RE: [WSG] Text will not valign
As you have sizes set for the containers it is easy to centre the text vertically: to #column2-header h2 add line-height: 50px; to #column2-footer h2 add line-height: 30px; my previous comments where about horiziontally aligning the text (late friday afternoon brain fade) Nick This email is from the Department of Consumer and Employment Protection and any information or attachments to it may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please reply mail to the sender informing them of the error and delete all copies from your computer system, including attachments and your reply email. As the information is confidential you must not disclose, copy or use it in any manner. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid
Helmut Granda wrote: > Is it possible to turn a table grid into a full CSS grid? If it's tabular data, as others have said, mark it up as a table. But with tabular data, there is a relationship between the rows and the columns. Sometimes we want to present something in a grid, not a table, and that certainly can be done with CSS. The second project in Eric Meyer's "More Eric Meyer on CSS" uses a CSS to style a photo collection in a grid pattern. Vicki. :-) -- Vicki Berry DistinctiveWeb Web: http://www.distinctiveweb.com.au Blog: http://www.unheardword.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Criticisms of Internet Explorer
Very nice find, I was just blogging about why I think IE is a lost cause and this is perfect.On 10/8/05, Chris Blown < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:G'day Came across this the other day; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_Internet_Explorer Cheers Chris -- Anthony TimberlakeCo-Owner of StaticHost Internet Services - http://www.statichost.co.ukWhatever Tech - News and Community - http://www.whatever-tech.com
[WSG] Criticisms of Internet Explorer
G'day Came across this the other day; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_Internet_Explorer Cheers Chris
Re: [WSG] Dublin Core metadata
Andy Kirkwood | Motive wrote: The main advantages of the Dublin Core metadata is that it represents the efforts of a group of information and library science experts to translate the cataloguing conventions previously associated with real world libraries into metadata equivalents. This translation includes details such as publisher, copyright, etc. For a complete list of the elements see our glossary entry: < http://www.motive.co.nz/glossary/dublincore.php > or even http://www.dublincore.org/ which is the horse's mouth, so to speak (no disrespect to Motive) Adhering to the standards the DC working group recommend is one step toward interoperability--enabling catalogue records to be shared by different organisations. This aim of interoperability is not dissimilar to that of a web standards approach to content markup. We-ell, interoperability goes a little wider than mere data standards, or even metadata, but good metadata is what enables the power of XML and related information technologies to help you towards interoperable services. It means that your back-end doesn't have to be the same, or know how to talk to each individual system you want to exchange data with. It's the same theory that drives the Internet - having everyone talk the same language outside their boundaries means only one translation at the boundary. For a look at the NZ e-Government Interoperability Framework (eGIF), go to http://egif.govt.nz/ AFAIK DC is of most use for custom-build search engines rather than for public services such as Google. In New Zealand, DC metadata is used for the New Zealand government porta and locator service: < http://www.motive.co.nz/glossary/nzgls.php >. As you mention, strict DC is useful for content description but not for services. We examined DC as an option and thought we could stretch it to cover services, as the Australian Government stretched it to produce AGLS )Australian Government Locator Service) which is the direct ancestor of NZGLS. AGLS doesn't (yet) do services, nor does DC. For an in-depth look at NZGLS and our approach to metadata (again, no disrespect to Motive), see http://nzgls.govt.nz/ and you can find AGLS at http://www.agls.gov.au/ Cheers Mark Harris Ex-manager, Moderation and Web Standards, NZ State Services Commission Disclaimer: I didn't work much on NZGLS (although I did convene the original committee that started examining metadata for Government, but I did work on the original version of the e-GIF. It's a living standard and may be subject to change. Further, I no longer work for the E-government Unit of the State Services Commission (actually, it no longer exists as such) and I am now in the private sector, occasionally contracting back to them. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques
