RE: [WSG] SilverLight

2007-10-30 Thread Frank Palinkas
Thanks Christian, Agreed, more work has to be done. One problem I find with this is that the build-generated (X)HTML pages are not contained within a packaged vehicle, as in a .swf, etc. These free-standing pages are at the mercy of the Silverlight plug-in being installed on the user's OS, and at

Re: [WSG] How z-index works

2007-10-30 Thread Tee G. Peng
Thierry, excellent work! This is a good case of a picture worth thousand words - I think I pretty much understand how z-index works (after many hours of testing and an assignment from the CSS.2.1 class) but I still not able to get a comprehensive understanding from that article on

Re: [WSG] SilverLight

2007-10-30 Thread akella
It's going to be on linux as well http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/09/moonlight_silve_1.html Moonlight is the answer On 10/30/07, Michael MD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the beta process, they were doing some flipping browser detection **from within the plugin**, and only checked for

Re: [WSG] SilverLight

2007-10-30 Thread Michael MD
In the beta process, they were doing some flipping browser detection **from within the plugin**, and only checked for Safari or Firefox, as opposed to check for Gecko. The demos I've seen still only work half and half on Mac browsers, except Firefox 2.0.0.x and Safari. what about linux

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-30 Thread Dave Woods
As far as I'm aware, it's not something that Google will automatically ban a site for anyway but if it is being used for black hat tactics then the site is open to being reported by anyone (possibly a competitor) which Google may then do a manual check of and ban the site if they deem the site to

Re: [WSG] SilverLight

2007-10-30 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
akella wrote: It's going to be on linux as well http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2007/09/moonlight_silve_1.html Moonlight is the answer Silverlight is patent encumbered and - on Linux - it may only be distributed by Novell (due to a patent agreement that lasts 4 years). This means that

Re: [WSG] Re: worst site I've seen lately

2007-10-30 Thread Michael MD
whisperI actually quite like it./whisper I thought it was pretty cool too. A bit of experimentation shows that there's actually been a fair bit of work put into font-previewing interface. Definitely nowhere near the worst site I've seen recently. I didn't think it was so bad - *except*

Re: [WSG] Site check requested

2007-10-30 Thread willdonovan
Hi Rick, I loaded up your page, facinated by your achievement for a semantic structure, it looks good, however I'm getting validation errors for the DOC type, the img tag and trimming empty on 2 span tags, Did you get the same? William Rick Lecoat wrote: Hi; I'm recreating a

Re: [WSG] Site check requested

2007-10-30 Thread Tom Roper
Looks good on my iPod! Tom On 30 Oct 2007, at 12:38, willdonovan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, I loaded up your page, facinated by your achievement for a semantic structure, it looks good, however I'm getting validation errors for the DOC type, the img tag and trimming empty on

Re: [WSG] skip to content: care of accessibility causing usability

2007-10-30 Thread willdonovan
I dont seem to get any of the flicking effects that everyone is talking about. I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.8 William Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Tee G. Peng wrote: teesworks.com/ Been working on this site in the last 2 days, I find that I am getting so annoyed by the surprise' everytime the

Re: [WSG] skip to content: care of accessibility causing usability

2007-10-30 Thread willdonovan
on the topic of skip links and semantic styling, and to add to the mix of usability, accessibility and getting into the habit of best practice, Accessibility is not just for the impaired, it is also for people who access through different devices where CSS has not been styled to suite what

Re: [WSG] Site check requested

2007-10-30 Thread JonMarc Wright
Rick, the site looks good. visually i would maybe slow down your animated gif a bit, or include the company name or slogan or something and have it stop after going through once or maybe looping just a couple of times and fall to rest on the name/slogan/whatever. it's a bit fast and i found the

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-30 Thread willdonovan
I agree with you Dave, Google is not about to ban you, however if this is used in combination with other known black hat tactics, then you will. Google will check your CSS but once again, if you are using this technique to excess, then you should be worried. There was talk via a different

Re: [WSG] SilverLight

2007-10-30 Thread Derek Featherstone
On 10/30/07, Christian Montoya wrote: On 10/30/07, Derek Featherstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian - do you have a reference for that anywhere? I'd be really interested in seeing it (as I'm sure others would be too!) Just read the spec on XAML, which is what Silverlight uses:

Re: [WSG] Site check requested

2007-10-30 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 30/10/07 (13:38) willdonovan said: I loaded up your page, facinated by your achievement for a semantic structure 'Fascinated' is one of those worryingly ambiguous terms... ;-) it looks good, however I'm getting validation errors for the DOC type, the img tag and trimming empty on 2 span

Re: [WSG] Site check requested

2007-10-30 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 30/10/07 (14:09) JonMarc said: Rick, the site looks good. visually i would maybe slow down your animated gif a bit, or include the company name or slogan or something and have it stop after going through once or maybe looping just a couple of times and fall to rest on the

Re: [WSG] SilverLight

2007-10-30 Thread Christian Montoya
On 10/30/07, Derek Featherstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/30/07, Christian Montoya wrote: On 10/30/07, Derek Featherstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christian - do you have a reference for that anywhere? I'd be really interested in seeing it (as I'm sure others would be too!) Just

Re: [WSG] skip to content: care of accessibility causing usability

2007-10-30 Thread Tee G. Peng
On Oct 30, 2007, at 5:56 AM, willdonovan wrote: I dont seem to get any of the flicking effects that everyone is talking about. I'm using Firefox 2.0.0.8 Hi William, thanks for checking. It was eliminated :) This site has something similar to what I did - I think I must have gotten the

[WSG] Rounded Courners .... Your Take

2007-10-30 Thread James Jeffery
What methods do you find best when creating rounded corners and which methods are the most supported? I have been using span tags and absolute positioning. I have also recently started to use the sliding doors method because you can achive nice rounded boxes with some nice effects, even better if

RE: [WSG] Rounded Courners .... Your Take

2007-10-30 Thread Mohamed Jama
Depending on the background, if the corners blue and the background is white then there is no problem a normal gif would do best but if the background is gradient or patterned then maybe in Photoshop when saving for web make sure its gif and set the matte option to a color close enough to the

Re: [WSG] Rounded Courners .... Your Take

2007-10-30 Thread James Jeffery
You can try it out for yourself by changing the images to a solid color and change the font-size in the body to 1em and test in IE5.5. See what you come up with. On Oct 30, 2007 4:46 PM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was having a slight issue using span tags, the problem with IE5.x.

Re: [WSG] SilverLight

2007-10-30 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
On 30 Oct 2007, at 16:01, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: I recently spotted it in this article http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2007/05/11/ silverlight_programming_q_and_a/ Quoting Keith Smith, product manager of the user experience platform and tools team at Microsoft covering Silverlight as well

Re: [WSG] Rounded Courners .... Your Take

2007-10-30 Thread James Jeffery
I was having a slight issue using span tags, the problem with IE5.x. I fixed it and it now displays perfect. I had a problem that when text was made larger in IE5.x the 2 corner images to the right would shift one pixel to the left and it displayed messy. If i add font-size: 0.9em to the body it

RE: [WSG] SilverLight

2007-10-30 Thread Frank Palinkas
/* And where we can't make a decision on your behalf, we offer a quick way to set up accessibility through our tools. */ Concerning AJAX and Silverlight - I only pray that their interpretation ARIA is not just another opera solo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [WSG] How z-index works

2007-10-30 Thread John Faulds
That's weird, it's working today. :? On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:57:05 +1000, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip http://tjkdesign.com/articles/z-index/teach_yourself_how_elements_stack.asp OK, this is obviously not an isolated occurrence anymore. I've tried to look at your site 3

Re: [WSG] card sort with disabled users (OT?)

2007-10-30 Thread lisa herrod
hi Andreas On 30/10/2007, Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am working on a website that targets people with many different disabilities. So that will include users with visual, mental, hearing or physical impairments. The website has got quite a large amount of

Re: [WSG] How z-index works

2007-10-30 Thread Mark Harris
John Faulds wrote: That's weird, it's working today. :? Sounds like transient DNS proxy issues to me *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe:

Re: [WSG] Rounded Courners .... Your Take

2007-10-30 Thread James Ellis
Hi James I got so sick of doing rounded corners and having to open a graphics program to change them (Hey, I'm a developer) when the design changed that I wrote PHP script using Imagick2.0 that draws the quadrants using the correct foreground colour, background color (or transparent), border

Re: [WSG] Rounded Courners .... Your Take

2007-10-30 Thread akella
May be i'm missing something, but what's wrong with wrapping divs? Much more stable approach... smth like this: div class=wr1div class=wr2div class=wr3div class=wr4 [content] /div/div/div/div .wr1{background:url(corner-top-left.png)} ... On 10/30/07, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You

