[WSG] best way to style addresses

2005-12-22 Thread tee

Hi there,

I am working on a page that involves with hundred of address in  
different locations/cities. What is the best way to do?

unordered list,  definition list  or  table data?

I am thinking to make two columns for address. Did a similar page  
sometimes ago with unordered list with two columns floated, because  
some address are 4 lines, some are 3, the result wasn't good.


Thanks!

tee
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Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-22 Thread designer
Most important thing I learned was that XHTML is just 'tag soup' unless 
you serve it properly. (application/xhtml+xml).  In consequence, the 
worst thing was finding that I had to have a radical rethink about my 
approach to producing web pages . . .


Merry Christmas everybody, and thanks for lots of help, instruction and 
shared knowledge!


Best Regards,

Bob McClelland

Cornwall (UK)

www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk



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Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-22 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
2005/12/22, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
...
  Still looking for a valid replacement to the IE CSS, display: inline-block;
 thing...

What am I missing? display: inline-block is perfectly valid in CSS2.1
Is your problem that CSS validator defaults to CSS2 profile?
You can change that selecting CSS2.1 for Profile in [2].
Sorry, if I misunderstood your statement.

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#propdef-display
[2] http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri

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RE: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-22 Thread Jamie Mason
Title: RE: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.





The summary attribute is best used to describe the structure of the table, not to summarise it's content
...ooops :)


This is the best thing I've learnt this year now too!!


Thanks a lot, 


...and a general thanks to the people of this discussion list also. I read WSG most days of the year and post every now and then. You've all helped me a lot (without realising I should think) and I've learnt loads this year through this and other sources, I appreciate it a lot that the WSG is available.

Have a great December break,


Jamie Mason
Skybet.com


-Original Message-
From: Terrence Wood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 21 December 2005 21:22
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.


The best web standards thing I learnt in 2005 is:


How to best use the summary attribute for screen reader users:


The summary attribute is best used to describe the structure of the table, not to summarise it's content. A longer summary is better according to actual screen reader user testing.

How do you know if your summary works, if you don't have any screen reader users to test with?


You need two people, someone to read the summary and someone to draw the table. Read your summary aloud and see what the other person draws. If the result resembles your table then you are on the right track =)

Example from complex financial table:
summary=There are 8 columns. Column 1 names the appropriation and labels the row or rowgroup. Columns 2 through 5 report the numbers for 2004/5, where column 2 is Budgeted Annual, column 3 is Budgeted Other, column 4 is Estimated Actual Annual, column 5 is Estimated Actual Other. Columns 6 through 7 report the numbers for 2005/6 where column 6 is Vote Annual, column 7 is Vote Other. Column 8 contains narrative on the scope of the appropriation. Rows are grouped by appropriation type.

(yep.. rowgroup is jargon, but most people got it... you could say group of rows)


HTH, please share your discovery in 2005.


kind regards
Terrence Wood.


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Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-22 Thread Christopher Townson

Terrence Wood wrote:

HTH, please share your discovery in 2005.


... the moment when it (finally) dawned on me that CSS is object-based 
! ;)



+ getting into microformats


combining these two was an eye-opener:
define abtract, re-usable formats for (X)HTML + package with 
accompanying CSS = less time styling the same repetitive content types :D


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Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-22 Thread Jay Gilmore






Rimantas Liubertas wrote:

  2005/12/22, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
...
  
  
 Still looking for a valid replacement to the IE CSS, display: inline-block;
thing...

  
  
What am I missing? display: inline-block is perfectly valid in CSS2.1
Is your problem that CSS validator defaults to CSS2 profile?
You can change that selecting CSS2.1 for "Profile" in [2].
Sorry, if I misunderstood your statement.

[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html#propdef-display
[2] http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri

Regards,
Rimantas

Many thanks! It is always a pleasure being given a polite
boot-in-the-a$$. I guess I'll be reading the 2.1 spec over the holiday.


2nd best thing I learned from this group -- inline-block is valid --
and -- I can change the default settings in Pederick's Toolbar.

