Re: [WSG] OT: Need recomendations for a JavaScript/DOM book

2005-11-24 Thread David Thompson

On 22 Nov 2005, at 16:50, Ted Drake wrote:
I would recommend starting with Domscripting by Jeremy Keith. Then,  
follow

with DHTML Utopia, I don't remember the author of DHTML Utopia.


Stuart Langridge.

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Re: [WSG] Maccaws.org contact

2005-11-24 Thread Peter J. Farrell

Vito Tardia wrote:


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The direct email seems not existing and I'm not sure about the form...

Thank you very much

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Re: [WSG] Maccaws.org contact

2005-11-24 Thread Vito Tardia

I didn't think of ;)

Thank you Peter

Vito

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Vito Tardia wrote:


Hi to all,

do you know an alternative way to contact the people at Maccaws.org?

The direct email seems not existing and I'm not sure about the form...

Thank you very much

Vito


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Re: [WSG] BOM and charset declaration in CSS

2005-11-24 Thread Dejan Kozina
I do use @charset (utf-8); even if it actually serves no purpose: some 
time ago I've put it in my default CSS template file and never cared 
about it anymore...


You can safely remove the BOM from any utf-8 document, as it serves no 
purpose: http://www.unicode.org/faq/utf_bom.html#29.


If your Unicode text editor doesn't allow to save your file without it, 
just open the file in a plain text editor and delete the first two 
characters: it won't mess the remaining text.


djn

Gene Falck wrote:

Hi Paul and Russ,

Paul wrote:

And how do you get around the UTF-8 signature or byte order mark (BOM) 
that

some editors add to the document?



I see you already have some replies on this BOM bit.

For looking over your file format (and also simply
deleting the BOM) you might also try a utility like
XVI32.exe which displays your file character by
character along side the hex values. Anything that
your editor puts before the DOCTYPE will put you
into quirks mode so the BOM (and anything else the
editor inserted at the beginning of the file) can
and probably should be deleted.

I like XVI32 a lot because I don't have a lot of
files to run in batch and I was curious what was
happening.

Regards,

Gene Falck
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[WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-24 Thread csslist
look at my menu http://65.36.226.10/content/catalog.cfm  which is fine until you increase the browsers text size to large then thereare some problems such as overflowing and such and if you use overflow it adds scrollbars even when it's technically not overflowing.  Anyone have any good suggestions for this?  tia  dave


RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-24 Thread Scott Swabey - Lafinboy Productions
To make the site truly fluid you'll need to use relative size units (em, %)
in place of pixels. This will ensure that container elements change size in
proportion to the font contained therein.

Regards

Scott Swabey
Lafinboy Productions
www.lafinboy.com

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Subject: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems


look at my menu
http://65.36.226.10/content/catalog.cfm

which is fine until you increase the browsers text size to large then
thereare some problems such as overflowing and such and if you use overflow
it adds scrollbars even when it's technically not overflowing.

Anyone have any good suggestions for this?

tia

dave

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RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-24 Thread Stephen Stagg
Could you use the Javascript getComputedStyle() function on an interval loop
to test for Text-size and if the Text size was too great then the Menu's
class could be changed to one with overflow:scroll. 
(Source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wdf-dom/message/3820)
Also if you define you DL height in EM (or not at all) then when the
text-size is increased, the background will scale to fit.

Stephen


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of csslist
Sent: 24 November 2005 23:51
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

look at my menu
http://65.36.226.10/content/catalog.cfm

which is fine until you increase the browsers text size to large then
thereare some problems such as overflowing and such and if you use overflow
it adds scrollbars even when it's technically not overflowing.

