC

[akella]

ive got problems with ukrainian(there are like russian but with 3-4
national letters) letters on MAC.

Here is screenshots
http://akella.org.ua/safari.jpg (15Kb)
and big ones
http://akella.org.ua/safari12.jpg (60Kb)
http://akella.org.ua/safari12.png(250Kb)

You can see bold letters "i" and "I". Its ukrainian(national) letters.
They were mixed(on mac u see not the letter u see on win ) and then
made bold. :( . With russians everything is ok.

All font-familys(2 of them) looks like this:
font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;
font-family:Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;

If u r interested css is here
http://akella.org.ua/pravda/base.css
and live example 
here 
http://akella.org.ua/pravda/

Bug(i think its a bug) is only for MAC browsers. Linux and Win is ok.


May be someone had such a bug with his own unique(national) letters...
Because i dont know what to do with it.. :(

Tnx in advance.
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Re: [WSG] CDATA and html tidy

[David Laakso]

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 06:37:14 -0400, designer  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Morning all,

When I run HTML tidy on a file (XHTML strict), it always wants to add
"/*

Re: [WSG] CDATA and html tidy

[Bert Doorn]

G'day again


Thanks Bert, but I'm finding that a simple import such as:


@import url("../CSS/primary.css");


is 'tidied' into:


/**/


So I doubt that I'm doing anything 'wrong' - am I?


Some development tools add extra code, "just in case".  Some add 
lots of it, but I won't go into which program does what.  There 
may be a setting in tidy that governs this. Suggest you check the 
manual or their website.


I'm not saying it's wrong to have that  in there.

I just don't see that it is necessary here (per 
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/diffs.html#h-4.8) as you're using an 
external style sheet and there's no entities that can cause 
confusion to x(h)ml in the import method used.


But I may be missing something.

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Re: [WSG] CDATA and html tidy

[designer]

- Original Message - 
From: "Bert Doorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] CDATA and html tidy


> G'day
> 
> > When I run HTML tidy on a file (XHTML strict), it always wants to add
> > "/* in any of my 
> (valid xhtml1.0 Strict) sites.  Avoid the characters that make it 
> necessary and/or usually use external style sheets (and external 
> javascript files).
> 
> Regards
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> 
Thanks Bert, but I'm finding that a simple import such as:


@import url("../CSS/primary.css");


is 'tidied' into:


/**/


So I doubt that I'm doing anything 'wrong' - am I?

Bob McClelland,
Cornwall (U.K.)
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RE: [WSG] Submit a form with text links

[Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]]

> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick Lauke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 7:19 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: RE: [WSG] Submit a form with text links
> 
> > Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
> 
> > Have a look at this page:
> > http://www.seek.com.au/jobsearch/index.ascx?DateRange=31&catlo
> cation=1002&st
> ateselected=true&catindustry=1200
> 
> > So the user searches for jobs. They find a range of jobs 
> that match their
> > search criteria. In fact they found 10 pages of jobs. Now I 
> want to give
> > them the option to select any of these jobs and "Send them to their
> > friends". 
> 
> 
> Right, in this case possibly a clumsy, but workable solution could
> well be to have numbered submit buttons, but turn them into 
> normal links with
> javascript functionality via the DOM on load...or to use a 
> script/noscript
> block.
> 

Yeah, I think that's probably the best solution. I have played with the
script/noscript solution and that seems to work alright.

So we ended up in two discussions:

1) Should it be done
2) How can it be done

Thanks for the feedback, guys!



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Re: [WSG] CDATA and html tidy

[Bert Doorn]

G'day


When I run HTML tidy on a file (XHTML strict), it always wants to add
"/* in any of my 
(valid xhtml1.0 Strict) sites.  Avoid the characters that make it 
necessary and/or usually use external style sheets (and external 
javascript files).


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[WSG] CDATA and html tidy

[designer]

Morning all,

When I run HTML tidy on a file (XHTML strict), it always wants to add
"/*

Re: *** SPAM *** [WSG] Is there a tool that converts long hand CSS to shorthand CSS?

[designer]

Top Style:  www.bradsoft.com  
 
Bob McClelland,Cornwall (U.K.)www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ben 
  Wrighton - StraightForward 
  To: WSG - post msg 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 10:37 
  AM
  Subject: *** SPAM *** [WSG] Is there a 
  tool that converts long hand CSS to shorthand CSS?
  
  Hi all,
   
  Has anyone come across an app (preferably free 
  or reasonably priced) that will convert longhand CSS e.g. 
  
   
  .style 
  {
  border-top-width: 1px;border-right-width: 
  1px;border-bottom-width: 1px;border-left-width: 
  1px;border-top-style: solid;border-right-style: 
  solid;border-bottom-style: solid;border-left-style: 
  solid;border-top-color: #CC6600;border-right-color: 
  #CC6600;border-bottom-color: #CC6600;border-left-color: 
  #CC6600;}
   
  To shorthand CSS 
  e.g.
   