All the best,

Jay




Re: [WSG] best way to style addresses

2005-12-22 Thread sam sherlock

Example:

ADDRESS
Newsletter editorBR
J.R. BrownBR
8723 Buena Vista, Smallville, CT 01234BR
Tel: +1 (123) 456 7890
/ADDRESS



with whatever styling provided by CSS you care for.


for more details see the link below

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/address.html



tee wrote:


Hi there,

I am working on a page that involves with hundred of address in  
different locations/cities. What is the best way to do?

unordered list,  definition list  or  table data?

I am thinking to make two columns for address. Did a similar page  
sometimes ago with unordered list with two columns floated, because  
some address are 4 lines, some are 3, the result wasn't good.


Thanks!

tee
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[WSG] xhtml DTD

2005-12-22 Thread Spark
 hya

 I use this W3C document as a reference to know which tag may go inside other:
 
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/xhtml-modularization-19990406/DTD/doc/xhtml1-t.elt.html

 I never found nothing else like that (such a DTD visual
representation), but what I want to know is: is it the latest version
? how may I know that ?

 I checked today to answer a question about tags inside LI , and found
by this very document, you may use any H tags , but H1 . Would it be a
typo ?
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/xhtml-modularization-19990406/DTD/doc/xhtml1-t.elt.html#li

 thank you

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Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-22 Thread Bob Schwartz

Christopher,


+ getting into microformats


I guess I missed something along the way. Where can I find out more  
about this?


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Re: [WSG] best way to style addresses

2005-12-22 Thread Ben Wong
I remember this question coming up before on this list. IIRC we
concluded that address / was only used for contact info for the
author of the document.

from W3C HTML 4.01 spec:

The ADDRESS element may be used by authors to supply contact
information for a document or a major part of a document such as a
form. This element often appears at the beginning or end of a
document.

For example, a page at the W3C Web site related to HTML might include
the following contact information:

ADDRESS
A href=../People/Raggett/Dave Raggett/A,
A href=../People/Arnaud/Arnaud Le Hors/A,
contact persons for the A href=ActivityW3C HTML Activity/ABR
$Date: 1999/12/24 23:37:50 $
/ADDRESS

Personally, I'd probably just go...

div class=address
123 Some Stbr /
Somewherebr /
SomeState1234
/div

On 12/22/05, sam sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Example:

 ADDRESS
 Newsletter editorBR
 J.R. BrownBR
 8723 Buena Vista, Smallville, CT 01234BR
 Tel: +1 (123) 456 7890
 /ADDRESS



 with whatever styling provided by CSS you care for.


 for more details see the link below

 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/address.html



 tee wrote:

  Hi there,
 
  I am working on a page that involves with hundred of address in
  different locations/cities. What is the best way to do?
  unordered list,  definition list  or  table data?
 
  I am thinking to make two columns for address. Did a similar page
  sometimes ago with unordered list with two columns floated, because
  some address are 4 lines, some are 3, the result wasn't good.
 
  Thanks!
 
  tee
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Re: [WSG] best way to style addresses

2005-12-22 Thread Bert Doorn

G'day

sam sherlock wrote:

for more details see the link below
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/address.html


Which is HTML 3 (quite outdated) but says...

The ADDRESS element specifies such information as address, 
signature and authorship for the current document


But...

tee wrote:
I am working on a page that involves with hundred of address in  
different locations/cities. What is the best way to do?

unordered list,  definition list  or  table data?


Yes, I've used the address element for such purposes too, because 
I did not know the intention of that element.  But going by the 
quote above, I don't think address would be appropriate here.


A *list* of addresses would probably be best done as a list (ul 
or ol) until (x)HTML comes up with something more semantic.


Maybe even a table would be semantic in this case - sounds 
similar to a database/mailing list where each row is a record and 
each column in that row a field (name, address, phone no. etc).


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Re: [WSG] xhtml DTD

2005-12-22 Thread Lachlan Hunt

Spark wrote:

 I use this W3C document as a reference to know which tag may go inside other:
 
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/xhtml-modularization-19990406/DTD/doc/xhtml1-t.elt.html

 I never found nothing else like that (such a DTD visual
representation), but what I want to know is: is it the latest version?


No, it's not.


how may I know that ?


