Re: [WSG] W3C CSS Validation Service

2007-08-26 Thread Spirit Q.9 Gaming
Tested, nice. ^_^

On 8/26/07, Joyce Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I used to validate my XHTML at one W3C URL, and then there was another
 URL where I validated my CSS style sheet(s).  It seems this has been
 combined so that I can now validate both my CSS style sheet and my XHTML
 markup at this URL:  http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/.  I'd like to
 verify that this is a correct observation on my part.



 Also, I used to think I had to validate every single page of a website I
 developed (they've all been small websites).  Today, I typed in only the URL
 for the website I wanted to validate, and I received the message that no
 error was found.  I'd like to verify this as well – that I only need to type
 in the website's URL and not each individual page.



 Thank you for responding to what are probably elementary questions.



 Joyce



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Re: [WSG] W3C CSS Validation Service

2007-08-26 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Hi,

When I go to the link you give, I read below the input form the following
statement:

Note: If you want to validate your CSS style sheet embedded in an (X)HTML
document, you should first check that the (X)HTML you use is valid. 

which links to the Markup Validator.


To me this implies:

it is not validating X(HTML) - just CSS.

If your CSS is in a separate external stylesheet it can check that once
for the entire site.

If you have embeded CSS, you have to validate the X(HTML) for each page
before validating the CSS.



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On Sun, August 26, 2007 9:09 am, Spirit Q.9 Gaming wrote:
 Tested, nice. ^_^

 On 8/26/07, Joyce Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I used to validate my XHTML at one W3C URL, and then there was another
 URL where I validated my CSS style sheet(s).  It seems this has been
 combined so that I can now validate both my CSS style sheet and my XHTML
 markup at this URL:  http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/.  I'd like to
 verify that this is a correct observation on my part.



 Also, I used to think I had to validate every single page of a website I
 developed (they've all been small websites).  Today, I typed in only the
 URL
 for the website I wanted to validate, and I received the message that no
 error was found.  I'd like to verify this as well – that I only need to
 type
 in the website's URL and not each individual page.



 Thank you for responding to what are probably elementary questions.



 Joyce



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Re: [WSG] Height for the select markup in Internet Explorer

2007-08-26 Thread Stuart Foulstone
Do you mean something like:


.selectlist  {
color: #00;
font: 1.1em bold Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
background-color: #cc;
}

with,

select name=options class=selectlist   ...

where changing the font-height also changes the height of the select menu
dropdown box?


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On Sat, August 25, 2007 11:49 pm, Pierre-Henri Lavigne wrote:

 Good day,

 Does someone know a solution or a tip to set a height for the select tag
 in form, especially with Internet Explorer ? I've just got the case with a
 design that set an input and a select in the same line, and the select has
 every option in upper case letters.

 Thanks for your feedack,

 Regards,

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Re: [WSG] Height for the select markup in Internet Explorer

2007-08-26 Thread Dusan Smolnikar
I don't think this can be done. Some browsers (IE, Safari,  
Camino, ...) use system default form fields and therefore ignore css  
rules applied to them.



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Re: [WSG] W3C CSS Validation Service

2007-08-26 Thread Dusan Smolnikar
Css validator does not validate html. Maybe you got confused by the  
fact that you can enter a link to an html file. All it does is, it  
checks that html file for any css (inline or external) and validates  
the css. And if I recall correctly, this feature has been around for  
a while.


As Stuart noted, if your css is in external file it's always the  
same. You can only validate that once. But you still have to validate  
the html for each page separately. The html validator cannot find all  
of your pages to validate them.



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RE : Re: [WSG] Height for the select markup in Internet Explorer

2007-08-26 Thread Pierre-Henri Lavigne

Yes exacly,  I'm trying to avoid a higher select size
while the option value are in upper case letters.
While googling again, doesn't seem possible as Dusan
told. Like similar issues with Mac OS browsers. Anyway
I may try with line-height


--- Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] a
écrit :

 Do you mean something like:
 
 
 .selectlist  {
   color: #00;
   font: 1.1em bold Verdana, Arial, Helvetica,
 sans-serif;
   background-color: #cc;
 }
 
 with,
 
 select name=options class=selectlist   ...
 
 where changing the font-height also changes the
 height of the select menu
 dropdown box?
 
