Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type

2008-01-31 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
 Why sniff out browsers that accept XML? If the document is marked as XHTML
 1.1 it should allways be sent as XML.
...

That is true, but Internet Explorer does not support XHTML.
HTML 4.01/5 ftw :)

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Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type

2008-01-31 Thread Designer

Thomas Thomassen wrote:
Why sniff out browsers that accept XML? If the document is marked as 
XHTML 1.1 it should allways be sent as XML.


Though, I have seen people sniffing out browsers and using server side 
scripting to change the doctype. XHTML 1.1 to browsers than supports it, 
and XHTML 1.0 with the html mime to older browsers. Which is meaningless 
since the document effectivly is XHTML 1.0.


Maybe, but coding in xhtml1.1 makes you MUCH more fussy about syntax 
etc. and it shows up any 'well formed' errors as soon as you browse. So, 
whilst the user will know nothing about all this, it makes you as a 
designer get lots of practice in using the stricter syntax, ready for 
some day in the future when you will need it.


Maybe :-)

Bob

www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk





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Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type

2008-01-31 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun

Designer wrote:

Maybe, but coding in xhtml1.1 makes you MUCH more fussy about syntax
 etc. and it shows up any 'well formed' errors as soon as you browse.
So, whilst the user will know nothing about all this, it makes you as
a designer get lots of practice in using the stricter syntax, ready
for some day in the future when you will need it.

Maybe :-)


Yes, Maybe :-)

I don't know if this is a stable feature, but when I write documents in
XHTML 1.0 (intended to be served as 'text/html'), Opera 9.5 beta (build
9694) treats it as 'text/xml' off-line and refuses to render it if it
isn't well-formed and up to standard. Same document is treated as
'text/html' on-line - as intended.

Opera's behavior gives me immediate feedback during the design-phase
without having to bother with MIME type switching. No such on/off-line
MIME type switching in available versions of other browsers AFAIK.

regards

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Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type

2008-01-31 Thread Thomas Thomassen
There's no difference between XHTML 1.1 and XHTML 1.0 Strict. XHTML 1.1 only 
advantage is that it's modulized and can only be sent as XML so it can be 
extended. If you're not extending it then you're better off with XHTML 1.0.


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Thomas Thomassen wrote:
Why sniff out browsers that accept XML? If the document is marked as 
XHTML 1.1 it should allways be sent as XML.


Though, I have seen people sniffing out browsers and using server side 
scripting to change the doctype. XHTML 1.1 to browsers than supports it, 
and XHTML 1.0 with the html mime to older browsers. Which is meaningless 
since the document effectivly is XHTML 1.0.


Maybe, but coding in xhtml1.1 makes you MUCH more fussy about syntax etc. 
and it shows up any 'well formed' errors as soon as you browse. So, whilst 
the user will know nothing about all this, it makes you as a designer get 
lots of practice in using the stricter syntax, ready for some day in the 
future when you will need it.


Maybe :-)

Bob

www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk





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[WSG] Web Publishing Guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Faul, Mark
Hi everyone,

I'm currently working on a new set of web publishing standards or guidelines.  
The New Zealand Government Web Standards and Recommendations [ 
http://webstandards.govt.nz/index.php/Home_page ] are a great inspiration, as 
well as the W3C standards of course.

Just wondering if others can refer me to good examples?

Cheers!  Mark


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Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-31 Thread Keryx Web

Thomas Thomassen skrev:

Yes, that is an issue. But saving webpages to disc has always been 
unreliable. Espesially now with the extensive use of AJAX and other 
embedded and streamed content.


Not to mention IE:s habit of botching up the markup badly. Valid and 
well-formed XHTML will often be saved with tagnames and attributes in 
UPPER CASE!


That an UA might automatically insert a meta-tag for IE-dummy-mode is 
not that hard to imagine, though.


The problem is that it would have to *required* behaviour for *every* 
UA! And that includes Lynx -dump, wget, and every other program that 
people use for scripted solutions.