Anyone have any good suggestions for this?

tia

dave

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RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-24 Thread csslist
I dont know, not sure how to do that but I will look it up. I cant scale the bg to fit because its a one piece fixed size bg thanksFrom: "Stephen Stagg" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 7:25 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problemsCould you use the _javascript_ getComputedStyle() function on an interval loopto test for Text-size and if the Text size was too great then the Menu'sclass could be changed to one with overflow:scroll. (Source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wdf-dom/message/3820)Also if you define you DL height in EM (or not at all) then when thetext-size is increased, the background will scale to fit.StephenFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of csslistSent: 24 November 2005 23:51To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] menu suggestions and problemslook at my menuhttp://65.36.226.10/content/catalog.cfmwhich is fine until you increase the browsers text size to large thenthereare some problems such as overflowing and such and if you use overflowit adds scrollbars even when it's technically not overflowing.Anyone have any good suggestions for this?tiadave**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list  getting help**


RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-24 Thread csslist
The site isn't truely fluid as it uses a one piece bgFrom: "Scott Swabey - Lafinboy Productions" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 7:25 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problemsTo make the site truly fluid you'll need to use relative size units (em, %)in place of pixels. This will ensure that container elements change size inproportion to the font contained therein.RegardsScott SwabeyLafinboy Productionswww.lafinboy.com-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of csslistSent: Friday, 25 November 2005 10:51 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] menu suggestions and problemslook at my menuhttp://65.36.226.10/content/catalog.cfmwhich is fine until you increase the browsers text size to large thenthereare some problems such as overflowing and such and if you use overflowit adds scrollbars even when it's technically not overflowing.Anyone have any good suggestions for this?tiadave**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list  getting help**


RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-24 Thread Stephen Stagg








Sorry I wasnt clear on the second
point. The Menu-Item borders produce the bevelled effect on the menu I
believe. Because you have specified a height AND line-height of 20px, the
borders are always 20px apart. If the List item height were either auto or
specified in EM (say 1.3EM), the menu would look better at different text-sizes
because the menu-item borders would fit better.



Stephen











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Subject: RE: [WSG] menu
suggestions and problems





I dont know, not sure how to do that
but I will look it up.
I cant scale the bg to fit because its a one piece fixed size bg
thanks







From:
Stephen Stagg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005
7:25 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: RE: [WSG] menu
suggestions and problems

Could you use the _javascript_ getComputedStyle() function on an interval loop
to test for Text-size and if the Text size was too great then the Menu's
class could be changed to one with overflow:scroll. 
(Source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wdf-dom/message/3820)
Also if you define you DL height in EM (or not at all) then when the
text-size is increased, the background will scale to fit.

Stephen


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of csslist
Sent: 24 November 2005 23:51
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

look at my menu
http://65.36.226.10/content/catalog.cfm

which is fine until you increase the browsers text size to large then
thereare some problems such as overflowing and such and if you use overflow
it adds scrollbars even when it's technically not overflowing.

Anyone have any good suggestions for this?

tia

dave

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RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-24 Thread csslist
but if you do that it still gets screwed up  What i did was just set the font size in pints for the menu and it seems too work across the board better then anything elseFrom: "Stephen Stagg" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 8:05 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems Sorry I wasnt clear on the second point. The Menu-Item borders produce the bevelled effect on the menu I believe. Because you have specified a height AND line-height of 20px, the borders are always 20px apart. If the List item height were either auto or specified in EM (say 1.3EM), the menu would look better at different text-sizes because the menu-item borders would fit better.  Stephen  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of csslist Sent: 25 November 2005 00:50 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems   I dont know, not sure how to do that but I will look it up. I cant scale the bg to fit because its a one piece fixed size bg thanksFrom: "Stephen Stagg" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 7:25 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems  Could you use the _javascript_ getComputedStyle() function on an interval loop to test for Text-size and if the Text size was too great then the Menu's class could be changed to one with overflow:scroll.  (Source: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wdf-dom/message/3820) Also if you define you DL height in EM (or not at all) then when the text-size is increased, the background will scale to fit.  Stephen   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of csslist Sent: 24 November 2005 23:51 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems  look at my menu http://65.36.226.10/content/catalog.cfm  which is fine until you increase the browsers text size to large then thereare some problems such as overflowing and such and if you use overflow it adds scrollbars even when it's technically not overflowing.  Anyone have any good suggestions for this?  tia  dave  ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/  See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list  getting help **   


RE: [WSG] BOM and charset declaration in CSS

2005-11-24 Thread Paul Noone
Cheers, Gene. After reading the exhaustive W3C tutorial on encoding I wound
up not delcaring it in the CSS after all.