If you go to the beginning of the spec (remove the /DTD/... from the URI).

http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/xhtml-modularization-19990406/

Read the status and you'll see that it's an old working draft and that 
the latest version can be found at 
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/


Specifically, I believe this is the closest to what you're looking for.

http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/abstract_modules.html

However, may I ask what your reason for choosing XHTML is?  If you're 
simply looking for a good reference for elements and their content 
models, the index of elements in HTML4 is more suitable for most authors.


http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/elements.html


I checked today to answer a question about tags inside LI , and found
by this very document, you may use any H tags , but H1 . Would it be a
typo ?
http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/xhtml-modularization-19990406/DTD/doc/xhtml1-t.elt.html#li


Yes, it would be.  There is no h element in XHTML 1.x.

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Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-22 Thread Lachlan Hunt

Bob Schwartz wrote:

Christopher,


+ getting into microformats


I guess I missed something along the way. Where can I find out more 
about this?


http://microformats.org/

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Re: [WSG] best way to style addresses

2005-12-22 Thread Martin Heiden
Tee,

on Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 10:03 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote:

 I am working on a page that involves with hundred of address in
 different locations/cities. What is the best way to do?
 unordered list,  definition list  or  table data?

 I am thinking to make two columns for address. Did a similar page  
 sometimes ago with unordered list with two columns floated, because  
 some address are 4 lines, some are 3, the result wasn't good.

The markup of addresses has been discussed earlier on this list. One
thread was this:

http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg21847.html

I think you should base your decision on what the user needs to do
with this list of addresses. If he has to search for a person, I would
probably choose a sorted table.

If it is a list of addresses, which doesn't need to be searched or which
represents a hierarchical order, I'd choose an unordered list with
each address marked up like this:

dl class=address
dt class=personName/dt
dd class=streetStreet Number/dd
dd class=cityZIP Citydd
dd class=countryCountry/dd
/dl

(I don't like the address tag, because it can only be used with inline
elements...)

Probably there will be a better microformat for this, but I don't have
the time to search for one now. Take a look at www.microformats.org

But probably the near future will bring us a pattern for marking up
addresses at John Allsopp's www.webpatterns.org

regards

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Re: [WSG] xhtml DTD

2005-12-22 Thread Spark
 hi,

On 12/22/05, Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Spark wrote:
   I use this W3C document as a reference to know which tag may go inside 
  other:
   
  http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/xhtml-modularization-19990406/DTD/doc/xhtml1-t.elt.html
 
   I never found nothing else like that (such a DTD visual
  representation), but what I want to know is: is it the latest version?
 No, it's not.

  how may I know that ?
 If you go to the beginning of the spec (remove the /DTD/... from the URI).
 http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/xhtml-modularization-19990406/

 Read the status and you'll see that it's an old working draft and that
 the latest version can be found at
 http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/

 Yeah, i found that when i first tried, but could not found the *same*
document. If you compare both, you might notice the older one is quite
easier to read and understand at first sight.

 But actually, reading it more closely , i could understand better the
conventions used there. thank you.

 However, may I ask what your reason for choosing XHTML is?  If you're
 simply looking for a good reference for elements and their content
 models, the index of elements in HTML4 is more suitable for most authors.

 http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/elements.html

 Although is a useful list, it's not good for what I pointed: knowing
what can go inside what. Like can I put a Heading tag inside a DT?
(no) , or can a put an A here in the BODY ? (no , you can't). Does
anyone have any suggestion ? Might be some page outside W3C (since the
standards move quite slowly, i may use them for a few years :)

 Yes, it would be.  There is no h element in XHTML 1.x.
of course not,  but it could be used as an alias for a heading tag , like Hx .

Thank you, lachlan
Spark!

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Re: [WSG] best way to style addresses

2005-12-22 Thread Christopher Townson

tee wrote:

Hi there,

I am working on a page that involves with hundred of address in  
different locations/cities. What is the best way to do?

unordered list,  definition list  or  table data?



how about this: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard ?

Chris

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Re: [WSG] xhtml DTD

2005-12-22 Thread Bert Doorn

Spark wrote:


http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/elements.html

 Although is a useful list, it's not good for what I pointed: knowing
what can go inside what. Like can I put a Heading tag inside a DT?
(no) , or can a put an A here in the BODY ? (no , you can't). Does
anyone have any suggestion ? Might be some page outside W3C (since the
standards move quite slowly, i may use them for a few years :)


http://www.zvon.org/xxl/xhtmlReference/Output/index.html

Or the download version:

http://www.zvon.org/download2.php/xhtmlReference?title=XHTML+Reference


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[WSG] Site Check Please (Clattco)

2005-12-22 Thread Jay Gilmore

Hello All,

I would like to know if I have made any huge gaffes with this site 
(http://www.smashingred.com/clientspace/clattco/). Nearly complete and 
just requires copywriting completion.


