Hi,
Thanks for your replies on this. I'd embedded the movie in the way Tim
described -- I was thinking more along the lines of what you would do
when you use this method to deal with the inevitable messages you get
when you don't have the plugin installed. You'd get round this with a
detection
Hi All,
Just a quick question and please pardon my ignorance..
If the global site navigation on a page is marked up below the content, and
then floated left (or right) to bring it visually next to the content in a
two column manner, is it good practice to include a Skip to Content link as
part
Hi,
I'd still include the link (as the first link on the page) as I
imagine you're still going to have other browser content before you
get to your page's main content (headers, logos etc.) -- unless you
want users of screenreaders to have to sit through that for every
page.
I'd say anything
Pete Ottery wrote:
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someone out there on the list must have been involved :) surely
give us the goss about how it went/is going. congrats
Indeed, it would be nice to hear a bit more from the folks involved at the ABC.
But before we sing too many praises... when I
Thanks David, much appreciate your feedback. That's exactly what I thought,
but I'm not inclined to assume anything.
As you mention, I'm experimenting with moving the skip to content link off
screen with a margin-left of -em, leaving its markup intact just above
the floated global nav div.
On 28 Jun 2007, at 6:50 PM, Frank Palinkas wrote:
If the global site navigation on a page is marked up below the
content...
Hang on - if your nav is *below* the content, wouldn't the link be
better as 'skip to navigation'?
N
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On 28/06/2007, at 7:34 PM, Frank Palinkas wrote:
Thanks David, much appreciate your feedback. That's exactly what I
thought,
but I'm not inclined to assume anything.
As you mention, I'm experimenting with moving the skip to content
link off
screen with a margin-left of -em, leaving its
Is it not possible to place the navigation near to the top of your Source
Code and position the navigation
using CSS? That whay people who cannot use CSS will have the navigation at
the top.
Source Order is important for this very reason.
There may be a reason to why you can't do it, but from
What about people using screen magnification? Wouldn't it be beneficial
to them to have the skip to... links available at the upper left-hand
corner of the screen?
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On 28 Jun 2007, at 10:34, Frank Palinkas wrote:
As you mention, I'm experimenting with moving the skip to content
link off
screen with a margin-left of -em, leaving its markup intact
just above
the floated global nav div.
... where keyboard users can focus it, but not see it.
If you
On 28 Jun 2007, at 6:50 PM, Frank Palinkas wrote:
If the global site navigation on a page is marked up below the
content...
Hang on - if your nav is *below* the content, wouldn't the link be
better as 'skip to navigation'?
I think in this case it would be a good idea to have both links,
Hi All,
From the feedback and very reasonable/realistic points made, I'm going to
make sure that _all_ users will be able to deal with the navigation in a
manner that will suit them (visible and off screen). I don't consider this a
redundancy, but as professionally catering to whoever may open
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Its a matter of convention.
And demanded by WCAG
When we write documents, we always put the big heading up top and go
down from there. Its simple habit.
Agreed.
Of course the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course the branding shouldn't be an h1.
Totally disagree.
Why?
Seriously.
Why is the company logo and strap line the most important thing on every
page of a web site.
isn't the page content more important than the branding?
isn't the headline for the page
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...with a paper doc the user always gets to see the front cover.
Unless they're blind.
Thing about markup is, we can structure it for many more purposes than
hard copy info can be. The most important blind visitor? Google...
(Which I think is where this thread
The company logo is the image image and the representative of the company
on the internet. Without the existience of the company the logo won't
exist and without the branding the website wouldn't have come anyway!
The content should just be readable and not to dominate the site. I think
On 28 Jun 2007, at 11:03 PM, Sunday John wrote:
The company logo is the image image and the representative of the
company on the internet. Without the existience of the company the
logo won't exist and without the branding the website wouldn't have
come anyway!
The content should just be
ya, quit agree with you!