 
 -- 
 Stuart Foulstone.
 http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk
 BigEasy Web Design
 69 Flockton Court
 Rockingham Street
 Sheffield
 S1 4EB
 
 Tel. 07751 413451
 
 On Sat, August 25, 2007 11:49 pm, Pierre-Henri
 Lavigne wrote:
 
  Good day,
 
  Does someone know a solution or a tip to set a
 height for the select tag
  in form, especially with Internet Explorer ? I've
 just got the case with a
  design that set an input and a select in the same
 line, and the select has
  every option in upper case letters.
 
  Thanks for your feedack,
 
  Regards,
 
  Peter
 
 
 
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[WSG] Frank Jerez/NHMRC/Health is out of the office.

2007-08-26 Thread frank . jerez

I will be out of the office starting  27/08/2007 and will not return until
02/10/2007.

Please contact Brendan Eve on 6217 9489


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RE: [WSG] W3C CSS Validation Service

2007-08-26 Thread Joyce Evans
Thanks to you and Stuart.  

Joyce 

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Subject: Re: [WSG] W3C CSS Validation Service

Css validator does not validate html. Maybe you got confused by the  
fact that you can enter a link to an html file. All it does is, it  
checks that html file for any css (inline or external) and validates  
the css. And if I recall correctly, this feature has been around for  
a while.

As Stuart noted, if your css is in external file it's always the  
same. You can only validate that once. But you still have to validate  
the html for each page separately. The html validator cannot find all  
of your pages to validate them.


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[WSG] Web Developer toolbar for firefox 2.x

2007-08-26 Thread Hayden's Harness Attachment
I do not know if this is off topic. If it is please excuse me. I have the 
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upgrade for my Firefox 2.x, I get an error. Is their a web developer toolbar 
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[WSG] Using XLST to define microformats

2007-08-26 Thread Paul Minty
Hi all,
 
my first post, so: I'm Paul Minty, I do the IA, project management, some
front-end development and even a little copywriting for a small web
design and development studio in Melbourne.
 
Does anyone know of an effort to define micro-formats using an XML name
space and an XLST? I think that approach would be a great way to achieve
some semantic mark-up using the existing XHTML namespace. It's how I
prefer to process large amounts of data when we produce a larger
web-site and I think it is a technique that could be applied in a more
general way.
 
thanks
Paul
 

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Re: [WSG] Using XLST to define microformats

2007-08-26 Thread Jason Grant
Hi Paul,

Good question.

I am working currently on tesco.com and this is one of the ongoing debates
we have, inside W3C as well, as XSLT is used all over the place and we are
trying to achieve maximum accessibility and so on.

I am not aware that something 'standardised' exists on this matter as yet,
and would be surprised if it did yet, as the current state of play on this
matter seems to be very non-standardised. Only the other day I wanted to do
an events listing module and fried my brain in the various (mostly kind of
useless) microformats and feed formats for events information (I came to
conclusion that using something of my own is probably the best at this
point, but obviously stops short of advantages of using microformats and
standards, etc.).

So if you come across something at least semi-standardised on this matter,
please do message us if you are able to do so. It would be very much
appreciated.

Kind regards,

Jason
www.flexewebs.com

On 8/27/07, Paul Minty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi all,

 my first post, so: I'm Paul Minty, I do the IA, project management, some
 front-end development and even a little copywriting for a small web design
 and development studio in Melbourne.

 Does anyone know of an effort to define micro-formats using an XML name
 space and an XLST? I think that approach would be a great way to achieve
 some semantic mark-up using the existing XHTML namespace. It's how I prefer
 to process large amounts of data when we produce a larger web-site and I
 think it is a technique that could be applied in a more general way.

 thanks
 Paul


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 We design  create stylish websites

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[WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Paul Hempsall
 
Hey all,

I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web
traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual community
survey for good measure).

I'm looking for a Javascript page-tagging solution, that is
unobtrusive (keeping in line with our current progressive enhancement
paradigm), standards compliant, reliable/error free (ie. Supported
across multiple browsers).

We've spent a considerable amount of time building a standards
compliant, accessible website that degrades nicely on older browsers and
less tech savvy clients, so I'm not keen on implementing a solution
that's going to brain all of our hard work.

Can anyone make any suggests... off-list if this isn't the right forum
for this thread.

