RE: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata
The Samurai Errata have no official status so there are no certificates or
validators. They have authority tone because that's Joe Clark's style, not
because they have any authority. They are some good ideas written by some
clever people (or one clever person if you believe some of the theories).
I suspect they are hoping that the W3C adopt the Errata, which would be a
good thing in my opinion. If they do not, I suspect the Errata will have
about zero uptake in the commercial world. It's hard enough to explain the
need for accessibility without explaining that you're going to ignore the
only globally accepted set of guidelines in favour of an unofficial set
written by a self-appointed group of people, all but one of whom are
unknown.
I have submitted my comments to the Samurai, and they can be seen at
http://www.accessibility.co.uk/wcag_samurai_errata.htm
The process for commenting is a bit shambolic, and it is not clear that
comments are particularly welcome. There is no stated process, so people
have been commenting in various places in the blogs of the two peer
reviewers so they are very fragmented.
Steve
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Subject: Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata
On Jun 7, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Kane Tapping wrote:
I have been reading with interest the WCAG Samurai Errata ( http://
wcagsamurai.org/errata/intro.html ) and am suprised to have not found
it discussed on WSG as of yet.
Hi, I finally got a chance to read the WCAG Samurai Errata. Maybe
something to do with my understanding in English, I see there is
autority tone in there. Overall impression is it's a good thing, it
seems the standard is higher (maybe it was because I am always so
confused with the WCAG ambiguous used of language thus never able to
fully understand) in claiming an accessible site.
Curious, is there an entity to issue certificate or safegaurd what
sites can really claim to be WCAG Samurai Errata compliance? Will the
validators be update to cater for Samurai Errata? Or just our
judegement with human eyes and best parctise be the call?
Lastly, I did not aware we can do this ? Did a brief reading in CSS 3
spec and I tried testing it in Safari, Firefox and Opera (thought
one of the browsers has already supported some of CSS3 elements) but
none of them work.
If images must be used for list bullets, do so only using CSS, as
with ul { list-style: url(arrow.gif) disc }
tee
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[WSG] resizing text via graphics/text?
Good Morning/afternoon/evening, Further to recent discussions on text size, and in particular, using graphics sized in ems so that they resize, I've pondered the use of graphical text when wanting to use an uncommon font. So, I put a heading into a simple graphic (using the required text), but I've noticed that when the font is a thin, light font (sometimes called 'spidery'), the quality falls through the floor on enlargement when sized in ems. However, if the heading using the font is produced in Flash, the quality is maintained when resizing. You can see an example, comparing 3 approaches ( flash, graphics in ems and graphics in pixels) here: http://www.marscovista.fsnet.co.uk/newtemplate/flashtext.htm I dare say this is nothing new, but I'd like to know if there are any (simple) improvements to be made to the approach I've used, and I'd be grateful for any useful comments. Many thanks, -- Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] resizing text via graphics/text?
Designer wrote: Good Morning/afternoon/evening, Further to recent discussions on text size, and in particular, using graphics sized in ems so that they resize, I've pondered the use of graphical text when wanting to use an uncommon font. So, I put a heading into a simple graphic (using the required text), but I've noticed that when the font is a thin, light font (sometimes called 'spidery'), the quality falls through the floor on enlargement when sized in ems. However, if the heading using the font is produced in Flash, the quality is maintained when resizing. You can see an example, comparing 3 approaches ( flash, graphics in ems and graphics in pixels) here: http://www.marscovista.fsnet.co.uk/newtemplate/flashtext.htm I dare say this is nothing new, but I'd like to know if there are any (simple) improvements to be made to the approach I've used, and I'd be grateful for any useful comments. Many thanks, Hello, being able to resize the flash text is pretty sweet. I don't know if you've ever seen sifr (http://www.mikeindustries.com/sifr/) but it's a well put together accessible solution for putting nice anti-aliased fonts on a page. If you can extend it to be re-sizable too it would be perfect. All the best, Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata
Steve Green wrote: The process for commenting is a bit shambolic, and it is not clear that comments are particularly welcome. There is no stated process, so people have been commenting in various places in the blogs If you check the various blogs, you'll see Joe has been following them closely (probably via technorati), and he will take in comments by email as well (his name @joeclark.org). I've also been looking through things, and will post some more comments on the reviewsamurai blog. Cheers, -Alastair *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] resizing text via graphics/text?