Thierry Koblentz wrote: I would appreciate your feedback so I can improve this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/branching.asp The idea is good, but it's a bit incomplete at the moment. I have yet to see a "good" browser with "solid" CSS support, so I don't think we can say completely "no to CSS hacks" anytime soon. But of course; this depends on how we define "hacks", so it's well worth trying. I find the extensive use of @import from within documents a bit code-heavy and limiting. Would like to see variations that'll lead to the same, more or less, hack-free results. I prefer to do as much @import branching as I can from within the stylesheets, and use link elements in the document-head. One set of @import in CSS is easier to maintain than having them spread across several hundred pages. My approach is also to style all media separately - including the use of @media, and use as few cross-media styles as possible. That's another way to avoid both hacks and browser-bugs. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques
Hi Andrew, With due respect for your article (everything gets "outdated" status pretty fast on the Internet... no) you was the one brought your article into the debate ;) Peace Kim It's all well and good to say "that's so outdated, what the heck were you thinking" and you're right -- I don't use the IE filter methods anymore and I usually cater for more alternative media from the outset. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques
On 10/8/05, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense at all. Or is there an important > detail I'm missing? ;) Yes, you're missing the part where this was written over 12 months ago by someone who had only built 3 sites and wanted to try and help other beginners navigate the 'minefield of pain' that is starting out with CSS. It's all well and good to say "that's so outdated, what the heck were you thinking" and you're right -- I don't use the IE filter methods anymore and I usually cater for more alternative media from the outset. I absolutely should write an updated version of my article, I don't deny much of what is discussed is now outdated.That said, I have an archive of nearly 700 emails thanking me for the methods outlined in that article alone, so I have no regrets what so ever about publishing and promoting those techniques (at the time, anyway). Let's discuss your article in 12 months and see if you still feel the same ;)
Re: [WSG] Dublin Core metadata
Hi Paul, The main advantages of the Dublin Core metadata is that it represents the efforts of a group of information and library science experts to translate the cataloguing conventions previously associated with real world libraries into metadata equivalents. This translation includes details such as publisher, copyright, etc. For a complete list of the elements see our glossary entry: < http://www.motive.co.nz/glossary/dublincore.php > Adhering to the standards the DC working group recommend is one step toward interoperability--enabling catalogue records to be shared by different organisations. This aim of interoperability is not dissimilar to that of a web standards approach to content markup. AFAIK DC is of most use for custom-build search engines rather than for public services such as Google. In New Zealand, DC metadata is used for the New Zealand government porta and locator service: < http://www.motive.co.nz/glossary/nzgls.php >. For a less dry example, the Image Library of the Australian National library also uses DC metadata: < http://www.pictureaustralia.org/ > >I have recently been reading about Dublin Core meta data. I would like >to know what the main advantages are of using it and how widely it is >interpreted by search engines. I am having a hard time finding out the >right information, could anyone point me in the correct direction or >maybe give some knowledge? Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid
Thanks again for everyone's response, It makes more sense now and it makes it easier to define what CSS layout is, at one point I thought that everything had to be CSS and nothing else or it wouldn't Validate, but I see that this is not the case. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Lapcewich Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:27 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid No. You are mixing apples and bicycles. Tableless layout refers to the *page design.* Within a tableless *page* layout, the tabular content should be in a table. Dennis "Helmut Granda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] udios.com> To Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc rdsgroup.org Subject RE: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid 10/07/2005 11:08 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] roup.org Thanks for your feedback guys. So those who insist in creating table-less layouts can not be done so all the time, there are times when you HAVE to use tables or it wont work. Would that statement be correct? Is it even wroth it to fight to transform that kind of content into table-less? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid
No. You are mixing apples and bicycles. Tableless layout refers to the *page design.* Within a tableless *page* layout, the tabular content should be in a table. Dennis "Helmut Granda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] udios.com> To Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc rdsgroup.org Subject RE: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid 10/07/2005 11:08 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] roup.org Thanks for your feedback guys. So those who insist in creating table-less layouts can not be done so all the time, there are times when you HAVE to use tables or it wont work. Would that statement be correct? Is it even wroth it to fight to transform that kind of content into table-less? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid
On 07/10/05, Helmut Granda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for your feedback guys. So those who insist in creating table-less > layouts can not be done so all the time, there are times when you HAVE to > use tables or it wont work. > > Would that statement be correct? Table-less layouts are possible. But that doen't imply the page will or should be table-free. If inside those CSS layouts tabular data must be displayed, that's what TABLEs are for. The idea is stop mis-using tables, not stop using them. > > Is it even wroth it to fight to transform that kind of content into > table-less? > Just let paragraphs be s, headings be s and tabular data be and everything will go just fine :-) -- Manuel a veces :) a veces :( pero siempre trabajando duro para Simplelógica: apariencia, experiencia y comunicación en la web. http://simplelogica.net # (+34) 985 22 12 65 ¡Ah! y escribiendo en Logicola: http://logicola.simplelogica.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid
Helmut Granda wrote: Thanks for your feedback guys. So those who insist in creating table-less layouts can not be done so all the time, there are times when you HAVE to use tables or it wont work. Would that statement be correct? No. It's avoiding tables for positioning of elements that should be avoided. Using a table for tabular data IS what the W3 suggests is proper. but this: Hi! style of "markup" is what we call "tag soup" and is, well, worthless for the evolution of the web. Is it even wroth it to fight to transform that kind of content into table-less? No. Not if you are after webstandards at least. Use css for positioning, decoration, and so forth. use a table for tabular data. you wouldn't type your resume up in Excel, would you? you probably wouldn't use Word to build a chart, either :D ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid
Thanks for your feedback guys. So those who insist in creating table-less layouts can not be done so all the time, there are times when you HAVE to use tables or it wont work. Would that statement be correct? Is it even wroth it to fight to transform that kind of content into table-less? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manuel González Noriega Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 12:48 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid On 07/10/05, Helmut Granda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it possible to turn a table grid into a full CSS grid? It's possible (kind of) but not desireable. > I have been looking for tutorials or some one who covers the subject, but > most places talk about using tables... > > Something like this > > > | a | b | c | d | > > | e | f | g | h | > > | I | j | k | l | > > > This is just an example, in reality ABCD can be the title of the columns and > E-L can be the content. > That's a table by nature and you should mark it up precisely so. -- Manuel a veces :) a veces :( pero siempre trabajando duro para Simplelógica: apariencia, experiencia y comunicación en la web. http://simplelogica.net # (+34) 985 22 12 65 ¡Ah! y escribiendo en Logicola: http://logicola.simplelogica.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid
On 07/10/05, Helmut Granda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it possible to turn a table grid into a full CSS grid? It's possible (kind of) but not desireable. > I have been looking for tutorials or some one who covers the subject, but > most places talk about using tables... > > Something like this > > > | a | b | c | d | > > | e | f | g | h | > > | I | j | k | l | > > > This is just an example, in reality ABCD can be the title of the columns and > E-L can be the content. > That's a table by nature and you should mark it up precisely so. -- Manuel a veces :) a veces :( pero siempre trabajando duro para Simplelógica: apariencia, experiencia y comunicación en la web. http://simplelogica.net # (+34) 985 22 12 65 ¡Ah! y escribiendo en Logicola: http://logicola.simplelogica.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Table grid to CSS Grid
Helmut Granda wrote:
Is it possible to turn a table grid into a full CSS grid?
I have been looking for tutorials or some one who covers the subject, but
most places talk about using tables...
Something like this
| a | b | c | d |
| e | f | g | h |
| I | j | k | l |
This is just an example, in reality ABCD can be the title of the columns and
E-L can be the content.
sounds like tabular data to me. This semantically SHOULD be in table tags.
if you want to, it can be done.
div.cell {
float: left;
width: 100px;
border: 1px solid #000;
}
A
B
.
.
.
