Re: [WSG] Margins and floats

2005-11-29 Thread Christian Montoya

 Ended up, because content comes first, making the margin for the right side
 menu 67% left.
 #content {float: left; width:65%;
   margin-right: 15px;
 }
  #links {padding-right:10px; margin-left: 67%}

 This seemd odd to me but it works...any comments, is this ok?


this is because 65% width + 15px margin is greater than 65%. So the
margin-left on the #links has to be greater than 65% + 15px, and 67%
seems to be enough.

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Re: [WSG] Margins and floats

2005-11-29 Thread Marko Mihelcic - founder of mcville.net (http.//www.mcville.net)|(http://board.mcville.net)
yeah my point exactly 67 % m8!

2005/11/29, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  Ended up, because content comes first, making the margin for the right side
  menu 67% left.
  #content {float: left; width:65%;
margin-right: 15px;
  }
   #links {padding-right:10px; margin-left: 67%}
 
  This seemd odd to me but it works...any comments, is this ok?
 

 this is because 65% width + 15px margin is greater than 65%. So the
 margin-left on the #links has to be greater than 65% + 15px, and 67%
 seems to be enough.

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Re: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique

2005-11-29 Thread Artemis

Hi Samuel :)
I don't think I have enough qualifications to really critique your site 
in the manner that you probably want, but I am pretty good with graphics 
and colors. I think the site is beautiful, and I love the bright 
cheerful colors and the graphic that you've chosen! You've done an 
excellent job at making the visitor feel relaxed and invited.


Artemis

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Subject: [WSG] My Turn for a Site Critique
Date: 11/28/2005 15:18


Ok, it's my turn for a site critique:

http://www.seasonstravel.com.au/

What I'm worried about:

 - A new stylesheet loads depending on what season your computer clock 
is currently in, it should also load a default stylesheet if you don't 
have javascript enabled, is their any browsers that might have a 
problem with this?


 - I've only checked the site in Firefox and IE on the PC. If anybody 
has a mac I'd love for ya to take a quick look at it and let me know 
if anything is wrong with it.


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Re: [WSG] Input Desired

2005-11-29 Thread Tom Livingston
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:02:19 -0500, Mark Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:


Actually the site I need input on is not so much a non-profit but a  
small business that my future mother-in-law runs.here is the address of  
the old site:


The columns widths are breaking here. I'd like to through out the  
suggestion of using the Jello Layout[1]. I am using it on a current  
project and it has been fairly easy to implement anything (2 col or 3 col)  
inside of this. Check out the calculator (linked to from that page) for  
width help.


Screen shots available upon request. :-)


[1] http://sandbox.mikepurvis.com/css/jello/index2.php

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Re: [WSG] Input Desired

2005-11-29 Thread Tom Livingston
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:15:09 -0500, Tom Livingston  
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I'd like to through out the suggestion


Um. That would be _throw_ out the suggestion...

..need coffee. must have...coffee.

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Re: [WSG] Input Desired

2005-11-29 Thread Mark Arnold
Tom,

It looks helpful. Howeve, the Jello Calculator from that page is broken. I am able to reach the article however.

MarkOn 11/29/05, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:02:19 -0500, Mark Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Actually the site I need input on is not so much a non-profit but a small business that my future mother-in-law 
runs.here is the address of the old site:The columns widths are breaking here. I'd like to through out thesuggestion of using the Jello Layout[1]. I am using it on a currentproject and it has been fairly easy to implement anything (2 col or 3 col)
inside of this. Check out the calculator (linked to from that page) forwidth help.Screen shots available upon request. :-)[1] http://sandbox.mikepurvis.com/css/jello/index2.php
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Re: [WSG] Call for Site Check

2005-11-29 Thread Jay Gilmore





Matt Harris wrote:
Just re-worked my photography site: www.focusontheclouds.com
and wanted
to get your opinions. I've strayed into new territory - opting
for a slightly-risky, dark background instead of sticking with a
classic white background. I'm interested to hear if you think it
works...
  