Best Regards,


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Web Developer


Lake Macquarie City Council
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Re: [WSG] Using XLST to define microformats

2007-08-26 Thread Breton Slivka
Hey Paul,
I'm not 100% sure what you mean by defining microformats as an xml
namespace, but I do know that the microformats community uses the x2v
stylesheets as the reference implementation for many microformats, including
hcalendar and hcard. http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/

That's about as close to a definition of microformats in xslt as you're
likely to find. I'm certain if you look around microformats.org you'll find
xslt sheets for the other microformats as well.

In addition, I understand that it's perfectly possible to embed microformats
in an xhtml namespace in other xml formats. The impression I get is that
suda's x2v sheets will handle that as welll, but i've never tested, so I'm
likely wrong.

-Breton


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  Hi all,

 my first post, so: I'm Paul Minty, I do the IA, project management, some
 front-end development and even a little copywriting for a small web design
 and development studio in Melbourne.

 Does anyone know of an effort to define micro-formats using an XML name
 space and an XLST? I think that approach would be a great way to achieve
 some semantic mark-up using the existing XHTML namespace. It's how I prefer
 to process large amounts of data when we produce a larger web-site and I
 think it is a technique that could be applied in a more general way.

 thanks
 Paul


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 *mint**leaf studio** *
 We design  create stylish websites

 Post: Box 6 108 Flinders Street Melbourne VIC 3000
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Re: [WSG] Using XLST to define microformats

2007-08-26 Thread Breton Slivka
One more thing:

the microformats mailing list
http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss/

Is just as friendly and open as this one, just as easy to join, but has the
added advantage that it's full of experts on microformats.

-Breton


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Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread John Faulds

Have you looked at Google Analytics?

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hey all,

I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web
traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual community
survey for good measure).

I'm looking for a Javascript page-tagging solution, that is
unobtrusive (keeping in line with our current progressive enhancement
paradigm), standards compliant, reliable/error free (ie. Supported
across multiple browsers).

We've spent a considerable amount of time building a standards
compliant, accessible website that degrades nicely on older browsers and
less tech savvy clients, so I'm not keen on implementing a solution
that's going to brain all of our hard work.

Can anyone make any suggests... off-list if this isn't the right forum
for this thread.

Best Regards,


Paul Hempsall
Web Developer


Lake Macquarie City Council
Phone: (02) 4921-0713
Fax: (02) 4921-0566
Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au

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Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Jason Grant
Try this:

http://www.google.com/analytics/

Hope its good.

Regards,

Jason
www.flexewebs.com

On 8/27/07, Paul Hempsall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hey all,

 I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web
 traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual community
 survey for good measure).

 I'm looking for a Javascript page-tagging solution, that is
 unobtrusive (keeping in line with our current progressive enhancement
 paradigm), standards compliant, reliable/error free (ie. Supported
 across multiple browsers).

 We've spent a considerable amount of time building a standards
 compliant, accessible website that degrades nicely on older browsers and
 less tech savvy clients, so I'm not keen on implementing a solution
 that's going to brain all of our hard work.

 Can anyone make any suggests... off-list if this isn't the right forum
 for this thread.

 Best Regards,


 Paul Hempsall
 Web Developer


 Lake Macquarie City Council
 Phone: (02) 4921-0713
 Fax: (02) 4921-0566
 Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au

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Re: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Patrick H. Lauke

Paul Hempsall wrote:


I'm investigating improving our current method of reporting our web
traffic - we currently use server logs only (with an annual community
survey for good measure).


You haven't really defined your probem...what exactly is it that you're 
trying to improve? I'm assuming you're already running something like 
Analog or Awstats in the backend to prep your server logs...so what 
functionality are you missing that makes you want to move to a 
javascript solution?


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RE: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Paul Minty
Paul,

We use Google Analytics in-house and it is a good addition to log file
analysis.

'Mint' is another tagging-based stats package that should be OK on a
standards-based website http://haveamint.com/

You do get a lot more info on browsers and viewport size throygh the
tagging stats approach. Also, Google tells you a lot about pathways
through the website that most log-analysis stats packages would charge
you a lot of money for.

Cheers
Paul


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Subject: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

 
I'm looking for a Javascript page-tagging solution, that is
unobtrusive (keeping in line with our current progressive enhancement
paradigm), standards compliant, reliable/error free (ie. Supported
across multiple browsers).