Robert O'Rourke schreef: Hello, being able to resize the flash text is pretty sweet. I don't know if you've ever seen sifr (http://www.mikeindustries.com/sifr/) but it's a well put together accessible solution for putting nice anti-aliased fonts on a page. If you can extend it to be re-sizable too it would be perfect. If I'm correct sIFR does resize, but only after a refresh. There is an aspect of sIFR though that makes it potentially not accessible at all (unless they've fixed it recently). On some computers Quicktime player is set to act as the default Flash player. This can cause problems as it does not return the correct version number or something like that. Therefore it may pass the sIFR support tests although it does not support the required features for sIFR. If so, the headers will not be replaced by their pimped Flash version, but by the broken Q-icons that Quicktime likes to show when things go bad. Unless your headers were all 'Q' this is defenitely not what you want. As I said, I don't know whether this is fixed already or what the percentages are of users that have Quicktime as their main Flash player. I assume this potentially only affects a tiny fraction of the people on the web, but perhaps we'll never really know as it seems very hard to detect. cheers, Sander *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] WCAG Samurai Errata
Oops, Joe's just posted the comments email address: samurai at the domain wcagsamurai.org Apologies, -Alastair *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] resizing text via graphics/text?
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:36:11 +0100, Designer wrote: Good Morning/afternoon/evening, Further to recent discussions on text size, and in particular, using graphics sized in ems so that they resize, I've pondered the use of graphical text when wanting to use an uncommon font. So, I put a heading into a simple graphic (using the required text), but I've noticed that when the font is a thin, light font (sometimes called 'spidery'), the quality falls through the floor on enlargement when sized in ems. However, if the heading using the font is produced in Flash, the quality is maintained when resizing. You can see an example, comparing 3 approaches ( flash, graphics in ems and graphics in pixels) here: http://www.marscovista.fsnet.co.uk/newtemplate/flashtext.htm Sweet. It falls back to an image if Flash is disabled, even in IE! 8-O Now if only it increased with font size in IE... Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] I need to ask a non-web design question from Aussie
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[WSG] Safari now on Windows
This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Just left a comment about this on 456 Berea St - seems to be working OK for me although other Windows users seem to find it pretty much unusable. On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:26:24 +1000, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
I recommend it to all those developers that are stuck in a Windows environment - I have already fixed a few bugs I would have had to use my bosses Mac to find! My only concern is that at the moment, I can get away with It might not look 100% in Safari, but it still works... With Safari on Iphone, something which is almost guaranteed to be a raging success, I'm pretty sure I wont be able to use that defense forever. On 6/12/07, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
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Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
I recommend it to all those developers that are stuck in a Windows environment - I have already fixed a few bugs I would have had to use my bosses Mac to find! My only concern is that at the moment, I can get away with It might not look 100% in Safari, but it still works... With Safari on Iphone, something which is almost guaranteed to be a raging success, I'm pretty sure I wont be able to use that defense forever. I bought a second-hand Mac G4 from a friend last year so I could test with Mac browsers. On most things I checked I did not see much difference in the rendering of pages in Safari compared to Firefox... I normally have much more trouble with IE. iPhone might be a different thing altogether .. just because a page renders nicely in Safari on a desktop machine doesn't necessarely mean it is going to be very usable on a tiny screen! (I haven't yet seen an iPhone but I assume the screen would be small like a mobile phone screen...?) Speaking of Mac browsers - a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine) now that is something to think about! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine) now that is something to think about! Ah, nothing like a good bit of hardware AND software lock-in to make the user smile *ducks* *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