L
for your mark-up
in a container of more than 600px, you will have the div wrap to the
next line. border-width, padding and margins can screw this up pretty
easily, and works best in a fix-ed width layout.
i used something similar on this basic demo i made:
http://www.hondaswap.com/ajscaraudio/
but, note, the product cat's are NOT tabluar data, hence, why i floated
them.
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Re: [WSG] Meta Keywords?
>>Plus there's the added notion that Meta Tags *in and of themselves* >>are a good thing to put in a page (as any librarian will tell you). >>Plus there's no way of knowing what future technologies can put these >>to good use. I agree with Richard, and this is what the Dublin Core Meta Data is all about. The idea is that metadata has intrinsic value in and of itself. While the DC idea might not be widely useful or supported right now, it's still a great idea in concept and practice. I've started using it for geographic data descriptions on my sites. Speaking of which, Paul Collins posted earlier about that today, but I haven't seen any feedback: >>I have recently been reading about Dublin Core meta data. I would like >>to know what the main advantages are of using it and how widely it is >>interpreted by search engines. I am having a hard time finding out the >>right information, could anyone point me in the correct direction or >>maybe give some knowledge? Any thoughts? -- Lance Willett simpledream web studio Phone: 520.954.5607 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.simpledream.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] avoid Verdana -> I cant get the whole point.
Mugur Padurean wrote: > It may be useful for some of you guys to know that on some > major Linux distros ( Fedora, Debian, Slackware) in all > browsers available through the KDE or > Gnome fonts appear > to be rendered slightly bigger than on WIN. Up to 5 % bigger By default, X on my SUSE machine sets itself to 120dpi (like "large fonts" in Windows) You also get a minimum font-size of 10px or 12px (can't remember which) in Konqueror ... always something to remember if you deign to cater to Linux users - which you should! Chris DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. If you have received this e-mail in error please inform the sender and delete it from your mailbox or any other storage mechanism. Neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept liability for any statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not expressly made on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or one of its agents. Please note that neither Macmillan Publishers Limited nor any of its agents accept any responsibility for viruses that may be contained in this e-mail or its attachments and it is your responsibility to scan the e-mail and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of Macmillan Publishers Limited or its agents by means of e-mail communication. Macmillan Publishers Limited Registered in England and Wales with registered number 785998 Registered Office Brunel Road, Houndmills, Basingstoke RG21 6XS ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] height 100%
Title: Message Fyi, the navigation on top and some images are out of alignment on XP FF. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:01 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] height 100% I have a page on http://testing.icanmls.pacificfox.com/concept03/ it validates! I have a main div and two divs in there that float, I'm expecting the left floating div to always dictate the height of the right floating div, so I set the right floating div to height: 100%; But it does not stretch all the way till the bottom. Does anyone know why? Thanks, Taco Fleur - CEO Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … ** Web Design and Development ** SMS Solutions, including developer API ** Domain Registration, .com for as low as AUSD$15 a year ** Seamless Merchant integration ** We endorse PayPal, accept payments online now!