Re: [WSG] Rounded Courners .... Your Take

2007-10-30 Thread James Jeffery
Nothing wrong with it to my knowledge. I find semantic wise, both are invalid, this is no fault of the designer, its a limitation to do with CSS. I have never really used the div method. On Oct 30, 2007 11:39 PM, akella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May be i'm missing something, but what's wrong

[WSG] PHI and YUI Grids

2007-10-30 Thread James Jeffery
Does the Yahoo Grid framework have any relation to the golden rule (ie: Divine Proportion)? I am slowly learning to create aesthetically pleasing web designs, although i would never us the Yahoo framework does it have any relation? Or is YUI Grid system just a way to place blocks on the page?

RE: [WSG] card sort with disabled users (OT?)

2007-10-30 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lisa herrod I think you probably need to work with individual groups in a way that is appropriate for them, rather than trying to find one way to do it all. For example, unless you transpose labels

RE: [WSG] Rounded Courners .... Your Take

2007-10-30 Thread Paul Bennett
Now instead of opening up inkscape it's just a call to a PHP script like: background-image: url(corner.png.php?fgc=cccbs=1bgc=000bc=fffr=90); So for everytime the css file is called, your script has to create an image? Has this impacted on your sites / servers performance any? Have you

RE: [WSG] PHI and YUI Grids

2007-10-30 Thread Paul Bennett
You mean the 'Golden Mean'? Not that I can see - grids offers a variety of column widths and nesting. You do a large variety of things with it and column widths don't appear to be golden mean base, but based on Yahoo's enormous experience . I am slowly learning to create aesthetically

Re: [WSG] PHI and YUI Grids

2007-10-30 Thread James Jeffery
Its a personal reason. I like to do everything from design, to build, to backend scripting to deploying. I find its less hassle to create my own layouts for the job i am working on. Im the same with JS and PHP, even though there are pre compiled scripts out there, i would rather create my own, so

Re: [WSG] CSS display: none has SEO impact?

2007-10-30 Thread Michael MD
Google is not about to ban you, however if this is used in combination with other known black hat tactics, then you will. Google will check your CSS but once again, if you are using this technique to excess, then you should be worried. There was talk via a different email thread, and someone

[WSG] html css review wanted

2007-10-30 Thread Nick Cowie
Got to build new template for work, so if you could look at: http://nickcowie.com/other/template/index.html And do a critical review of the HTML and CSS (though ignore the poor structure, lack of annotations and a dodgy bit of ie only code to centre the ul in the footer) in layout.css (to be

[WSG] Re: SilverLight

2007-10-30 Thread Scott Barnes
Hi, It warms my dear heart to see Silverlight talked about in a forum like this! :) I'll help if I may clear up a few things around Silverlight. * Silverlight SEO/Usability - At this point it's primitive, but we are working with folks from around the globe to firm this up some more,

RE: [WSG] PHI and YUI Grids

2007-10-30 Thread Paul Minty
WSGers, We've been using the YUI for a while. We wrote our own variant to support the proportions that our Art Director likes to use, which include the Golden Mean. It's boosted our front end development speed and means we can start getting consitent layout hapenning when we develop HTML

Re: [WSG] Rounded Courners .... Your Take

2007-10-30 Thread Christian Snodgrass
I also prefer using the div tags. I think it's as semantically valid as span, which neither of them really are. The idea for a PHP round corners script is a very interesting one as well. I'd be interested in seeing that script. -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design

RE: [WSG] Re: SilverLight

2007-10-30 Thread Scott Barnes
A lot of sins have to be forgiven :) heh.. I can't give any more on this as I don't enjoy spending time with our legal team. Suffice to say, it's being worked out :) (I know that has to suck as an answer, but insert patience analogy here) heh. Scott / Microsoft. p.s nice youtube! :) (would

Re: [WSG] Re: SilverLight

2007-10-30 Thread Matthew Cruickshank
Hi Scott, There are some patent issues our legal folks are working through to ensure that it’s all smoothed out and what not, but this is a big step for Microsoft in this space and so we are learning as we go via the guidance of the Moonlight team (whom are awesome). Well Microsoft have

[WSG] Re: [css-d] Box Issue

2007-10-30 Thread Kit Grose
The technique you're describing is called faux-columns, where you create the column colour for each of the three columns in a one pixel high background image repeating vertically on the container DIV. As for keeping the footer under the columns; set the footer DIV to have the CSS property