Lars Gunther
Who uses wget a lot...


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Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-31 Thread Keryx Web

[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev:

One question that I have yet to see anyone ask is: How good will IE8
actually be?
If it is perfect, then there is no need to worry about future
versions...


No browser is, and never will be perfect. (Look at Acid 3. 
http://acid3.acidtests.org/ And when most browsers get that one, we will 
get Acid 4. Ian even has registered a domain name!)


I do not think this applies to you, but I've seen lots of comments 
lately on blogs and forums  complaining about IE - that claims CSS 3 
compliance in FFox, Opera or Safari. And that demands perfect CSS 3 
compliance in IE 8. That is some kind of ignorance about the current 
state of CSS support as well as CSS 3 in itself.


Here is the bottom line. If a browser claims to support a (part of a) 
standard, it must do so with 99,9 % perfection. Mozilla is taking a very 
wise route in being rather slow to move from experimental support 
(-moz-box-sizing, -moz-opacity and -moz-border-radius) to full support.


IE7 fixed bugs, but also added features (selector support). I think more 
harm (=sites breaking) was done by the added features, than by the bugfixes.


As for IE I said it before and I'll say it again. NDAs and secrecy is a 
fertile ground for mistrust. Open bug databases is the best way to keep 
developers happy.



Lars Gunther

P.S. In case anyone has missed it. This we can demand from a browser today:
- Full CSS 2.1 support (except for those minute edge-cases where the 
errata still have not been finalized).

- Full support for CSS 3 selectors
- Full support for CSS 3 color (except for one small part of the spec)
- Full support for CSS namespaces

+ Experimental support for background and borders
+ Experimental support for media-queries
+ Paged media and print

http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-css-beijing-20071019/

Unresolved issues/needed errata for CSS 2.1: 
http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1



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Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type

2008-01-31 Thread Keryx Web

Thomas Thomassen skrev:
There's no difference between XHTML 1.1 and XHTML 1.0 Strict. XHTML 1.1 
only advantage is that it's modulized 


Not entirely true. XHTML 1.1 includes ruby.

and can only be sent as XML so it 
can be extended. If you're not extending it then you're better off with 
XHTML 1.0.


FWIW - and I do not wish to reopen the considered harmful debate - 
appendix C allows for sending XHTML 1.1 as well as XHTML 1.0 as 
text/html. (That's a recent change in the specs that few seem to know 
about.)



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Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type

2008-01-31 Thread Thomas Thomassen
Now that's new to me. Will have to read up on that. But then I see no point 
in XHTML 1.1, because wasn't it mean to be modulized and extendible by XML?



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Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type



Thomas Thomassen skrev:
There's no difference between XHTML 1.1 and XHTML 1.0 Strict. XHTML 1.1 
only advantage is that it's modulized


Not entirely true. XHTML 1.1 includes ruby.

and can only be sent as XML so it can be extended. If you're not 
extending it then you're better off with XHTML 1.0.


FWIW - and I do not wish to reopen the considered harmful debate - 
appendix C allows for sending XHTML 1.1 as well as XHTML 1.0 as text/html. 
(That's a recent change in the specs that few seem to know about.)



Lars Gunther


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Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type

2008-01-31 Thread Rimantas Liubertas
...
 FWIW - and I do not wish to reopen the considered harmful debate -
 appendix C allows for sending XHTML 1.1 as well as XHTML 1.0 as
 text/html. (That's a recent change in the specs that few seem to know
 about.)

Can  you elaborate what appendix C are  you talking about?
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/xhtml-media-types.html#summary
(latest version, supposedly) does not confirm this.

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RE: [WSG] Web Publishing Guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Koen Willems
I can recomment the Dutch Guidelines: http://www.webrichtlijnen.nl/english/
 
Regards,
Koen Willems

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Onderwerp: [WSG] Web Publishing Guidelines



Hi everyone, 

I'm currently working on a new set of web publishing standards or
guidelines.  The New Zealand Government Web Standards and Recommendations [
http://webstandards.govt.nz/index.php/Home_page ] are a great inspiration,
as well as the W3C standards of course.