  .style 
  {border: 1px solid #CC6600;} 
   
  Thank you for your 
  time,
   
  Respectfully, 
   
  Ben 
Wrighton

Re: [WSG] Is there a tool that converts long hand CSS to shorthand CSS?

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RE: [WSG] Is there a tool that converts long hand CSS to shorthand CSS?

[Patrick Lauke]

> Ben Wrighton - StraightForward

> Has anyone come across an app (preferably free or reasonably priced)
> that will convert longhand CSS e.g. 
...
> To shorthand CSS e.g.

http://flumpcakes.co.uk/css/optimiser/ does it nicely online.
http://www.westciv.com/style_master/ seems to have optimisation options
as well, and the price is ok.

Patrick

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[WSG] Is there a tool that converts long hand CSS to shorthand CSS?

[Ben Wrighton - StraightForward]

Hi all,
 
Has anyone come across an app (preferably free 
or reasonably priced) that will convert longhand CSS e.g. 

 
.style 
{
border-top-width: 
1px;border-right-width: 1px;border-bottom-width: 
1px;border-left-width: 1px;border-top-style: 
solid;border-right-style: solid;border-bottom-style: 
solid;border-left-style: solid;border-top-color: 
#CC6600;border-right-color: #CC6600;border-bottom-color: 
#CC6600;border-left-color: #CC6600;}
 
To shorthand CSS 
e.g.
 
.style 
{border: 1px solid #CC6600;} 
 
Thank you for your 
time,
 
Respectfully, 
 
Ben Wrighton

RE: [WSG] Submit a form with text links

[Patrick Lauke]

> Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]

> Have a look at this page:
> http://www.seek.com.au/jobsearch/index.ascx?DateRange=31&catlo
cation=1002&st
ateselected=true&catindustry=1200

> So the user searches for jobs. They find a range of jobs that match their
> search criteria. In fact they found 10 pages of jobs. Now I want to give
> them the option to select any of these jobs and "Send them to their
> friends". 

Ah...(little lightbulb flashes on) got you. I was looking at the checkboxes
at the very top, not even seeing the ones next to each individual job posting.

Right, in this case possibly a clumsy, but workable solution could
well be to have numbered submit buttons, but turn them into normal links with
javascript functionality via the DOM on load...or to use a script/noscript
block.

Patrick

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Re: [WSG] inline-block support?

[Ingo Chao]

Kay Smoljak schrieb:

On 5/31/05, kemie guaida <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I was sure that there was some major browser not implementing
display:inline-block, but in a quick test firefox 1.03, Opera 7 &8 and even
IE 6 are interpreting it correctly...


> I've never really thought about it before, but now I'm intrigued...
what specific, real-world problem could be solved by the use of
display:inline-block?


When you have to align elements (say, for a catalogue) that have to 
build a "line" and wrap like a text line, inline-block would be a choice.


http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/tmp/inlineblock.html

resize the window / text-zoom to see how the layout reacts in comparison 
with the float layout.


The advantages are that
- the "line-height" of the line-box build by the inline-block members 
reflects the tallest element

- the elements don't get hooked by taller elements when wrapping occurs
- they can be vertically aligned like chars
- they react as a line box next to floats like text lines, so the 
elements don't drop drop under floats.


And you can't do this with tables.

Ingo


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RE: [WSG] Submit a form with text links

[Joshua Street]

On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 17:55 +1000, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
wrote:
> The problem is I cannot get the info into the cookie without submitting a
> form first. :)

I'll confess to never having actually used AJAX, but would it be
possible to make the page work such that standard selection would
involve clicking link by link (and the page reloading each time) with
each link having a different URI string (so ./bla?bla=jobID), or, if the
user has JavaScript enabled, storing their selections in an array until
they submit it using JavaScript? (Or alternatively using AJAX to
dynamically submit data and update the page rather than submitting all
at once)

I have no idea how this would be done, only a vague idea that it _can_
be, and in an accessible way (albeit one way that is easier to use - but
that's the notion of "graceful degradation", so don't criticise the idea
on that point).

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RE: [WSG] Submit a form with text links

[Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]]

> -Original Message-
> From: discusster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 5:44 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Submit a form with text links
> 
> Hi Andreas,
> 
> This isn't really the "accessible" solution you're looking for, but if
> you want to avoid submitting a form but retain information between
> pages, you could try to set a cookie.
> 

The problem is I cannot get the info into the cookie without submitting a
form first. :)


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RE: [WSG] Submit a form with text links

[Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]]

> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 5:32 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Submit a form with text links
> 
> Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:
> 
> > BUT: users are accustomed to have text-links to allow them 
> to jump in
> > between search result pages (e.g. Google). So those links I 
> would like to
> > keep as text. The problem is, that when the users go to 
> another page the
> > selection they made on the current page should be 
> remembered. The only way
> > of doing that is by submitting the form. :)
> 
> Would the users expect to be able to tick different checkboxes, then 
> click any of the 1 2 3 4 ... links? Or would they tick 
> different boxes, 
> then submit the search, and *then* use the numbered links to flick 
> between results? 

