Re: [WSG] Float-less layouts

2008-01-08 Thread Gitanjali
i have dont dynamic calender for my site in javascript where i have written styles also.but it is not suporting ie 6. the calender frame is not properly visible on combo box in ie6. please help me out with this problem. On Jan 8, 2008 8:35 AM, Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Al Sparber

RE: [WSG] Float-less layouts

2008-01-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thierry wrote (in the linked article, not his post): DIVs are meaningless and cannot represent the structure of a document Really? According to the HTML 3.2 spec, where they first appear: DIV elements can be used to structure HTML documents

RE: [WSG] Float-less layouts

2008-01-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Thierry wrote (in the linked article, not his post): DIVs are meaningless and cannot represent the structure of a document Really? According to the HTML 3.2 spec, where they first appear: DIV elements can be used to structure HTML documents as a hierarchy of divisions.

RE: [WSG] Float-less layouts

2008-01-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve this article: http://tjkdesign.com/articles/float-less_css_layouts.asp Demo: http://tjkdesign.com/articles/css-layout/ no_div_no_float_no_clear_no_hack_no _joke.asp Nice write-up. One of the issues with this technique: you

RE: [WSG] Float-less layouts

2008-01-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Al Sparber wrote: The problem is with the standard. If one gets too hung up on semantic markup then there is the risk of bending the logical or implied semantics of an element to suit ones project. I submit that in the absence of a perfectly specific semantically correct element for a

Re: [WSG] Float-less layouts

2008-01-08 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
When using DIV, what translate that hierarchy? div id=level1 div id=level2 div id=level3I am down the hierarchy :(/div /div /div This may not make Lists better for construct, but it should show that the div element represents nothing at all (as it says in one of the 2 links you

RE: [WSG] Float-less layouts

2008-01-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
When using DIV, what translate that hierarchy? div id=level1 div id=level2 div id=level3I am down the hierarchy :(/div /div /div The indentation in the markup? Is whitespace required to make sense of DIVs? The IDs? If we need to use attributes to make sense of it, then it'd

RE: [WSG] Float-less layouts

2008-01-08 Thread Designer
Thierry and all, I am interested in the excellent and well thought out work you have done with lists here. Intriguing! However (and it's a serious question), in what way do you think that using lists is 'better' than using a simple 2 or 3 -celled table (+ a bit of CSS to style it,

Re: [WSG] w3c link checker

2008-01-08 Thread Susan Grossman
http://search.cpan.org/dist/W3C-LinkChecker/ i looked at the downlad file and it's a tar.gz. i run windoze. how would i install it on a windoze box? dwain There's a free program for unzipping that type of file. Once the link checker is unzipped it'll also work on windows

RE: [WSG] Float-less layouts

2008-01-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi Bob, I am interested in the excellent and well thought out work you have done with lists here. Intriguing! Thanks However (and it's a serious question), in what way do you think that using lists is 'better' than using a simple 2 or 3 -celled table (+ a bit of CSS to style it,

Re: [WSG] Float-less layouts

2008-01-08 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Thierry Koblentz wrote: DIVs are used for this, but do they *mean* this? If yes, then why does the following validate? div class=clearIt/div For the same reason that li class=foo/li also validates. Because if we are talking hierarchy and semantics, I think something should reveal the

Re: [WSG] w3c link checker

2008-01-08 Thread dwain
On 1/7/08, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how about you download, install, and run it yourself? http://search.cpan.org/dist/W3C-LinkChecker/ i looked at the downlad file and it's a tar.gz. i run windoze. how would i install it on a windoze box? dwain -- dwain alford The

Re: [WSG] w3c link checker

2008-01-08 Thread dwain
i have a program to unzip the file. i assume that it doesn't matter where i unzip it to (C:\) but then how do i run it, from the command line and if so what command do i use to run it? i read the read me file and it wasn't much help. dwain On 1/8/08, Susan Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [WSG] w3c link checker

2008-01-08 Thread Hassan Schroeder
dwain wrote: http://search.cpan.org/dist/W3C-LinkChecker/ i looked at the downlad file and it's a tar.gz. i run windoze. how would i install it on a windoze box? Uh, extract the contents of that file and read the directions? :-) -- Hassan Schroeder -

RE: [WSG] w3c link checker

2008-01-08 Thread Paul Bennett
winrar will open .tar and .gz files on windows: http://www.rarlab.com/ :) Paul *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL

Re: [WSG] w3c link checker

2008-01-08 Thread David Dorward
On 8 Jan 2008, at 20:22, dwain wrote: http://search.cpan.org/dist/W3C-LinkChecker/ i looked at the downlad file and it's a tar.gz. i run windoze. how would i install it on a windoze box? http://search.cpan.org/src/SCOP/W3C-LinkChecker-4.3/docs/ checklink.html#install (but see

RE: [WSG] Float-less layouts

2008-01-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Thierry Koblentz wrote: DIVs are used for this, but do they *mean* this? If yes, then why does the following validate? div class=clearIt/div For the same reason that li class=foo/li also validates. You didn't quote an important part of my reply to Rimantas, who was saying: I

[WSG] Replace JPG, PNG and GIF for HTML Tables, Really.