It looks very good. A couple of minor points:


  I find the graphic text on the slide rollovers a little hard to
read -- especially the light on the over state. This, I think might be
tough for people with lower contrast or smaller monitors.
  Is clicking on the cloud banner supposed to be an easter egg.
There is no indication or direction that it rotates (loads new) lot of
slides. I like it but you should tell people or at least give more than
a hint than the outside border color change on hover.

All the best,

Jay






Re: [WSG] Input Desired

2005-11-29 Thread Mark Arnold
No problem Tom. Any of those screenshots available?

maOn 11/29/05, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: Fw: [WSG] Call for Site Check

2005-11-29 Thread Matt Harris
Thanks, Jay. yeay, the text on the slide rollovers was a pretty
tough call - but in the end I decided on such low contrast text in
order to keep the photo the primary focus. I'm not to worried
about it, since the text is secondary content. 

Also, the banner is actually a duplicate link to the home page. (:

Best regards,

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[WSG] Browser check Site crit please

2005-11-29 Thread Richard Stephenson
Hi everyone, I just joined this list and I have just plucked up
courage to ask you all to subject me to the humilitation that is my
first site check!

I have been working on my blog

http://www.donkeymagic.co.uk

for a while and it works ok in my browsers FF an IE6 on the pc but i
have no access to mac browsers and little experince of mac css
bugs/filters.

Any help/advice/critisism will be greatfully recieved.

Thanks,

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[WSG] BBC E-mail: Overhaul for Firefox web browser

2005-11-29 Thread Chris Kennon
Chris Kennon saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you
should see it.

** Message **
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** Overhaul for Firefox web browser **
A big marketing push is planned for the latest version of Firefox, the main 
rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer.
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/technology/4479412.stm 


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Re: [WSG] Browser check Site crit please

2005-11-29 Thread Jay Gilmore






Richard Stephenson wrote:

  Hi everyone, I just joined this list and I have just plucked up
courage to ask you all to subject me to the humilitation that is my
first site check!

I have been working on my blog

http://www.donkeymagic.co.uk

Richard, 

Looks pretty good. 

Here are a couple minor comments:
A little dark -- not sure what sort of style / feeling you are going
for.
The contrast for the links at the bottom vs. the background is very
low. It is hard to read on my CRT @ 1024X768.
Why not make the links in the left column all the same width? You can
make the a elements block and apply a width to create the same
size. It the uneven grey backgrounds are a little distracting.


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RE: Fw: [WSG] Call for Site Check

2005-11-29 Thread kvnmcwebn
hello,

What do you all think about adding yellow as the   primary link 
color?

-dont know but I think the new yellow is still to   saturated for 
the
secondary links, they are the
focal point now.

But the addition of a new color does help make the  navigation more
intuitive.

What about the color thats in the search box or
something like it for the secondary links?

The photo thumb of the river (after you click the
clouds) complements the blue really well. Trying samplesof that 
with an
eyedropper might get you a good color aswell. Well thats what i would 
try
anyway

-best
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RE: Fw: [WSG] Call for Site Check

2005-11-29 Thread Stephen Stagg
One other point, on FF 1.5, if I click to the left of the main column, it
selects everything and makes things look a bit odd.  I don't know if there's
anything you can do about it but it's slightly annoying and can be
confusing.

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hello,

What do you all think about adding yellow as the   primary link
color?

-dont know but I think the new yellow is still to   saturated
for the
secondary links, they are the
focal point now.

But the addition of a new color does help make the  navigation
more
intuitive.

What about the color thats in the search box or
something like it for the secondary links?

The photo thumb of the river (after you click the
clouds) complements the blue really well. Trying samplesof
that with an
eyedropper might get you a good color aswell. Well thats what i
would try
anyway

-best
kvnmcwebn


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Re: [WSG] Margins and floats

2005-11-29 Thread Bruce
Bert Doorn wrote:

 G'day
  Ended up, because content comes first, making the margin for the right
side
  menu 67% left.
  #content {float: left; width:65%;
margin-right: 15px;  }
   #links {padding-right:10px; margin-left: 67%}
  This seemd odd to me but it works...any comments, is this ok?

