Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Jixor - Stephen I
Just a note that most users don't know that you can use enter to submit. Brian Duchek wrote: You're gonna shoot yourself in the foot if you go one step further without diving as deep as possible into answering the question "why does he want this?" If you're making something that looks like a we

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Jixor - Stephen I
Nick, Data-centric applications also usually allow you to use the arrow keys to navigate around a form, this behavior could fairly easily be replicated with a bit of careful planning. I don't think that Access forms support that but it would be a nice exchange, loose the enter in exchange for

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Nick Roper
Very many thanks indeed to everyone who has contributed to this thread, and to Nick F and others who have contributed examples. I have a meeting with the client next week and will make sure that the various points that have been raised are discussed and considered before making any decisions.

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 27 Feb 2007, at 18:49:34, Nick Roper wrote: Just to clarify things a bit, this is indeed and intra/extranet based application. In fact the project is to convert an existing Access database application to a web-based PHP/MySQL application that can be accessed remotely via a secure login.

RE: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Chris Williams
At the risk of taking this completely OT, I might ask those of you who are incredulous of the use of the enter key to move between fields to take a look at the number keypad way over on the right hand side of a full-sized keyboard. Notice the "enter" key there? Imagine yourself keying in numbers

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Andrew Maben
This is actually the kind of scenario I expected you to describe (and I didn't mean to sound as snide as my "fascinated" comment looks). It would seem to turn on the client's/users preferences and expectations. If as Chris notes "users may NEVER use the browser/ computer for anything other t

Re: [WSG] some simple box problems

2007-02-27 Thread ~davidLaakso
kevin mcmonagle wrote: David and lindsay, Thanks for the advice on clearing the floats. Can you check that this layout holds up in ie 6 now? In reference to your uri: As far as I can tell, you only cleared the float. The page is still broken in ie6, ie/7, ff,

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Brian Duchek
You're gonna shoot yourself in the foot if you go one step further without diving as deep as possible into answering the question "why does he want this?" If you're making something that looks like a web form on a web page to be accessed by web users, then it's pretty clearly folley - a short tes

RE: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Chris Williams
It's not my client... it is Nick's. I'm just saying that for decades, heavy data entry programs have used enter to move between fields, and yes, shift-enter to move back. If they are converting an existing app to use a browser, the client may well prefer to change the app, not the 100 users... w

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Nick Roper
Many thanks to all for the feedback so far. The general consensus certainly seems to be that use of the Enter key is not a good idea, and I totally accept the reasons put forward. Just to clarify things a bit, this is indeed and intra/extranet based application. In fact the project is to conve

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Christian Montoya
On 2/27/07, Chris Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How about the fact that many data entry programs use enter to move between fields? It is actually quite common in very heavy data-centric applications. Yes, but the convention in browsers is still to use the tab key. Besides, in browsers

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Chris Williams
How about the fact that many data entry programs use enter to move between fields? It is actually quite common in very heavy data-centric applications. From: Andrew Maben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields But perhaps your customer has some c

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Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Anders Nawroth
Hi! Nick Roper: A customer has requested that they should be able to navigate between input fields on a form by using the Enter key - i.e. to replicate the action of the Tab key. If your customer wants to avoid that users submit the form by mistake by pressing the Enter key, you could add a

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Andrew Maben
Nick Roper wrote: Hi, A customer has requested that they should be able to navigate between input fields on a form by using the Enter key - i.e. to replicate the action of the Tab key. I've seen examples of Javascript code to do this, but I'd be interested in any feedback on whether there a

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Anders Nawroth
Hi! Nick Fitzsimons: I would say that the main issue is that the Enter key is used to submit a form. When I fill in a form, I usually Tab from field to field and, when at the end, hit Enter to submit it. There's no way I would be pleased to find the expected behaviour was broken. The implicati

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 27 Feb 2007, at 12:38:19, Nick Roper wrote: Hi, A customer has requested that they should be able to navigate between input fields on a form by using the Enter key - i.e. to replicate the action of the Tab key. I've seen examples of Javascript code to do this, but I'd be interested i

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Barney Carroll
Nick Roper wrote: Hi, A customer has requested that they should be able to navigate between input fields on a form by using the Enter key - i.e. to replicate the action of the Tab key. I've seen examples of Javascript code to do this, but I'd be interested in any feedback on whether there a

Re: [WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Darren West
I would advise your client against this behaviour as it will not only cause user confusion but also conflicts with the default behaviour of the form. Darren On 27/02/07, Nick Roper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, A customer has requested that they should be able to navigate between input field

[WSG] Use of Enter key to naviagte between form fields

2007-02-27 Thread Nick Roper
Hi, A customer has requested that they should be able to navigate between input fields on a form by using the Enter key - i.e. to replicate the action of the Tab key. I've seen examples of Javascript code to do this, but I'd be interested in any feedback on whether there are any issues with

Re: [WSG] some simple box problems

2007-02-27 Thread kevin mcmonagle
David and lindsay, Thanks for the advice on clearing the floats. Can you check that this layout holds up in ie 6 now? ~davidLaakso wrote: > The problem that may need to be addressed is that the page is brittle. Font-scaling will expand the > nav and drop the float. Yeah i will have to a

Re: [WSG] css mark up for creating table dynamically?

2007-02-27 Thread Blake
On 2/27/07, kevin zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm creating my table dynamically - for instance, using ASP.NET tech to pull data from a database.Question is how can i use css to mark up my table? any idea? Why is the back-end relevant? The mark-up is still a table when the browser receives

[WSG] css mark up for creating table dynamically?

2007-02-27 Thread kevin zhang
hi all, I'm creating my table dynamically - for instance, using ASP.NET tech to pull data from a database.Question is how can i use css to mark up my table? any idea? thanks kevin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.