Re: [WSG] Say no to CSS hacks with branching techniques
Andrew Krespanis wrote: > On 10/7/05, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I would appreciate your feedback so I can improve this article: >> http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/branching.asp > > Sure, but I'm in a hurry so please excuse me if I'm a bit short with > my reponse :) > > media="all" is a pretty presumptuous piece of advice; especially since > there doesn't appear to be any instruction for beginners as to the > implications of using media="all". Duh! Absolutely no excuse for that one... ;( > I couldn't agree more with what you're trying to achieve, but I think > there are still some important details missing :) That's why I asked for feedback. I *knew* there was room for improvment ;) I've added your suggestions as well as Christian's (regarding FOUC). > Funnily enough, I published something rather similar exactly one year > ago today: > http://leftjustified.net/journal/2004/10/07/css-negotiation/ Similar? I'm not sure ;) The title of my post says it all: "say no to CSS hacks" So to be honnest with you, I find your approach very *confusing*. You're using a CC without specifying a version vector in the conditional expression (saying it is to fix IE6) and then you come up with 2 different *hacks* to target IE 5 and 5.5 PC (what about IE 5 Mac BTW?). Actually, what you say is: "My favourite method is using Tantek’s IE5 and IE 5.5 band-pass filters in the IE only stylesheet to import a separate file for that browser only." But if you believe a CC is good enough to take care of IE6, then why using these 2 hacks for IE 5? I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense at all. Or is there an important detail I'm missing? ;) Cheers, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Mixed navigation and search form
Adam wrote: > Perhaps this (very draft, only tested to work in FFox) version might be closer to what you're after: Definitely a step in the right direction, but the form doesn't appear in Internet Explorer so I'm trying to find out why. Here's my own current code - which I haven't yet updated to reflect yours: http://www.chopstixmedia.com/dev/home.html I'm reasonably happy with how the navigation degrades when font size is increased but if there's a better way... Really, it's the search form I can't seem to get right. I've been looking at the vertical align techniques listed here but haven't been able to get them to work. Maybe I'm just dumb. http://www.quirksmode.org/css/centering.html http://www.domedia.org/oveklykken/css-vertical-align.php http://www.student.oulu.fi/~laurirai/www/css/middle/ http://www.webcredible.co.uk/user-friendly-resources/css/css-tricks.shtml All the best, -- Ian ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
[WSG] Ian Lloyd interviews Matt May
Apologies for cross posting: "Interview with Matt May" http://www.accessify.com/2005/10/interview-with-matt-may.asp __ Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!
Alan Trick wrote: The problem with testing has been argued about. The fact that Nielsen only surveyed his subscribers, most of whom are quite different from Joe User, probably provided different result than if more 'average' testing was done. Except, as has been pointed out, these results echoed older results. Those "older" results were obtained though a great deal of testing with average users. To put it another way, the experts have beed trained to know what bothers users and that's what they are reporting finding a lot of. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] height 100%
A 'float' container will only expand to fill its content (Content
controls its space from the inside to the outside).
What you need is a container that will controls its space from the
outside > in.
Try the following:
#column1
{
display:table-cell;
/* float: left;*/
width: 565px;
}
#column2
{
display:table-cell;
/* float: right; */
width: 185px;
height: 100%;
background-color: #828282;
background-image:
url(/_resource/image/concept03/layout-4-concept-3_09.jpg);
background-repeat: repeat-y;
background-position: left;
}
-chuck
On Oct 7, 2005, at 3:01 AM, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote:
I have a page on
http://testing.icanmls.pacificfox.com/concept03/
it validates!
I have a main div and two divs in there that float, I'm expecting the
left floating div to always dictate the height of the right floating
div, so I set the right floating div to
height: 100%;
But it does not stretch all the way till the bottom. Does anyone know
why?
Thanks,
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[WSG] Dublin Core metadata
Hi all,I have recently been reading about Dublin Core meta data. I would liketo know what the main advantages are of using it and how widely it isinterpreted by search engines. I am having a hard time finding out theright information, could anyone point me in the correct direction ormaybe give some knowledge?Thanks, Paul Collins
[WSG] height 100%
Title: Message I have a page on http://testing.icanmls.pacificfox.com/concept03/ it validates! I have a main div and two divs in there that float, I'm expecting the left floating div to always dictate the height of the right floating div, so I set the right floating div to height: 100%; But it does not stretch all the way till the bottom. Does anyone know why? Thanks, Taco Fleur - CEOPacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … ** Web Design and Development ** SMS Solutions, including developer API ** Domain Registration, .com for as low as AUSD$15 a year ** Seamless Merchant integration ** We endorse PayPal, accept payments online now!
RE: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!