 Why not use % all the way (e.g on the padding)?  That way you
 won't have to worry about whether 15px is more, or less, than 2%

My initial post was the fact that I never thought of using a LEFT margin
from the menu for the main content. Maybe I was tired, but hadn't thought of
this, being so used to leaving a right margin for the menu when it was on
the right. So I spent over two hours trying to make the menu stay put
without success in both ie and firefox.

The menu left worked, surprised me, lol, but seemed strange to allow space
on the leftlearning here
Thanks all!!

Bruce Prochnau
BKDesign

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[WSG] info on a css hack

2005-11-29 Thread Ted Drake
Hi everyone. 
I came across a hack that I'm not that familiar with. As far as I know, it
allows you to target IE. I'm wondering if there are any published articles
about it.

Here's a sample.

#maincontent {  
width:500px;
*width:490px;}

Any links you may have would be appreciated.

Thanks

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Re: [WSG] info on a css hack

2005-11-29 Thread Jan Brasna

width:500px;
*width:490px;}


Same as underscore.

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[WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Ted Drake
Firefox has just officially released 1.5
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html

It's time to upgrade. If you haven't been using the beta, you'll be
pleasantly surprised.

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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread James Ellis
Hey

There is a run down of support for standards, at the Moz Dev Centre, here:
http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Firefox_1.5_Beta_for_Developers

Cheers
James
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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Marko Mihelcic - founder of mcville.net (http.//www.mcville.net)|(http://board.mcville.net)
noticed ;) 
2005/11/30, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Firefox has just officially released 1.5
 http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html

 It's time to upgrade. If you haven't been using the beta, you'll be
 pleasantly surprised.

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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Felix Miata
Ted Drake wrote:
 
 Firefox has just officially released 1.5
 http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html
 
 It's time to upgrade. If you haven't been using the beta, you'll be
 pleasantly surprised.

Does the Web Developer Extension run in it with your old profile without
fussing with it? I've been using both, but web dev only in 1.0.7 and
separate profiles for each.
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RE: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Geoff Pack


Can someone explain what the new Canvas element does that SVG doesn't? And why 
is it a new element instead of just using the Object tag?

Geoff.


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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Samuel Richardson
If you already have RC3 installed then you don't need to install this 
(as they are the same).


The web developer toolbar has and update that works with 1.5

Samuel



Felix Miata wrote:


Ted Drake wrote:

 


Firefox has just officially released 1.5
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html
   



 


It's time to upgrade. If you haven't been using the beta, you'll be
pleasantly surprised.
   



Does the Web Developer Extension run in it with your old profile without
fussing with it? I've been using both, but web dev only in 1.0.7 and
separate profiles for each.
 


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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Jay Gilmore






Felix Miata wrote:

  
Does the Web Developer Extension run in it with your old profile without
fussing with it? I've been using both, but web dev only in 1.0.7 and
separate profiles for each.
  


Yes. I just installed 1.5 into the 1.07 folder and of the 20 extensions
I have installed only 3 didn't update or function.




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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Ian Rifkin
Now, a funny note. Firefox 1.5 has a new feature (under the help menu) 
called Report a Broken Web Site. I wanted to see what it was like so I 
clicked on it. Within the tool there is a link to a Mozilla Privacy 
Policy, but it's a dead link. A broken site? Just thought it was amusing.


Ian


Ted Drake wrote:

Firefox has just officially released 1.5
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html

It's time to upgrade. If you haven't been using the beta, you'll be
pleasantly surprised.

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RE: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Stephen Stagg
I thought that it was an implementation of the SVG standard in Firefox,
something that hasn't been present till now.

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Can someone explain what the new Canvas element does that SVG doesn't? And
why is it a new element instead of just using the Object tag?

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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Lachlan Hunt

Geoff Pack wrote:
Can someone explain what the new Canvas element does that SVG 
doesn't? And why is it a new element instead of just using the Object 
tag?


It's an implementation of this:
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#scs-dynamic

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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Jay Gilmore




The one extension set that no longer works and I haven't found a
solution is the libraries for Spellbound. I am not sure where to find
the libraries. They are available at for Thunderbird. I really do use
it alot for blogging and forum posting.