It now depend on how you do SEO. Or maybe I should ask;
Does a content based site respond to search engine than a well meta-tag,
keyword e.t.c site?
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:21:31 +0100, Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 28 Jun 2007, at 11:03 PM,
On 28 Jun 2007, at 11:41 PM, Sunday John wrote:
Does a content based site respond to search engine than a well
meta-tag, keyword e.t.c site?
It's pretty much accepted now that meta name=keywords don't carry
nearly as much weight as keywords (= search terms) in the actual
content of a page.
I thought I had scope, cols and colgroups figured out until I built a
table that clearly showed that I hadn't.
I have built a simplified table that illustrates this at
http://choctaw.co.uk/tabletest/
I want all all min columns coloured green and max columns coloured
yellow but more than
Google still uses the meta=description tag. Search for 'multipak', the
description given for the top link is taken from the meta tag.
Im not sure about other search engines.
I dont work on the SEO side of things, because usually well formed mark-up
is sufficient, unless your one of these people
ok
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Of course the branding shouldn't be an h1.
Totally disagree.
I think the answer here may lie in descriptive help text about which
plugin you may need rather than anything more complex
Thanks again,
David
I see your point here. The only thing I wonder about, and forgive me
if I am just in need of more coffee here, but what does a user get if
they
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Nick Gleitzman schreef:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...with a paper doc the user always gets to see the front cover.
Unless they're blind.
Well, they wont be seeing anything else then either, so semantics and
hierarchy of headings doesn't really matter in that case. Unless they
have it in
Sunday John schreef:
Does a content based site respond to search engine than a well
meta-tag, keyword e.t.c site?
If I'm correct search engines like Google give extra weight to keywords
in meta-tags, but only if they appear in the content of the site as
well. That way they know that these
Nick Gleitzman schreef:
How can you search for a company when you don't know it exists?
How do you find out what goods a certain company sells if don't know
what they are?
You search for the goods or services that you want - don't you?
Not always. If I want to know what campagnes
Designer wrote:
Note the 5th line of code. If a user doesn't have Flash, he/she just
sees the equivalent gif. NO pestering.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing that. :)
I personally prefer swfObject.
UFO is another (unobtrusive alternative to swfObject):
http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/ufo/
I
David Little schreef:
I think in this case it would be a good idea to have both links, e.g.
something like:
div class=skip
a href=#contentSkip to content/a | a href=#navigationSkip
to navigation/a
/div
I alway make skip links to all major parts of the page, being the
different levels of
Tom Livingston schreef:
On 6/27/07, David Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I'm looking for some advice on best practice methods of embedding a
QT/Flash movie in a page in a standards compliant way, so any ideas
would be very gratefully received!
I use this:
Sander Aarts wrote:
I prefer it above SWFObject as it seems to be more web standards
compliant. Well that's what Bobby says himself anyway ;-) in this A list
Apart article about Flash embedding:
I like the UFO approach, but I found that it is not the best option if
you have to dynamically
Sander Aarts wrote:
How can you search for a company when you don't know it exists?
How do you find out what goods a certain company sells if don't know
what they are?
Sorry, Sander, but that logic escapes me. Of course I don't know what
goods a certain company sells if I don't know they
On 29 Jun 2007, at 5:44 AM, Sander Aarts wrote:
Nick Gleitzman schreef:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...with a paper doc the user always gets to see the front cover.
Unless they're blind.
Well, they wont be seeing anything else then either, so semantics and
hierarchy of headings doesn't
Nick Gleitzman wrote:
Exactly. But I still contend that my company name, being most likely
more unique than any name of goods or services that I provide, doesn't
require as much semantic weight in my markup and it will *still* be
easily found by those who already know I exist - but that the
Nick Gleitzman schreef:
Sander Aarts wrote:
How can you search for a company when you don't know it exists?
How do you find out what goods a certain company sells if don't know
what they are?