-- Lucien Stals Multimedia/Web Developer Academic Development and Support Swinburne University of Technology PO Box 218 Hawthorn, 3122, Australia email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] telephone: +61 3 9214 4474 office: AD223 On 12/06/2007 at 12:21 pm, Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iPhone might be a different thing altogether .. just because a page renders nicely in Safari on a desktop machine doesn't necessarely mean it is going to be very usable on a tiny screen! (I haven't yet seen an iPhone but I assume the screen would be small like a mobile phone screen...?) I think the price alone will keep uptake slow and low. Speaking of Mac browsers - a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine) now that is something to think about! MS no longer support IE for Mac. Even the MS web site recommend people switch to safari (for Mac). I wonder what they will say now a Win version is available. You friend is caught in a marketing trap :( *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Swinburne University of Technology CRICOS Provider Code: 00111D NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended only for the use of the addressee. They may contain information that is privileged or protected by copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, distribution, printing, copying or use is strictly prohibited. The University does not warrant that this e-mail and any attachments are secure and there is also a risk that it may be corrupted in transmission. It is your responsibility to check any attachments for viruses or defects before opening them. If you have received this transmission in error, please contact us on +61 3 9214 8000 and delete it immediately from your system. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. Please consider the environment before printing this email. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 X-GWTYPE:USER FN:Lucien Stals TEL;WORK:4474 ORG:;Academic Development and Support EMAIL;WORK;PREF;NGW:[EMAIL PROTECTED] N:Stals;Lucien END:VCARD *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
I normally use the university macs for testing, the scary thing is they still have IE 5.5 as the default browser *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Michael MD wrote: Speaking of Mac browsers - a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine) now that is something to think about! I ran into this problem a year or two ago, and the local sys admin explained that my best bet would probably be to use Netscape for Mac OS 9 instead. I ended up installing IE, Netscape and iCab and then switched back and forth depending on which site would work with which browser. It looks like you can actually get Netscape 7.02 for OS 9 (Mac PowerPC), which, while buggy, would still probably be better than IE5 in most cases: http://browser.netscape.com/downloads/archive/ Phil. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Main problem I have with safari is on win xp sp2 none of the fonts it wants to use render at all. Makes life very interesting. It would be nice if there was a way of reporting the bugs you get. At present there appears not to be a way of doing this. Its fine on the Mac -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com John Faulds wrote: Just left a comment about this on 456 Berea St - seems to be working OK for me although other Windows users seem to find it pretty much unusable. On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:26:24 +1000, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
On the tool bar there is a big bug button, try that. :) Jake On 12/6/2007, Gary Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Main problem I have with safari is on win xp sp2 none of the fonts it wants to use render at all. Makes life very interesting. It would be nice if there was a way of reporting the bugs you get. At present there appears not to be a way of doing this. Its fine on the Mac -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com John Faulds wrote: Just left a comment about this on 456 Berea St - seems to be working OK for me although other Windows users seem to find it pretty much unusable. On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:26:24 +1000, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
On 2007/06/12 12:21 (GMT+1000) Michael MD apparently typed: http://www.apple.com/safari/ Speaking of Mac browsers - a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine) now that is something to think about! If all you use it for is running Safari or IE5 or Camino, a G3 is way more than plenty fast enough to run OS X. I have one, and it doesn't seem at all slow with 4 browsers open at once compared to W2K at 50% higher MHz. Just make sure it has plenty RAM, at least double a measly 128M. -- Respect everyone. I Peter 2:17 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Michael MD wrote: Speaking of Mac browsers - a friend called me on the weekend and said he can't find anything newer than IE5 for OS9 but won't upgrade to OSX because it would be way too slow on his G3. (and he doesn't have the money to buy a new machine) now that is something to think about! Speaks volumes for the longevity of Macs, if you ask me. It's equivalent to saying, 'I can only run IE 4.x because I only have a 386 (486? What do I know?) processor and Win 95.' Or whatever. How many 386/486 machines do you still see out there? Tell your friend he should be able to run Netscape 7 without too much fuss. Cameron Singe wrote: I normally use the university macs for testing, the scary thing is they still have IE 5.5 as the default browser Nope. IE for Mac stopped at 5.2.3 - and don't make the mistake of comparing IE 5.x/Mac with IE5.x/Win. They're completely different programs; they just happen to have similar names. Felix Miata wrote: If all you use it for is running Safari or IE5 or Camino, a G3 is way more than plenty fast enough to run OS X. Yes, but Michael didn't say his friend was 'just' looking to use a browser. I got the impression he's still using his G3 for all his computing needs. There again, at least you can dual boot a G3. Stiil a pain to have to reboot just to surf the web... N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