Specifically the following are of interest:

Rendering on mac in Safari and IE,
Usability,
Mistakes I may have made out of ignorance,
Issues of semantics etc, and
Accessibility (not required by client but I want to get better at this).

All opinions are welcome. If there are mistakes out of ignorance please 
point me to a reference for correction.


Sincerely,

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Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-22 Thread Leslie Riggs
You see, THAT is the best thing I learnt in 2005 - that there are always 
more things to learn!


Just getting my toes wet in microformats, and understanding a bit more 
about XHTML...


Leslie Riggs


Christopher,


+ getting into microformats



I guess I missed something along the way. Where can I find out more  
about this?


Bob



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[WSG] Mac FF hidden div still shows scrollbars

2005-12-22 Thread Thomas Livingston

Hi listers,

We have a div being hidden (visibility:hidden;) and then using  
javascript to show hide layers (sort of a pop-up but not sorta thing).


If we give it a height and apply overflow:scroll; (or auto) it looks  
and works dandy, except for Mac FF (1.5). We are still seeing the  
div's scroll bars when in it's hidden state.


Anyone come across this before and fix it?

Sorry no link... NDA and all... can post snippets if needed.

TIA

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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Clattco)

2005-12-22 Thread Kenny Graham
With larger text sizes, your sidebar headings become white on white. 
I'd suggest vertically expanding that background image, or setting a
similar background color along with the image.  That and a few things
like empty paragraph elements and stray /div on some of the pages.

Last (and probably least), a future-proofing warning:  If you ever
decide to serve that site as xhtml instead of text/html, it'll break
because of the content of your style elements.
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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Clattco)

2005-12-22 Thread Kenny Graham
 Last (and probably least), a future-proofing warning:  If you ever
 decide to serve that site as xhtml instead of text/html, it'll break
 because of the content of your style elements.

Nevermind, it might not.  I've become so paranoid that I tend to
enclose any non-xml/html in cdata's because I serve as xml, but in
your case, I don't think it'd break.
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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Clattco)

2005-12-22 Thread Jay Gilmore



Kenny Graham (thoughtfully) wrote:

With larger text sizes, your sidebar headings become white on white. 
I'd suggest vertically expanding that background image, or setting a

similar background color along with the image.  That and a few things
like empty paragraph elements and stray /div on some of the pages.
 

Thanks for that. I will be shortening the title for the See What Our 
Clients Are Saying heading but increasing the size of the background 
image is a great idea as well. Thanks. I know that there are some empty 
p /p  elements as I am still placing copy. Just wanted to ask for 
opinions and suggestions at this stage.


Thanks for the help and all the best,

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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Clattco)

2005-12-22 Thread Felix Miata
Jay Gilmore wrote:
 
 I would like to know if I have made any huge gaffes with this site
 (http://www.smashingred.com/clientspace/clattco/). Nearly complete and
 just requires copywriting completion.
 
 All opinions are welcome. If there are mistakes out of ignorance please
 point me to a reference for correction.

http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/jayg1.jpg Linux/Epiphany/Gecko

Look at http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/line-height-inherit.html to
see how to fix your line-height problem. See
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/widths-em-v-px.html
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/fflinelength.html and
http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/Sites/dlviolin.html for how to
address your problem of extreme narrowness/too short line lengths.
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Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-22 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun

designer wrote:
Most important thing I learned was that XHTML is just 'tag soup' 
unless you serve it properly. (application/xhtml+xml).


XHTML makes good soup... :-) ...when it _is_ XHTML.

In consequence, the worst thing was finding that I had to have a 
radical rethink about my approach to producing web pages . . .


One of the things I found out in 2005 was that I didn't have to change
the basic 'real xhtml' procedures I came up with in 2002.
Now I have hopes that I may actually be able to use them _as I want to_
- on the web - before writing 2010.

Merry Christmas to all.

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Re: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-22 Thread Christian Montoya
Best thing I learned in 2005: CSS.