I think you misunderstood what I had planned. Sorry, I might have been a bit
vague. 

Have a look at this page:
http://www.seek.com.au/jobsearch/index.ascx?DateRange=31&catlocation=1002&st
ateselected=true&catindustry=1200

They do exactly what I want to do, but they use Javascript. The checkboxes
are not part of the search criteria. They come *after* the search has been
done. 

So the user searches for jobs. They find a range of jobs that match their
search criteria. In fact they found 10 pages of jobs. Now I want to give
them the option to select any of these jobs and "Send them to their
friends". 

To make it clear to the user that their selection is being stored, I will
add a little note under the "Next Page" link (similar to how Seek have
solved it in the above link).


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Re: [WSG] Submit a form with text links

[discusster]

Hi Andreas,

This isn't really the "accessible" solution you're looking for, but if
you want to avoid submitting a form but retain information between
pages, you could try to set a cookie.

Cheers,
Blair

On 01/06/05, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's one I have been working on for a while:
> 
> I have got a couple of text-links that I want to use to submit a form. The
> deal: it has to be accessible (has to work with JavaScript disabled).
> 
> The closest I have come to a solution is to style input buttons with css so
> they look similar to text links, but it won't work in all browsers. Opera
> decides to add a shadow, even with background-color and border turned off.
> IE adds a bit of spacing left and right, even with padding and margin turned
> off.
> 
> Has anybody else found a better solution to this?
> 
> Thanks for the feedback!
> 
> Andreas.
> 
> Andreas Boehmer
> User Experience Consultant
> 
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> Mobile: (0411) 097 038
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Re: [WSG] Submit a form with text links

[Patrick H. Lauke]

Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:


BUT: users are accustomed to have text-links to allow them to jump in
between search result pages (e.g. Google). So those links I would like to
keep as text. The problem is, that when the users go to another page the
selection they made on the current page should be remembered. The only way
of doing that is by submitting the form. :)


Would the users expect to be able to tick different checkboxes, then 
click any of the 1 2 3 4 ... links? Or would they tick different boxes, 
then submit the search, and *then* use the numbered links to flick 
between results? To me, the latter makes far more sense...if I change 
search criteria, how can I know that there *will* be, say, 10 pages of 
results?
And in this case (which would really mirror what, say, Google does...you 
can't change your search string and then hit one of the following 
results pages...you have to explicitly submit the new search first, and 
*then* flick through results), your numbered links don't need to submit 
anything...just make sure that, as part of your href in those links, you 
pass the *current* state of the checkboxes as a GET parameter.


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RE: [WSG] Submit a form with text links

[Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]]

> -Original Message-
> From: Patrick H. Lauke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 5:19 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Submit a form with text links
> 
> Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:
> 
> > Making all the Page Numbers form buttons doesn't really 
> look good, if you
> > know what I mean. Would be great to get around it.
> 
> Even if you assign a specific class to those submit buttons?

Works in IE/Win and FF/Win, but not in Opera. I don't have any possibility
to test it on the Mac at the moment, but I think Safari will play up as
well.


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Re: [WSG] Submit a form with text links

[Patrick H. Lauke]

Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote:


Making all the Page Numbers form buttons doesn't really look good, if you
know what I mean. Would be great to get around it.


Even if you assign a specific class to those submit buttons?

input.submit { font-size: 0.76em; color: #00f; background: transparent; 
border: none; }




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RE: [WSG] Submit a form with text links

[Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]]

> -Original Message-
> From: John Horner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2005 4:51 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Submit a form with text links
> 
> I'm going to chime in with "why do you want to do this?" too, 
> I'm afraid.
> 
> Users don't expect a text link to submit a form, so doing this makes 
> your form less usable, more confusing, IMHO.

I completely agree that generally text links should not be used to "submit"
forms as such. However, in this particular case the links are not being used
to finalise a form and submit it, but to remember the selection the user has
made so far.

Imagine 10 pages of search results. The user can select any of the search
results by ticking a checkbox. Once they have selected all of the results
they want, they can hit a SUBMIT button to do something with the results
(e.g. email them to a friend). Fair enough. That button will be a normal
input button. 

BUT: users are accustomed to have text-links to allow them to jump in
between search result pages (e.g. Google). So those links I would like to
keep as text. The problem is, that when the users go to another page the
selection they made on the current page should be remembered. The only way
of doing that is by submitting the form. :)

Fair enough?


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