-best.
Jay


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RE: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Ted Drake
Try this http://overstimulate.com/projects/canvas/ 


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Geoff Pack wrote:
 Can someone explain what the new Canvas element does that SVG 
 doesn't? And why is it a new element instead of just using the Object 
 tag?

It's an implementation of this:
http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#scs-dynamic

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RE: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Geoff Pack

I understand that much.

What I don't understand is why was this implemented as a new element. Shouldn't 
it be an Object?

From looking at the spec, it seems to pretty much replicates the capabilities 
of SVG, but using JavaScript instead of markup. Why not just use SVG, and use 
JavaScript + DOM if you want to add things dynamically?

Geoff.


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 Geoff Pack wrote:
  Can someone explain what the new Canvas element does that SVG 
  doesn't? And why is it a new element instead of just using 
 the Object 
  tag?
 
 It's an implementation of this:
 http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#scs-dynamic
 
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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Kevin Futter
Title: Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official



On 30/11/05 12:07 PM, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The one extension set that no longer works and I haven't found a solution is the libraries for Spellbound. I am not sure where to find the libraries. They are available at for Thunderbird. I really do use it alot for blogging and forum posting.

-best.
Jay
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The Mac version of HTMLTidy doesnt work under 1.5, which actually prevents me from upgrading on my work machine, as I use this all the time as a handy shortcut for picking up validation errors (and puts this thread vaguely on-topic too). The PC version works, so Ill be upgrading my PC for sure.

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[WSG] Javascript dependant devices

2005-11-29 Thread Herrod, Lisa

Hi List,

can anyone point me to an up to date list of browsers and devices that
either do not support Javascript or whose functionality is impeded by JS?

thanks,


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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Felix Miata
Samuel Richardson wrote:

 Felix Miata wrote:

 Ted Drake wrote:

 Firefox has just officially released 1.5
 http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html

 It's time to upgrade. If you haven't been using the beta, you'll be
 pleasantly surprised.

 Does the Web Developer Extension run in it with your old profile without
 fussing with it? I've been using both, but web dev only in 1.0.7 and
 separate profiles for each.

 If you already have RC3 installed then you don't need to install this
 (as they are the same).

I knew they were 8 days ago when it was announced among the Mozilla
developers that the release of 1.5 was expected to be no more than
renaming 1.5rc3. I've been running the 1.5 branch releases since they
were initially released as 1.5b1.

 The web developer toolbar has and update that works with 1.5

I did not install web dev in rc3, only in 1.0.7. I use two Firefox
profiles, one for the latest release, in which I have the latest web dev
installed, and one for some newer non-release version in which I never
install any extensions of any kind, that I have been using with the
pre-release 1.5's.

So, the question remains, does a release version profile with web dev
installed work without doing anything special when upgrading the release
version from 1.0.x to 1.5?
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RE: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Geoff Pack

Thanks. much clearer now.

Geoff.


Ted Drake wrote:

 
 Try this http://overstimulate.com/projects/canvas/ 
 
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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread matt andrews
On 30/11/05, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So, the question remains, does a release version profile with web dev
 installed work without doing anything special when upgrading the release
 version from 1.0.x to 1.5?

And the answer is: yes.  (for me, on WinXPSP2, from 1.0.7, with
planets in their current alignments...)
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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Christian Montoya
On 11/29/05, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So, the question remains, does a release version profile with web dev
 installed work without doing anything special when upgrading the release
 version from 1.0.x to 1.5?

When I upgraded cleanly from 1.0.x to 1.5b (I got rid of 1.0.7
entirely) there was an upgrade dialog that came up and automated
upgrading my extensions. I didn't have to do anything to my web dev
extension.

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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Lachlan Hunt

Ian Rifkin wrote:
Now, a funny note. Firefox 1.5 has a new feature (under the help menu) 
called Report a Broken Web Site. I wanted to see what it was like so I 
clicked on it. Within the tool there is a link to a Mozilla Privacy 
Policy, but it's a dead link. A broken site? Just thought it was amusing.