2008-01-08 Thread Carlos Carreo
Take a look to this post, Forget the JPG, PNG and GIF. A new way to use the tables... http://www.blogcreativo.com.ar/olvidate-de-los-jpg-png-y-gif/ _ Tecnología, moda, motor, viajes,…suscríbete a nuestros boletines para estar

Re: [WSG] w3c link checker

2008-01-08 Thread dwain
thanks to all who have responded to my cry for help. i think i have all the information i need to install the link checker. best, dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky

[WSG] Alison AWO67 Woodage is out of the office.

2008-01-08 Thread alisonwoodage
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[WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Tim MacKay
Hello all, Just looking for a little help. I'm creating a sort of 'point form' list that goes a bit like this: 1. Pursuit of customer satisfaction We promise to pursue customer satisfaction as our main point of customer focus.blah blah blah.. 2. Pursuit of customer loyalty

Re: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Karl Lurman
Definition List? On Jan 9, 2008 2:48 PM, Tim MacKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Just looking for a little help. I'm creating a sort of 'point form' list that goes a bit like this: 1. Pursuit of customer satisfaction We promise to pursue customer satisfaction as our

Re: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread E Michael Brandt
Definition List for sure. E. Michael Brandt www.divahtml.com www.divahtml.com/products/scripts_dreamweaver_extensions.php Standards-compliant scripts and Dreamweaver Extensions www.valleywebdesigns.com/vwd_Vdw.asp JustSo PictureWindow JustSo PhotoAlbum, et alia --

Re: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Knowles
Tim MacKay wrote: Hello all, My first guess would be an ordered list but the definitions underneath don’t really allow for it. Why? A definition list doesn’t seem very appropriate either because of the wordiness of the explanations; to me a true definition list would only be a few words.

RE: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Steve Green
I think that definition lists would be appropriate semantically but in the real world I don't know of any user agent that does anything useful with a definition list or any user group that derives any benefit from them. Certainly they make no sense when read with a screen reader because you cannot

[WSG] Acronym element

2008-01-08 Thread Grant Young
Hi all. I have a quick question re: practical use of the acronym element. If I have a piece of text that defines the word, then includes the acronym immediately after in brackets, I assume there's no need/point in using acronym for the text in brackets? e.g. Web Standards Group (WSG) the WSG

Re: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Knowles
Steve Green wrote: I think that definition lists would be appropriate semantically but in the real world I don't know of any user agent that does anything useful with a definition list or any user group that derives any benefit from them. Certainly they make no sense when read with a screen

RE: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Paul Minty
Tim, a definition list is called for. You can set it to be numbered in the CSS. You could also use headings and paragraphs (semantically it is the same as we have a set of name-value pairs). You could also use a two column table (name-value pairs). cheers Paul Paul MInty Director

Re: [WSG] Acronym element

2008-01-08 Thread John Faulds
e.g. Web Standards Group (WSG) the WSG wouldn't benefit from the acronym element. No, I believe you only then need to use the acronym or abbr tag for the first instance of it following where it appears in brackets on any one page (ie at the start of a new page, you'd expand the

RE: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi Steve, Isn't the responsibility of screen reader manufacturers to treat DLs for what they are? Following this logic, we should be using basic table markup for layout to give people using old visual browsers a better experience. If we cheat with the markup to please user agents what's the

RE: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Unless order is important, I'd vote for a Definition List too -- Regards, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim MacKay Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:49 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] semantic

[WSG] Force landscape on a print style sheet?

2008-01-08 Thread wsg
I'm doing a print style sheet for a reporting system, and I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to force a printer to print in landscape orientation using CSS. I know there are postscript and PCL commands to switch the printer to landscape, but I'm not sure if you can add PCL Commands to

Re: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Karl Lurman
I don't think theres any rules about the length of definitions? You are correct sir. A definition list implies to me the expansion of a term through definition. If anything that means the more text the better! I just noticed that Tim's list includes numbering... This means there could be some

Re: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Knowles
Thierry Koblentz wrote: Isn't the responsibility of screen reader manufacturers to treat DLs for what they are? Following this logic, we should be using basic table markup for layout to give people using old visual browsers a better experience. If we cheat with the markup to please user

RE: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Steve Green
Absolutely it is. I'm rather surprised at how badly they handle DLs, but almost zero percent of web developers use them even now (remember that standards-compliant designers represent perhaps 1% of the industry). Go back just a few years and no one at all was using them. Is it not also the

RE: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Thierry Koblentz wrote: Isn't the responsibility of screen reader manufacturers to treat DLs for what they are? Following this logic, we should be using basic table markup for layout to give people using old visual browsers a better experience. If we cheat with the markup to

RE: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Absolutely it is. I'm rather surprised at how badly they handle DLs, but almost zero percent of web developers use them even now (remember that standards-compliant designers represent perhaps 1% of the industry). Go back just a few years and no one at all was using them.   Is it not also the

[WSG] Help me please

2008-01-08 Thread carrenocarlos06
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Re: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Chris Knowles
Thierry Koblentz wrote: No, what I'm saying is that we should write semantic markup and hope that SR manufacturers fix their product asap. JAWS, to name one product, is a very expensive software. Freedomscientific should take care of its customers, it is not to the authors to lower the

Re: [WSG] semantic list with explanations

2008-01-08 Thread Ca Phun Ung
Tim MacKay wrote: Hello all, Just looking for a little help. I'm creating a sort of 'point form' list that goes a bit like this: 1. Pursuit of customer satisfaction We promise to pursue customer satisfaction as our main point of customer focus...blah blah blah 2.