Just wondering if others can refer me to good examples? 

Cheers!  Mark 

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Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type

2008-01-31 Thread Keryx Web

Rimantas Liubertas skrev:


Can  you elaborate what appendix C are  you talking about?
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/xhtml-media-types.html#summary
(latest version, supposedly) does not confirm this.



The 2nd edition opens things up a bit:
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/xhtml11-diff.html#strict


Lars Gunther


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[WSG] linking to images with //

2008-01-31 Thread Taco Fleur
Hello all,
 
quick question; we signed up for scanalert.com and been given some HTML code
to place a icon on our search engine www.clickfind.com.au 
 
I placed the code on the pages without really paying attention to it, after
a while I discovered the image was linked as
src=//images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif
 
I never seen this before, but it worked! I changed it to
src=http://images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif;
and now it doesn't seem to load anymore, for an example see:
http://www.clickfind.com.au/about-clickfind.cfm right next to Yahoo Web
Service the scanalert icon should load.
 
I have no idea whether the way they linked to the image is valid, does
anyone know? I guess if it is, linking to the images that way would overcome
any issues with linking to an image over HTTP or HTTPS
 

Kind regards, Taco Fleur


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clickfindT 1300 859 179
www.clickfind.com.au http://www.clickfind.com.au/  the new Australian
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Re: [WSG] Windows on a Mac

2008-01-31 Thread Chris Williams
This is probably off topic, if you want to discuss off line, I'm happy to
help.

I do this daily, on three different Macs.  FWIW, I used to be an executive
at Microsoft, but use Macs in my daily life.  I retreat to Windows only as
needed.  I use Parallels, although others report good success with VMWare's
Fusion.  The answer to all your questions is yes, and then some.  You can
run windows and mac programs side by side on the same desktop or switch
environments on the fly if you prefer a now I'm here, ok, now I'm there
experience (easier on my head), or even choose the boot route.  The Windows
environment isn't some emulator, it's the real deal.  I write can programs
in VS, run Office, get viruses, everything.  Fortunately it's all confined
to that world.

As I said, I do this every day, follow up off line if you want more detailed
answers as this really has nothing to do with Web Standards.
Chris

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 Hi List,
  
 If this discussion is outside the scope of this group I apologize, I know it
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 it¹s more appropriate.
  
 I¹ve recently had my laptop stolen and am trying to get back on track as soon
 as possible, it was a Mac iBook from2005, and as I¹ve gone a bit deeper into
 web development since I purchased it I was under the impression that when I
 upgrade I should change over to Windows. My current situation has forced me to
 consider upgrading sooner than expected, so I have a few questions about the
 Windows environment on the new Macs. Specifically, can I run things like
 Microsoft Visual Studio? Flash Develop? Can I download and run .exe files? Is
 the Windows environment on Macintosh a true Windows environment and is it just
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 Thanks in advance for any advice offered, I am going to dig up the previous
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[WSG] Windows on a Mac

2008-01-31 Thread Tim MacKay
Hi List,

 

If this discussion is outside the scope of this group I apologize, I know it
was touched on a couple of weeks ago. Please email me off list if you feel
it's more appropriate.

 

I've recently had my laptop stolen and am trying to get back on track as
soon as possible, it was a Mac iBook from2005, and as I've gone a bit deeper
into web development since I purchased it I was under the impression that
when I upgrade I should change over to Windows. My current situation has
forced me to consider upgrading sooner than expected, so I have a few
questions about the Windows environment on the new Macs. Specifically, can I
run things like Microsoft Visual Studio? Flash Develop? Can I download and
run .exe files? Is the Windows environment on Macintosh a true Windows
environment and is it just a matter of switching OS's like I would switch
applications?

 

Thanks in advance for any advice offered, I am going to dig up the previous
threads on this topic from the last few weeks.