Bug filed.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318210

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RE: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Peter Williams
 From: Christian Montoya
 
 On 11/29/05, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  does a release version profile with web dev
  installed work without doing anything special when 
  upgrading the release version from 1.0.x to 1.5?
 
 When I upgraded cleanly from 1.0.x to 1.5b (I got rid of 1.0.7
 entirely) there was an upgrade dialog that came up and automated
 upgrading my extensions. I didn't have to do anything to my web dev
 extension.

I installed 1.5 with 1.07 already installed, it just upgraded
without fuss and without questions/dialogs. I too got the dialog
about my extensions, it offered to check for updates. The web
dev toolbar was upgraded seamlessly, but my often used ViewEXIF
extension ended up disabled and there are no compatible upgrades.

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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Zach
Bah, problems already. When you use dead centering in CSS (i.e., 
background: url(picture) center center no-repeat;), it ignores the 
second center, even though it is perfectly valid CSS.


The coming soon page on my site (byzach.com) is an example.

- Zach

Ted Drake wrote:


Firefox has just officially released 1.5
http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html

It's time to upgrade. If you haven't been using the beta, you'll be
pleasantly surprised.

Ted 



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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh


On 1 Dec 2005, at 12:36 pm, Zach wrote:

Bah, problems already. When you use dead centering in CSS (i.e., 
background: url(picture) center center no-repeat;), it ignores the 
second center, even though it is perfectly valid CSS.


Firefox 1.5 is correct according to css2.0. Firefox 1.07 was buggy in 
this.


See
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=243751#c4

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RE: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Kevin Yank
Zach,

You might try making that page valid HTML, so that Firefox obeys CSS
standards instead of lapsing into quirks mode.

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zach
 Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2005 2:36 PM
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
 
 Bah, problems already. When you use dead centering in CSS (i.e., 
 background: url(picture) center center no-repeat;), it ignores the 
 second center, even though it is perfectly valid CSS.
 
 The coming soon page on my site (byzach.com) is an example.
 
 - Zach


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RE: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Kevin Yank
The rendering you're seeing is because the body of the page has zero height
(a quirks mode behaviour, I suspect). Firefox isn't ignoring the second
center at all.

Simply typing this into the address bar fixes your layout:

javascript:alert(document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0].style.height='100%
');

Set the height property of the body to 100% in your CSS to get the desired
rendering. Or as I mentioned previously, make your page valid HTML instead
of just a couple of disembodied tags.

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zach
 Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2005 2:36 PM
 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
 Subject: Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
 
 Bah, problems already. When you use dead centering in CSS (i.e., 
 background: url(picture) center center no-repeat;), it ignores the 
 second center, even though it is perfectly valid CSS.
 
 The coming soon page on my site (byzach.com) is an example.
 
 - Zach


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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread Zach

Ah. Thanks!

- Zach

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:



On 1 Dec 2005, at 12:36 pm, Zach wrote:

Bah, problems already. When you use dead centering in CSS (i.e., 
background: url(picture) center center no-repeat;), it ignores the 
second center, even though it is perfectly valid CSS.



Firefox 1.5 is correct according to css2.0. Firefox 1.07 was buggy in 
this.


See
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=243751#c4

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Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official

2005-11-29 Thread adam reitsma
i don't think it actually ignores the second center... it just reads your body's height as 0px. Notice that if you have 'center top' it shows all of your background image, but with 'center center', it only shows half, as the background image has been vertically centered at 0px.
as a quick test - specifying the body height to 100% centers your image in FF 1.5 on PC.--adam--On 12/1/05, Zach 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Bah, problems already. When you use dead centering in CSS (
i.e.,background: url(picture) center center no-repeat;), it ignores thesecond center, even though it is perfectly valid CSS.The coming soon page on my site (byzach.com) is an example.
- ZachTed Drake wrote:Firefox has just officially released 1.5http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/releases/1.5.html
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Re: [WSG] Browser check Site crit please

2005-11-29 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 11/29/05 5:59 AM Richard Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this
out:

 Hi everyone, I just joined this list

I like it when there's a site identifier in the subject of the emails.
Doesn't have to be the site name (so your customer won't find it) but just
some identifier like problems with Mac browsers? or float problems or
such.

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