Re: [WSG] File sizes in links: kb KB mb MB etc.

2005-10-27 Thread Jason Foss
Far out Andy... now I'm really confused!!!

To elaborate on your Quicktime example, I'd be inclined to say something like:

* Optimised for broadband (5.4 Megabytes)
* Optimised for dialup (1.2 Megabytes)

Although separating binary from metric might be a new standard, it's a
big ask to just throw new units of measurement at end users. For the
most part it will have no impact on them anyway, as the file sizes are
just an approximation when used in this way.

Interesting info, though!

On 27/10/05, Andy Kirkwood | Motive [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Dan,

 Data storage units are a bit of a can of worms. The problem lies in 
 common-usage vs. international standards. There are also 'old' and 'new' 
 standards for unit abbreviations.

 METRIC vs BINARY UNIT GUIDE
 Essential reading before continuing...
  http://www.romulus2.com/articles/guides/misc/bitsbytes.shtml 

 RELEVANCE TO USERS
 There are a few reasons for showing filesize:
 -setting an expectation of time-to-download
 -setting an expectation of filesize (perhaps preferable for users on fixed 
 usage plans)
 -inferring quality (assuming bigger file = better 'quality')

 As connection speeds tend to be in kilobits per second (kbps), then filesize 
 _may be easier to convert to 'time-to-download'. (Although download speed 
 uses metric notation while data storage values tends to use binary notation). 
 The discrepancy between data transfer speed (metric) and filesize (mostly 
 binary) is likely to be the root cause of the unit abbreviation confusion.

 I'd recommend MiB/MB for files greater than 1MiB/MB, and KiB/kB for files 
 less than 1MiB/MB.

 If a single webpage offers alternative quality options, say for Quicktime 
 media files, listing the download options with filesizes using the units may 
 make it easier for the user to choose an appropriate option. Listing options 
 in a meaningful order, e.g. from smallest-to-largest filesize will also help. 
 (At all costs avoid ambiguous labels such as 'High' or 'Low' which could 
 equally relate to connection speed or quality.)

 FILE SIZES UNDER MAC vs WINDOWS
 To add insult to injury, Mac and Windows operating systems use different 
 systems when calculating filesize.

 Windows 2000 (File Properties)
 -binary: 1MiB (mebibyte)  = 1024 KiB (kibibytes)

 Mac 0S X (File Info)
 -metric: 1MB (megabyte) = 1000 KB (kilobytes)

 SUMMARY
 Given the relative number of Mac and Windows users (more Windows users) and 
 referring to the new IEC standards, the 'correct' unit abbreviation *should 
 be* mebibytes (MiB) or kibibytes (KiB), however this flies in the face of 
 common practice that refers to the 'old' standards of MB and KB.

 Toss a coin?

 a href=file.pdfSome file (PDF 0.1MB)/a
 
 My inclination is to use MB (Megabytes) where appropriate (ie. if the file 
 is greater than 0.01MB), and KB (Kilobytes) for files less than 0.01MB.  My 
 reasoning is that more users can grasp the concept of a Megabyte (think 
 floppy disks, flash drives, some MP3 players) than they can a kilobyte, 
 kilobit or megabyte.
 
 My only concern would be that most sites seem to use (ambiguosly) one of the 
 kb varieties.

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[WSG] Accessibility law

2005-10-27 Thread Ricci Angela
Hi all, 

It's a bit out of topic so you can answer me off-list : I'm preparing a 
presentation about developping accessible Web applications and I'd appreciate 
to have a feed-back (infos, impressions, interesting links you know) about 
national accessibility laws defined in Germany and in Italy.
I know there are some germans and italians on this list so if you're 
involved in accessibility, I thank you for your feedback!

Cheers!
Angela Ricci
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[WSG] display: table-cell etc for IE?

2005-10-27 Thread Rebecca Cox
Does anyone know if / when the table-mode display properties (eg display: 
table-row in CSS2.1) are going to be supported in IE? IE7 perhaps, or is this a 
bit too hopeful?

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[WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?

2005-10-27 Thread csslist
anyone see why this wont work in ie? works elsewhere but not on ieinput:focus,textarea:focus { background: #ff; color: #27455f; border: 1px solid #ff;}


Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?

2005-10-27 Thread Joshua Street
http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/11997

IE doesn't like the :focus pseudo selector.

HTH,
Josh

On 10/28/05, csslist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 anyone see why this wont work in ie? works elsewhere but not on ie

 input:focus,textarea:focus {
 background: #ff;
 color: #27455f;
 border: 1px solid #ff;
 }

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Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?

2005-10-27 Thread csslist
hum, i have it working on other sites but now that i think about it, it might be that it does because I have the ie7 hack in it.thanksFrom: Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:45 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/11997IE doesn't like the :focus pseudo selector.HTH,JoshOn 10/28/05, csslist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: anyone see why this wont work in ie? works elsewhere but not on ie input:focus,textarea:focus { background: #ff; color: #27455f; border: 1px solid #ff; }--Joshua Streethttp://www.joahua.com/+61 (0) 425 808 469**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list  getting help**


Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?