Paul Hempsall
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RE: [WSG] Using XLST to define microformats

2007-08-26 Thread Paul Minty
Jason,
 
good feedback. For that kind of case I would define an XML namespace
that is specific for your project; process the client's data according
to that model; then transform the XML namespace into XHTML during the
front-end development and content production phase of the project. I
agree with you that I haven't come across a lot of mico-formats that are
suitable for a specific project, unless it is an address, an event, a
news article or a product.
 
Breton has given me some good sources to chase up from the micro-format
world.
 
thanks
Paul
 
 

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On Behalf Of Jason Grant
Sent: Monday, 27 August 2007 11:01 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Using XLST to define microformats


Hi Paul,

Good question. 

I am working currently on tesco.com and this is one of the ongoing
debates we have, inside W3C as well, as XSLT is used all over the place
and we are trying to achieve maximum accessibility and so on. 

I am not aware that something 'standardised' exists on this matter as
yet, and would be surprised if it did yet, as the current state of play
on this matter seems to be very non-standardised. Only the other day I
wanted to do an events listing module and fried my brain in the various
(mostly kind of useless) microformats and feed formats for events
information (I came to conclusion that using something of my own is
probably the best at this point, but obviously stops short of advantages
of using microformats and standards, etc.). 

So if you come across something at least semi-standardised on this
matter, please do message us if you are able to do so. It would be very
much appreciated. 

Kind regards,

Jason
www.flexewebs.com 


On 8/27/07, Paul Minty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Hi all,
 
my first post, so: I'm Paul Minty, I do the IA, project
management, some front-end development and even a little copywriting for
a small web design and development studio in Melbourne.
 
Does anyone know of an effort to define micro-formats using an
XML name space and an XLST? I think that approach would be a great way
to achieve some semantic mark-up using the existing XHTML namespace.
It's how I prefer to process large amounts of data when we produce a
larger web-site and I think it is a technique that could be applied in a
more general way.
 
thanks
Paul
 

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mint leaf studio 
We design  create stylish websites

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Level 2 108 Flinders Street Melbourne
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RE: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Paul Hempsall
 
Thanks for the responses and suggestions.

I haven't checked out Google Analytics yet, although it was on my list.
In fact I'm heading down to Sydney in Sept for some training on it's use
and how to best implement it.

Patrick, reports based on server log files are considerably limiting.
For example, visitors are generally identified by IP and Session ID.
This doesn't tell me if the person is a repeat customer, or how often
they frequent the website, and also provides more accurate filtering of
non-human user agents (as UAs don't tend to render the HTML or executive
the JS).

The data collected is particularly useful for measuring the use of
back and forward button usage, monitoring the effectiveness of
campaigns, conversion rates, abandonment rates/locations, etc.

Just wanted to make sure I didn't break the site by implementing this.


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RE: [WSG] Standards friendly 'page tagging' web stats

2007-08-26 Thread Kane Tapping
Hi Paul,

I'm heading down to Sydney in Sept for some training on it's use
and how to best implement it.

Please tell me your not paying for that.

About Google Analytics
http://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/topic.py?topic=10977

Installing the tracking code
http://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/topic.py?topic=10976

How do I add tracking code to my website?
http://www.google.com/support/googleanalytics/bin/answer.py?answer=55488topic=11126

 Just wanted to make sure I didn't break the site by implementing this.

You can implement the JS on a couple of test pages if you would like to 
test the result before including it in all your pages.
Kind Regards,
Kane



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 27/08/2007 03:07:35 PM:

 
 Thanks for the responses and suggestions.
 
 I haven't checked out Google Analytics yet, although it was on my list.
 In fact I'm heading down to Sydney in Sept for some training on it's use
 and how to best implement it.
 
 Patrick, reports based on server log files are considerably limiting.
 For example, visitors are generally identified by IP and Session ID.
 This doesn't tell me if the person is a repeat customer, or how often
 they frequent the website, and also provides more accurate filtering of
 non-human user agents (as UAs don't tend to render the HTML or executive
 the JS).
 
 The data collected is particularly useful for measuring the use of
 back and forward button usage, monitoring the effectiveness of
 campaigns, conversion rates, abandonment rates/locations, etc.
 
 Just wanted to make sure I didn't break the site by implementing this.
 
 
 Paul Hempsall
 Web Developer
 
 
 Lake Macquarie City Council
 Phone: (02) 4921-0713
 Fax: (02) 4921-0566
 Web: http://www.lakemac.com.au
 
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