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Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Clattco)

2005-12-22 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/22/05, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello All,

 I would like to know if I have made any huge gaffes with this site
 (http://www.smashingred.com/clientspace/clattco/).

On this page: http://www.smashingred.com/clientspace/clattco/renovations/

the last photo is overlapped by the text above it in Mozilla 1.7 /
Win. Not sure what it is but looks like a float problem?
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RE: [WSG] Best Web Standards thing I learnt in 2005.

2005-12-22 Thread kvnmcwebn


btw George
Hey thanks for all your help over the last year.

The first time i tried to build a site with ws i got so frustrated I shelved
it for 6 months. Now because of this list i am comfortable creating fixed
width layouts and can mark up any design i can come up with.
whats more
I can honestly say that my knowlege of standards, such as it is, is starting
to generate SUBSTANTIAL business for me.

My ws goal in 2006 is to become comfortable with liquid layouts an maybe
even start using ems instead of px.

nollaig seona duith
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Re: [WSG] Mac FF hidden div still shows scrollbars

2005-12-22 Thread Christian Montoya
On 12/22/05, Thomas Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi listers,

 We have a div being hidden (visibility:hidden;) and then using
 javascript to show hide layers (sort of a pop-up but not sorta thing).

 If we give it a height and apply overflow:scroll; (or auto) it looks
 and works dandy, except for Mac FF (1.5). We are still seeing the
 div's scroll bars when in it's hidden state.

 Anyone come across this before and fix it?

No, but did you set the overflow to hidden on the hide state?

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Re: [WSG] Mac FF hidden div still shows scrollbars

2005-12-22 Thread Ben Curtis


On 12/22/05, Thomas Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi listers,

We have a div being hidden (visibility:hidden;) and then using
javascript to show hide layers (sort of a pop-up but not sorta thing).

If we give it a height and apply overflow:scroll; (or auto) it looks
and works dandy, except for Mac FF (1.5). We are still seeing the
div's scroll bars when in it's hidden state.

Anyone come across this before and fix it?



I've seen other evidence that Mac browsers that call the OS for  
elements (scrollbars, buttons, etc.) have trouble with changing styles.


One thing you might try is to have the javascript change the class,  
instead of changing a style attribute. This also helps because you  
just style the two states of the div however you please, and the  
javascript never needs to change.


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Re: [WSG] Mac FF hidden div still shows scrollbars

2005-12-22 Thread Joshua Street
Maybe use opacity:0 instead? More rules to cater for different
browsers, but might work more reliably... maybe...?

On 12/23/05, Ben Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 12/22/05, Thomas Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi listers,
 
  We have a div being hidden (visibility:hidden;) and then using
  javascript to show hide layers (sort of a pop-up but not sorta thing).
 
  If we give it a height and apply overflow:scroll; (or auto) it looks
  and works dandy, except for Mac FF (1.5). We are still seeing the
  div's scroll bars when in it's hidden state.
 
  Anyone come across this before and fix it?


 I've seen other evidence that Mac browsers that call the OS for
 elements (scrollbars, buttons, etc.) have trouble with changing styles.

 One thing you might try is to have the javascript change the class,
 instead of changing a style attribute. This also helps because you
 just style the two states of the div however you please, and the
 javascript never needs to change.

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[WSG] Vacation messages

2005-12-22 Thread Peter Firminger
Folks,

If you are going away and need to set a vacation message, please remember to 
log into the WSG site and take yourself off the WSG and CMS mailing lists 
until you return. Otherwise each person that sends mail to the list gets your 
vacation message and in some cases they go to the list.

As an incentive, I'll be deleting memberships that have set vacation messages 
without suspending themselves from the list(s). It's a self-serve system. 
Please don't write asking us to manage your membership for you.

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Re: [WSG] Mac FF hidden div still shows scrollbars

2005-12-22 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh


On 23 Dec 2005, at 3:21 am, Thomas Livingston wrote:


Hi listers,

We have a div being hidden (visibility:hidden;) and then using  
javascript to show hide layers (sort of a pop-up but not sorta thing).


If we give it a height and apply overflow:scroll; (or auto) it  
looks and works dandy, except for Mac FF (1.5). We are still seeing  
the div's scroll bars when in it's hidden state.


Anyone come across this before and fix it?


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=187435

Try display:none, if that fits in your design.

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