2005-10-27 Thread csslist
i put the ie7 hack in and it works fine now.gotta love ieFrom: "csslist" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:03 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?hum, i have it working on other sites but now that i think about it, it might be that it does because I have the ie7 hack in it.thanksFrom: Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:45 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/11997IE doesn't like the :focus pseudo selector.HTH,JoshOn 10/28/05, csslist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: anyone see why this wont work in ie? works elsewhere but not on ie input:focus,textarea:focus { background: #ff; color: #27455f; border: 1px solid #ff; }--Joshua Streethttp://www.joahua.com/+61 (0) 425 808 469**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list  getting help**


Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?

2005-10-27 Thread Joshua Street
On 10/28/05, csslist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i put the ie7 hack in and it works fine now.

 gotta love ie

How big is that thing? Can you split it up so you can just use the
bits you need (i.e. :pseudo-selector), or do you need to use the full
thing? I'd heard it's largish (but haven't ever used it/had to use
it).

Josh
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Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?

2005-10-27 Thread Joshua Street
On 10/28/05, Focas, Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The ie7 hack being what?

 grant

http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ I presume...
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re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?

2005-10-27 Thread csslist
i would imagine that you could, i have noticed a lag sometimes but that seems to be only when using transparent pngs (see www.icandfashion.com) you can see a bit of a lag there for that to kick in.im not doing that on this one http://65.36.226.10/contact/contact.cfmso far i cant see any lag but i dont have any links up or nav yet so its kinda hard to tellafter clicking on those what do you think?daveFrom: Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 8:30 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] extra eyes on an input:focus ?On 10/28/05, csslist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i put the ie7 hack in and it works fine now. gotta love ieHow big is that thing? Can you split it up so you can just use thebits you need (i.e. :pseudo-selector), or do you need to use the fullthing? I'd heard it's largish (but haven't ever used it/had to useit).Josh**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list  getting help**


[WSG] Current practices in Australian web development

2005-10-27 Thread John Allsopp

Hi all,

Those of you who came to WE05 or who listened to the podCasts might  
have seen/heard my presentation on a recent survey I did on how well  
major Australian sites are adhering to best practices in web  
development (valid HTML/XHTML, CSS, Semantic and Structural use of  
HTML, Accessibility).


I've just published the whole thing as an article, with all the  
results (what errors people are making, results for each site  
surveyed, results by sector).


Its available here

http://westciv.com/style_master/house/good_oil/best_practices/

Hope people might find it interesting/useful

john

John Allsopp

style master :: css editor :: http://westciv.com/style_master
support forum ::  http://support.westciv.com
blog :: dog or higher :: http://blogs.westciv.com/dog_or_higher

Web Essentials web development conference http://we05.com


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[WSG] Firefox filter?

2005-10-27 Thread Kenny Graham
Believe it or not, part of my site works on every browser I've tested
-except- firefox.  That's right.  It works on IE, Opera, etc, but
Firefox screws it up.  Is there any valid way make firefox (well,
gecko in general) ignore a rule, while still serving it to all other
browsers?  The only method I can find is this:

selector { { declaration }

which obviously invalidates the css.

Incase anyone's curious, the problem involves using a non-repeating
animated gif as the background of a link, and a different
non-repeating animated gif as the background when that link is
hovered.  I'm using it to make a bullet slide toward the link on
hover, and slide back away from it on blur.  After one link is hovered
for the first time, every hover after that causes it to skip from the
first frame to the last, then back to the first, ignoring all frames
in-between.
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Re: [WSG] Current practices in Australian web development

2005-10-27 Thread Lea de Groot
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:14:04 +1000, John Allsopp wrote:
 http://westciv.com/style_master/house/good_oil/best_practices/

Excellent article - thanks John!
I was sorry in hindsight I missed your presentation at WE05, I heard so 
many good things about it, so its good to be able to read it. :)

I appreciate the ISO 9001 compliance comment for these companies, and I 
wondered if you have considered asking the web teams for these sites to 
respond?
It would be interesting to see how they justify these ... lack of 
results.

warmly,
Lea
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RE: [WSG] List item overlap

2005-10-27 Thread Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox
Title: Message



thanks 
guys.


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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
  Behalf Of Alex JamesSent: Monday, 24 October 2005 7:07 
  PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: RE: [WSG] List 
  item overlap
  Taco wrote: 
  I have this list item on http://www.lrp.com.au/admin/(main 
  navigation) it overlaps,I would like it to just continue underneath 
  without overlapping, is that possible?
  
  Also removed the 
  left and right padding on #navigation_main li, #navigation_sub li, should stop 
  the MAIN-NAVIGATION container 
  wrapping.
  
  ---
  aj


Re: [WSG] Text within tables

2005-10-27 Thread Kenny Graham
The content of a table cell should only be in a paragraph element if
the content of that cell is a paragraph.

 Should be a simple enough question but should text within a table cell
 ALWAYS be surrounded by P tags, or do we assume the TD to be the block
 element surrounding the inline text?
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