 

Cheers,

 

Tim



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Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy

2008-01-31 Thread Christian Snodgrass
When IE8 comes out, no, we won't be able to ignore IE7, and most likely 
not even IE6 yet. However, eventually, IE6 and IE7 will fade away, just 
like IE5 did.


James Leslie wrote:
 
  

It is the best solution they can come up with that won't destroy
  

everything that has been created in the past. Adding one line of code to
each of your pages is a lot more cost effective and time saving then all
of the hacks we currently have to do to get it to display properly in
IE6 and IE7.

---

But by this argument, you seem to think that we would no longer have to
support IE6 or 7 and not have to spend the time putting hacks in. These
browsers will still be around for a long time... Perhaps not so much IE7
but certainly IE6 due to older OS not being able to update.

My development plan will stay the same aside from having another browser
to check:

Code site in Firefox
Check in Opera, Safari, PLUS IE8 (standards mode)
Hack IE7 fixes
Hack IE6 fixes

Or alternatively I let IE8 act like IE7 and don't bother using an
updated engine as an updated engine. The only difference between now and
then in the above plan is that I would check IE8 standards mode and hope
that it renders the same as firefox, safari and other standards based
browsers. I may be missing something, but I really don't see where the
less work comes in for anyone who is coding to standards. For those who
have been churning out badly coded sites that don't work properly in
firefox/opera/etc and have always been coding for IE it is a blessing.
It is not so much about 'not breaking the web', as not breaking the
sites already breaking the web.

James



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Re: [WSG] linking to images with //

2008-01-31 Thread James Ellis
Hi
It's a bit difficult to work out what is going one given the image itself 
seems to be a 1x1 transparent gif. You may find that your browser is blocking 
these as they most likely represent web bugs, causing the issue you see.

the HTML spec redirects URI info to RFC2396. In section 3. URI Syntactic 
Components it gives a URI syntax as scheme://authoritypath?query
Further in on section 3.1 it reads:
Relative URI references are distinguished from absolute URI in that
   they do not begin with a scheme name.  Instead, the scheme is
   inherited from the base URI, as described in Section 5.2.

So, you may actually be finding that a URI without a scheme is inheriting from 
the base URI. Section 5.1.3 describes how a base URI could be constructed 
from the retrieval URI, which I am reading that if no scheme is present the 
document scheme is used (http / https / ftp / scp etc etc).

That being said, this is only an RFC so any support of it may be a fluke. Did 
you test the issue over various browsers or just one?

HTH
james



On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:01:03 am Taco Fleur wrote:
 Hello all,

 quick question; we signed up for scanalert.com and been given some HTML
 code to place a icon on our search engine www.clickfind.com.au

 I placed the code on the pages without really paying attention to it, after
 a while I discovered the image was linked as
 src=//images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif

 I never seen this before, but it worked! I changed it to
 src=http://images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif;
 and now it doesn't seem to load anymore, for an example see:
 http://www.clickfind.com.au/about-clickfind.cfm right next to Yahoo Web
 Service the scanalert icon should load.

 I have no idea whether the way they linked to the image is valid, does
 anyone know? I guess if it is, linking to the images that way would
 overcome any issues with linking to an image over HTTP or HTTPS


 Kind regards, Taco Fleur


   _

 clickfindT 1300 859 179
 www.clickfind.com.au http://www.clickfind.com.au/  the new Australian
 search engine for businesses, products and services .



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Re: [WSG] linking to images with //

2008-01-31 Thread Anders Nawroth


James Ellis skrev:

Relative URI references are distinguished from absolute URI in that
   they do not begin with a scheme name.  Instead, the scheme is
   inherited from the base URI, as described in Section 5.2.


// in the beginning of the URI says this is a network path.
I have no idea of how the browser support for this is, or how they 
choose to interpret it.


A single / in the beginning says this URI is relative to the domain of 
the document. So in a sense it's absolute, but the scheme and domain are 
omitted.

Browser support for this is excellent.

Can't find the correct references at the moment.