On 2007/06/12 14:40 (GMT+1000) Nick Gleitzman apparently typed: Felix Miata wrote: If all you use it for is running Safari or IE5 or Camino, a G3 is way more than plenty fast enough to run OS X. Yes, but Michael didn't say his friend was 'just' looking to use a browser. I got the impression he's still using his G3 for all his computing needs. My point was that a 20th century G3 is perfectly adequate for a web developer on a limited hardware budget to use for Mac testing his web design work. Puters with GHz+ processor speeds simply aren't necessary to use web browsers and their plugins. -- Respect everyone. I Peter 2:17 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Press that and it hangs.. a bug activating a bug reporting tool, sweet! I know its beta, but at least apple could have a link to an online bug reporter.. -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com Jake Badger wrote: On the tool bar there is a big bug button, try that. :) Jake On 12/6/2007, Gary Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Main problem I have with safari is on win xp sp2 none of the fonts it wants to use render at all. Makes life very interesting. It would be nice if there was a way of reporting the bugs you get. At present there appears not to be a way of doing this. Its fine on the Mac -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com John Faulds wrote: Just left a comment about this on 456 Berea St - seems to be working OK for me although other Windows users seem to find it pretty much unusable. On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:26:24 +1000, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
It took a while, but it worked for me. Not that I'm claiming it's not buggy as anything. On 12/6/2007, Gary Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Press that and it hangs.. a bug activating a bug reporting tool, sweet! I know its beta, but at least apple could have a link to an online bug reporter.. -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com Jake Badger wrote: On the tool bar there is a big bug button, try that. :) Jake On 12/6/2007, Gary Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Main problem I have with safari is on win xp sp2 none of the fonts it wants to use render at all. Makes life very interesting. It would be nice if there was a way of reporting the bugs you get. At present there appears not to be a way of doing this. Its fine on the Mac -- Gary Barber Blog - http:/manwithnoblog.com John Faulds wrote: Just left a comment about this on 456 Berea St - seems to be working OK for me although other Windows users seem to find it pretty much unusable. On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:26:24 +1000, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be interesting... Safari 3 Public Beta: http://www.apple.com/safari/ == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
iPhone might be a different thing altogether .. just because a page renders nicely in Safari on a desktop machine doesn't necessarely mean it is going to be very usable on a tiny screen! (I haven't yet seen an iPhone but I assume the screen would be small like a mobile phone screen...?) Point taken, however I am not just referring to visual appearance. More interested in functionality differences for web applications (AJAX and Javascript in general). I think Apples approach with the safari on the iphone is that it will work the same on all platforms, even XP/Vista now too. That 'hopefully' means that developing with testing for Safari in the present, *should* mean that it will just works on the iphone in the future... Just have to wait and see if that happens or not I guess. If you ask me, I think that the Iphone is probably the major reason for porting Safari to Windows in the first place. Developers will have less excuses not to develop sites capable of running on the latest apple gadget. If more sites work, more people will like the iphone and it will sell better. Im certainly in no hurry to pick one up - even knowing its going to be a few years before it gets off the ground here in Australia. Karl *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Safari now on Windows
Speaks volumes for the longevity of Macs, if you ask me. It's equivalent to saying, 'I can only run IE 4.x because I only have a 386 (486? What do I know?) processor and Win 95.' Or whatever. win95 on a 386 - forget it! you are probably talking about win3.1 :-) I had a 386 in the early 90s my first web pages were created using qEdit (dos text editor) and to see them I had to upload them to the server and use lynx to view them - with 2MB RAM I could not use Mosaic or Netscape1.1 and Arachne (home.arachne.cz) did not exist yet , which is why I didn't use images on anything until I got a pentium in about 1995 - lynx was for me the browser of choice for about 2 years! How many 386/486 machines do you still see out there? probably not many in this part of the world ... but elsewhere who knows? You still see heaps of Russian fidonet discussions gated to usenet... so who knows what people might still be using in that part of the world! regarding the friend using OS9... I think there may be other reasons he won't upgrade - such as other software he uses. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