I'm also using Source Edit (a free Windows hex/text editor) to delete the
invisible single character entity that Notebook and other editors like to
insert at the start of file.

-Original Message-
From: Gene Falck


Paul wrote:

And how do you get around the UTF-8 signature or byte order mark (BOM) 
that some editors add to the document?

I see you already have some replies on this BOM bit.

For looking over your file format (and also simply deleting the BOM) you
might also try a utility like XVI32.exe which displays your file character
by character along side the hex values. Anything that your editor puts
before the DOCTYPE will put you into quirks mode so the BOM (and anything
else the editor inserted at the beginning of the file) can and probably
should be deleted.

I like XVI32 a lot because I don't have a lot of files to run in batch and I
was curious what was happening.


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Re: [WSG] Maccaws.org contact

2005-11-24 Thread Peter J. Farrell

Vito Tardia wrote:


Hi to all,

do you know an alternative way to contact the people at Maccaws.org?

The direct email seems not existing and I'm not sure about the form...

Thank you very much

Vito


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Re: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-24 Thread Christian Montoya
This website has too many things defined in absolute sizes to be
robust for font resizing. What you should do is take the overflow:auto
out of the left container altogether and let it flow down as far as
the content. Then when you increase text size everything flows
together and it looks fine. Besides the only thing the overflow:auto
does for me is give me two scrollbars to use on the site rather than
one.


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Re: [WSG] Maccaws.org contact

2005-11-24 Thread Vito Tardia

I didn't think of ;)

Thank you Peter

Vito

Peter J. Farrell ha scritto:

Vito Tardia wrote:


Hi to all,

do you know an alternative way to contact the people at Maccaws.org?

The direct email seems not existing and I'm not sure about the form...

Thank you very much

Vito


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Re: [WSG] Maccaws.org contact

2005-11-24 Thread Peter J. Farrell

Vito Tardia wrote:


Hi to all,

do you know an alternative way to contact the people at Maccaws.org?

The direct email seems not existing and I'm not sure about the form...

Thank you very much

Vito


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Re: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-24 Thread csslist
and if you take the overflow out the content just flows right on out over the bg and right down the page that would beautiful wouldnt it and I know what you are saying but we didn't want the pages to be big long pages it needed to fit within the browser(and NOT scroll), so your answer would depned upon how you want the website to be, whether you like it or not.  From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 1:27 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] menu suggestions and problemsThis website has too many things defined in absolute sizes to berobust for font resizing. What you should do is take the overflow:autoout of the left container altogether and let it flow down as far asthe content. Then when you increase text size everything flowstogether and it looks fine. Besides the only thing the overflow:autodoes for me is give me two scrollbars to use on the site rather thanone.Christian Montoyachristianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list  getting help**


Re: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-24 Thread Christian Montoya
 and if you take the overflow out the content just flows right on out over
 the bg and right down the page that would beautiful wouldnt it


I could show you a million websites with the background graphic
positioned at the bottom of the content. Why not split that background
image up and do like the rest of them do?

  and I know what you are saying but we didn't want the pages to be big long
 pages it needed to fit within the browser(and NOT scroll), so your answer
 would depned upon how you want the website to be, whether you like it or
 not.


The page does not fit within my browser. And I'm using one of those
very popular widescreen laptops that is very short vertically. So it
is not a matter of preference.

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Re: [WSG] menu suggestions and problems

2005-11-24 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun

csslist wrote:

and I know what you are saying but we didn't want the pages to be big
 long pages it needed to fit within the browser(and NOT scroll), so 
your answer would depned upon how you want the website to be, whether

 you like it or not.


So now one has to scroll both the window and the inner element in order
to get to the content. Cute.

Seriously, what windows/screens is that design meant to fit on?

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