Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js, document.submit IE

2007-03-05 Thread Kenny Graham
To improve the look of it for the client I have added some javascript which hides the buttons and uses onclick events on the labels so that the submit button doesn't need to be clicked. I've done something somewhat similar recently, and found this was finally an excuse to use the noscript

Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js, document.submit IE

2007-03-05 Thread Chris Price
Kenny Graham wrote: To improve the look of it for the client I have added some javascript which hides the buttons and uses onclick events on the labels so that the submit button doesn't need to be clicked. I've done something somewhat similar recently, and found this was finally an excuse to

Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js, document.submit IE

2007-03-05 Thread James Denholm-Price
Hi Chris, Perhaps your question is more suited to a JS/DOM list/blog (e.g. evolt.orgor others [1]) than WSG? More JS-type guys there, but I'll give it a go: An example page would be helpful (I've mocked-up a quickie at [2])... but I wonder if the probem is your assumed DOM structure? On

Re: [WSG] unobtrusive js, document.submit IE

2007-03-05 Thread Chris Price
James Denholm-Price wrote: inputs[i].style.display = 'none' hides the input element but the next line: inputs[i].onclick = function() { submitform(); return false } attaches an onclick event handler to the (now hidden) element -- it's possible that IE does not honour the label relationship

[WSG] noscript

2007-03-05 Thread Bob Schwartz
What are currently accepted practices for using noscript for serving content to those with js turned off? In particular I'm talking about eye candy things on a web page that do not take away from the content if the non js visitor is served a static equivalent as opposed to a you need js to

Re: [WSG] noscript

2007-03-05 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 5 Mar 2007, at 13:52:35, Bob Schwartz wrote: What are currently accepted practices for using noscript for serving content to those with js turned off? In particular I'm talking about eye candy things on a web page that do not take away from the content if the non js visitor is served

Re: [WSG] noscript

2007-03-05 Thread Ian Pouncey
Bob Schwartz wrote: What are currently accepted practices for using serving content to those with js turned off? In particular I'm talking about eye candy things on a web page that do not take away from the content if the non js visitor is served a static equivalent as opposed to a you need js

Re: [WSG] noscript

2007-03-05 Thread Bob Schwartz
Nick, Ian, Like this: function copy() { var container = document.getElementById(copy) var oldtext = document.getElementById(copy1) var text = (\251 + (new Date()).getFullYear() + F\351d \351ration Internationale F\351line); var p = document.createElement(p);

Re: [WSG] noscript

2007-03-05 Thread Kenny Graham
Best practice would be to avoid noscript where at all possible. Start by assuming that the user does not have JavaScript enabled, so that the simple version is part of the content, then use JavaScript to hide or modify this to show your enhanced version. I'm curious if you'd (both singular and

Re: [WSG] noscript

2007-03-05 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 5 Mar 2007, at 17:35:22, Kenny Graham wrote: Best practice would be to avoid noscript where at all possible. Start by assuming that the user does not have JavaScript enabled, so that the simple version is part of the content, then use JavaScript to hide or modify this to show your

Re: [WSG] noscript

2007-03-05 Thread Ian Pouncey
Bob Schwartz wrote: Nick, Ian, Like this: function copy() { var container = document.getElementById(copy) var oldtext = document.getElementById(copy1) var text = (\251 + (new Date()).getFullYear() + F\351d \351ration Internationale F\351line); var p =

[WSG] Screen reader friendly show/hide dhtml

2007-03-05 Thread Rebecca Cox
Hi all, I've got a couple of questions regarding DHTML and how to ensure content is accessible usable via screen reader. Say you have a web page with a link to Subscribe to updates - when the user hovers on the link, a form would be displayed below (standard dhtml show/hide). The form would

RE: [WSG] Screen reader friendly show/hide dhtml

2007-03-05 Thread Steve Green
It is difficult to give a definitive opinion without seeing your implementation but I have never seen a design of this kind that was accessible to a screen reader if the content was displayed on hover. I doubt that displaying it on focus would work either. JAWS (and some other screen readers)

[WSG] Pub Standards AU

2007-03-05 Thread Gary Stidston-Broadbent
We are holding a Pubstandards in Melbourne on the 7th March 18:30 at The Sherlock Holmes Inn on Collins Street. For all those who dont know what Pub Standards is, Please visit the London Pubstandards website at http://www.pubstandards.co.uk If you are interested in coming along to the pub to

Re: [WSG] Screen reader friendly show/hide dhtml

2007-03-05 Thread Joseph R. B. Taylor
Here's the rule of thumb concerning screen readers and hidden content: Start with it in place from the beginning, then hide it with javascript once you run some tests to make sure it works (ie event handlers etc) That way you are safe. Trying to create this interactivity with a screenreader

Re: [WSG] It's times like this you remember how far you've come

2007-03-05 Thread Ben Buchanan
I have the task of writing the database/dynamic stuff behind an e-commerce site. The design work and static pages are done by a professional design web dev house in Brisbane, and yesterday I got hold of their work. My job now is to merge their stuff with the shopping cart and other components

[WSG] New Project - Feedback Appreciated

2007-03-05 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
Hi all, We have recently unveiled a new project on all things green, eco-friendly and organic: http://geofeat.com/ I would really appreciate feedback on issues related to standards, usability and accessibility. This is an ongoing project, and there are a number of things I have yet to implement

Re: [WSG] New Project - Feedback Appreciated

2007-03-05 Thread John Faulds
I think it looks great! Just a couple of things I noticed: 1. Your ordered lists could do with the text being indented rather than wrapping under the number. 2. Your directory top 10 links don't change bg-color when they receive :focus 3. Your main nav links don't change on :focus like they

Re: [WSG] New Project - Feedback Appreciated

2007-03-05 Thread Jermayn Parker
I like the clean layout but to be honest when I read your description I was thinking I wuld see more green seeing its a 'greeny' website nothing like green for the corporate ID On 3/6/07, Sarah Peeke (XERT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, We have recently unveiled a new project on all

Re: [WSG] New Project - Feedback Appreciated

2007-03-05 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
Fantastic work, Sarah. My only comment is that I'd put your rounded corners in spans instead of divs. Seems like it'd be more semantic. Being they're just holding images and not really divisions. Respectfully, Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com/ - Original Message - From: Sarah

Re: [WSG] New Project - Feedback Appreciated

2007-03-05 Thread ~davidLaakso
Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: We have recently unveiled a new project on all things green, eco-friendly and organic: http://geofeat.com/ I would really appreciate feedback on issues related to standards, usability and accessibility. Sarah :) Quick look in XP, Sarah. Doing well in