Sorry, Sander, but that logic escapes me. Of course I don't know what
goods a certain company
Nick Gleitzman schreef:
On 29 Jun 2007, at 5:44 AM, Sander Aarts wrote:
Nick Gleitzman schreef:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...with a paper doc the user always gets to see the front cover.
Unless they're blind.
Well, they wont be seeing anything else then either, so semantics and
Not sure if this is totally on-topic for this list but I
don't subscribe to a more appropriate one.
In Firefox the site I'm doing appears fine.
In IE my content_info div does not appear at all.
I have structure like :-
+-+
| |
|
Peekaboo bug?
http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html
Paul
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AFAIK, the ABC News developers aren't subcribed to this list, but I've
forwarded the feedback here to them.
Cheers,
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Peekaboo bug?
http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html
Paul
Thanks Paul,
I didn't think so as it was happening in IE7 also.
but wat do you know, height:1% to content_info and
it appears fine (In IE7 not tested in others yet.)
I hate hacks, love
On Behalf Of Gav
In Firefox the site I'm doing appears fine.
In IE my content_info div does not appear at all.
I have structure like :-
+-+
| |
| content_sub |
+-+-+-+
| |
Peekaboo bug?
Since it is not showing up in IE7 either I'm not sure it is the Peekaboo
bug. I have seen this behavior before when mixing floated divs with
positioned divs and then clearing the floats underneath. You could try
switching to a floated content_info section like:
DIV#content_info
On 29/06/07, Sander Aarts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sorry, Sander, but that logic escapes me. Of course I don't know what
goods a certain company sells if I don't know they exist. But I know
what goods I'm looking for, so that's what I'll search on.
Sometime you're not looking for goods,
On Behalf Of Kepler Gelotte
Since it is not showing up in IE7 either I'm not sure it is the
Peekaboo
bug. I have seen this behavior before when mixing floated divs with
positioned divs and then clearing the floats underneath. You could try
switching to a floated content_info section like:
Thanks Guys,
Will try it later when I get back.
Gav...
quote who=Thierry Koblentz
On Behalf Of Kepler Gelotte
Since it is not showing up in IE7 either I'm not sure it is the
Peekaboo
bug. I have seen this behavior before when mixing floated divs with
positioned divs and then clearing the
www.colouru.com.au
There is a very strange instance of a navigation link not working on one
particular page - the products.html page link back to HOME. All other
pages seem to be OK.
It does work in IE and Opera but not in FX or Safari. Can anyone see
why this should be so? Thanks.
Lyn
I can seem to get backto the Home page no problems from the products
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/06/2007 11:55:22 am
www.colouru.com.au
There is a very strange instance of a navigation link not working on
one
particular page - the products.html page link back to HOME. All other
pages seem to be
Jermayn Parker wrote:
I can seem to get backto the Home page no problems from the products
In Firefox or Safari?
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Lyn asked:
www.colouru.com.au
There is a very strange instance of a navigation link not working on one
particular page - the products.html page link back to HOME. All other pages
seem to be OK.
It does work in IE and Opera but not in FX or Safari. Can anyone see why this
should be so?
There is a very strange instance of a navigation link not working on one
particular page - the products.html page link back to HOME. All other
pages seem to be OK.
Your div id=nav is being overlaid by your div id=left. I don't think
z-index will help in this case, but you still may want to try
yeah just double checked and not working now
I looked at the site via the inspector in firebug and i cannot actually
select the HOME or the colour icon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 29/06/2007 12:22:23 pm
Jermayn Parker wrote:
I can seem to get backto the Home page no problems from the products
yeah just double checked and not working now
I looked at the site via the inspector in firebug and i cannot actually
select the HOME or the colour icon
All fixed now - I moved #left down a bit so it was no longer obscuring
that part of the #nav.
Your div id=nav is being overlaid by your div id=left.
I just moved #left down a bit out of the way.. Thanks for reply Kepler.
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