> -Original Message- > From: Alan Trick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, 7 October 2005 5:13 PM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right! > > The greatest issue that I have with usability testing and such is that > they rely on the flawed assumption that the users know what they want. > Don't fool youself. From my experience, if you ask Joe User what an > Office program should look like, he'll describe what MS Office looks > like, and if you ask what a search engine should look he'll > say (in more > or less words) "like Google". > During usability testing you will generally try to avoid this problem by phrasing questions differently. Instead of asking them straight out what the website/program/functionality should look like you observe them with what they have got and try to analyse areas where the users show difficulties. In some cases of course they will tell you: "Google's search is much better than this" - but in that case you have to find out what it is that makes the search better rather than just copying entire Google. I agree: users don't always know what they want. But they do know what they like and what they dislike, what they understand and what they don't understand. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Text will not valign
Hi,
I replaced the block with inline, but it made no difference, you can view
the page here
http://testing.icanmls.pacificfox.com/concept03/
thanks
Taco Fleur - CEO
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Cowie
> Sent: Friday, 7 October 2005 5:36 PM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: RE: [WSG] Text will not valign
>
>
>
> > #column2-header h2
> > {
> > display: block;
>
> is the culprit, a block will always fill available space and
> align left.
>
> either
>
>
> 1. replace display: block; with display: inline;
>
> 2. Add a width to #column2-header h2 that is smaller than
> #column2-header and change margin: 0; to margin: 0 auto;
>
> that should solve the problem in most modern browsers
>
> Nick
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>
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RE: [WSG] Text will not valign
> #column2-header h2
> {
> display: block;
is the culprit, a block will always fill available space and align left.
either
1. replace display: block; with display: inline;
2. Add a width to #column2-header h2 that is smaller than #column2-header and
change margin: 0; to margin: 0 auto;
that should solve the problem in most modern browsers
Nick
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RE: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!
> -Original Message- > From: Alan Trick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, 7 October 2005 5:13 PM > To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org > Subject: Re: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right! > > > The fact that Nielsen only surveyed his subscribers, most of whom are quite different from Joe > User, probably provided different result than if more 'average' testing > was done. Not neccesarily. It depends on what you're testing and how you're testing it. Depends on the needs of that user group compared with another. > However, I don't really think that's a bad thing. I think it's actually better that way. What you're really looking at is comparing novice and expert users. Both are completely valid. What is important is that the user profile for example, 'expert' or whatever you define is compatible with the objectives of the evaluation. So if Nielsens objective was to elicit feedback from experienced users, and that's who he tested with, then it's the right way to do it. not neccesarily better. > The greatest issue that I have with usability testing and such is that > they rely on the flawed assumption that the users know what they want. > Don't fool youself. From my experience, if you ask Joe User what an > Office program should look like, he'll describe what MS Office looks > like, and if you ask what a search engine should look he'll > say (in more > or less words) "like Google". That's why a lot of effort is made to ensure that questions are phrased properly, don't lead the user etc. this is a huge subject and another conversation. Usability testing does not rely on the assumption that users know what they want. Mine doesn't anyway :) Have a great weekend everyone :) Lisa ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Top Ten Web Design Mistakes - yeah, right!
The problem with testing has been argued about. The fact that Nielsen only surveyed his subscribers, most of whom are quite different from Joe User, probably provided different result than if more 'average' testing was done. However, I don't really think that's a bad thing. I think it's actually better that way. The greatest issue that I have with usability testing and such is that they rely on the flawed assumption that the users know what they want. Don't fool youself. From my experience, if you ask Joe User what an Office program should look like, he'll describe what MS Office looks like, and if you ask what a search engine should look he'll say (in more or less words) "like Google". This happens a *lot* in linux, so much so that usability testing in linux essentially means 'trying to make it look like Windows'. Which is terrible because Linux is not Windows, and to try to make them the same would be a disservice to Linux. The same thing happens on the web (although less so). I read though the report and I saw this in serveral places. Particularly in the search section. Why does everyones search form need to be like Google's? Why do the search results need to be on a seperate page? Having a javascript search function that brough real-time result may lead to an increase in functionality (as long as you have a proper system set up for users without javascript). ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
