Re: [WSG] RE: Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

2007-11-30 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh


On Nov 30, 2007, at 10:42 PM, Frank Palinkas wrote:


How can we encourage the other (non-Mozilla) browser manufacturers
to add support for this very useful feature?


If I understand your question, please download, install, and have a  
look at

Opera (release version 9.4).

9.24 ? or 9.5b ?


The tool I think you're looking for can be found by going to:
Tools/Preferences/Advanced/Fonts. This opens the extensive Desired  
font

selection dialog box. Please have a look?

Apple menu  PreferencesAdvanced tab. Not everybody uses windoze.
That is about user preferred settings (aka preferences). You can  
change those in any browser worth it weight in bytes. It won't  
necessarily override the fonts set in the user stylesheet.


The question I answered to was about font-size-adjust, a css-3 property.

BTW - On the (original) subject of testing the effect of various  
fonts, on OS X this is very easy: Open Fontbook.app and just disable/ 
enable the fonts you want. For some browsers, you'll need to restart  
before the changes take effect.



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RE: [WSG] RE: Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

2007-11-30 Thread Frank Palinkas
Hi Philippe,

 How can we encourage the other (non-Mozilla) browser manufacturers
 to add support for this very useful feature?

If I understand your question, please download, install, and have a look at
Opera (release version 9.4).

The tool I think you're looking for can be found by going to:
Tools/Preferences/Advanced/Fonts. This opens the extensive Desired font
selection dialog box. Please have a look?

Kind regards,

Frank M. Palinkas
Microsoft M.V.P. - Windows Help
W3C HTML Working Group (H.T.M.L.W.G.) - Invited Expert
M.C.P., M.C.T., M.C.S.E., M.C.D.B.A., A+   
Senior Technical Communicator 
Web Standards  Accessibility Designer 

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Re: [WSG] RE: Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

2007-11-30 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh


On Nov 30, 2007, at 5:31 AM, Kroon.Kurtis wrote:


I'm also late to the party, but I wanted to add something that no one
else seems to have mentioned -- font-size-adjust (from CSS 2, but
removed -- alas! -- from CSS 2.1 due to lack of support).

It is part of CSS 3
http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-fonts/#font-size-props


...

Now, the (rather substantial) disadvantage:

As far as I can tell[3], font-size-adjust is only supported in
recent Gecko browsers (e.g. Firefox 2).
And for Firefox 2.0.0.x, only on Windows. But fear not, It is  
supported on all platforms in the upcoming Firefox 3.0. Cool.


It is a very useful feature to produce decent quality text. Not only  
for the described case above, but also for example for the case where  
you have different fonts used within the same block of text (e.g. a  
paragraph with some code in).
(decent quality text: because typography on the web is still a far  
cry from what it should be).


Which leads me to my last question (on this topic, anyway):

How can we encourage the other (non-Mozilla) browser manufacturers
to add support for this very useful feature?

1. By using it ?
2. File bugs against your favourite Rendering Engine
(I don't need to, It is already supported in my browser...:-))

for WebKit, it is bug 15257
http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15257
To my surprise, nobody had requested that when I filed that bug.


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Re: [WSG] RE: Disabling Fonts in Font Stacks

2007-11-30 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh


I wrote:


Apple menu  PreferencesAdvanced tab. Not everybody uses windoze.

Darn stupid mistake
Opera menu  PreferencesAdvanced tab.

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