/andersN



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Re: [WSG] linking to images with //

2008-01-31 Thread Brian Cummiskey

Anders Nawroth wrote:



// in the beginning of the URI says this is a network path.
I have no idea of how the browser support for this is, or how they 
choose to interpret it.



scanalert/hackersafe publishes their badges with the img 
src=//path/image.gif / method.


I've yet to see a problem with it.



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Re: [WSG] linking to images with //

2008-01-31 Thread Paul Menard

On Jan 31, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Anders Nawroth wrote:



// in the beginning of the URI says this is a network path.
I have no idea of how the browser support for this is, or how they  
choose to interpret it.


A single / in the beginning says this URI is relative to the  
domain of the document. So in a sense it's absolute, but the scheme  
and domain are omitted.

Browser support for this is excellent.

Can't find the correct references at the moment.

/andersN



Interesting that this is the second discussion of the '//' notation  
I've seen across 2 different mailing lists.


In the other discussion it was more around how to deal with http and  
https CSS images references when the image was remote. The accepted  
solution goven by all was to use two different CSS files. My friend  
Ryan Joy noted (http://www.atxryan.com/2008/01/22/breaking-with-protocol/ 
) that using this '//' solved the issue in that it assumes whatever  
protocol being used by the delivered server.


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RE: [WSG] linking to images with //

2008-01-31 Thread Taco Fleur
Well, thats the question here.
 
It seems to work without in some browsers (if I'm not mistaken).
 
 

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Hi,
Should'nt that beimg src='http whatever?
Late

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Re: [WSG] linking to images with //

2008-01-31 Thread kate
Hi,
Should'nt that beimg src='http whatever?
Late

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RE: [WSG] linking to images with //

2008-01-31 Thread Taco Fleur
In the other discussion it was more around how to deal with http and https
CSS images references when the image was remote. The accepted solution goven
by all was to use two different CSS files. My friend Ryan Joy noted
(http://www.atxryan.com/2008/01/22/breaking-with-protocol/
) that using this '//' solved the issue in that it assumes whatever protocol
being used by the delivered server.

That's what I thought it would be useful for as well. The question still
remains; does it work in all browsers? I guess we've cleared up the fact
that it is allowed to reference to an image like this.



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Re: [WSG] linking to images with //

2008-01-31 Thread Ben Buchanan
I placed the code on the pages without really paying attention to it, after
 a while I discovered the image was linked as
 src=//images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif
 I never seen this before, but it worked! I changed it to src=
 http://images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif;
 and now it doesn't seem to load anymore, for an example see:
 http://www.clickfind.com.au/about-clickfind.cfm right next to Yahoo Web
 Service the scanalert icon should load.
 I have no idea whether the way they linked to the image is valid, does
 anyone know?


I've seen this before
but only in conjunction with Javascript that (we think) was completing
the URI before requesting the graphic. We actually had the opposite
issue though - without the full URI in our markup the whole page would
freeze until the // request timed out.


So I'm also curious to see what people here can tell us about this method!

 I guess if it is, linking to the images that way would overcome any issues
with linking to an image over HTTP or HTTPS

We thought it was probably something to do with that too.


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Re: [WSG] Windows on a Mac

2008-01-31 Thread Christian Snodgrass

Check out this: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html

Tim MacKay wrote:


Hi List,

If this discussion is outside the scope of this group I apologize, I 
know it was touched on a couple of weeks ago. Please email me off list 
if you feel it’s more appropriate.


I’ve recently had my laptop stolen and am trying to get back on track 
as soon as possible, it was a Mac iBook from2005, and as I’ve gone a 
bit deeper into web development since I purchased it I was under the 
impression that when I upgrade I should change over to Windows. My 
current situation has forced me to consider upgrading sooner than 
expected, so I have a few questions about the Windows environment on 
the new Macs. Specifically, can I run things like Microsoft Visual 
Studio? Flash Develop? Can I download and run .exe files? Is the 
Windows environment on Macintosh a true Windows environment and is it 
just a matter of switching OS’s like I would switch applications?


Thanks in advance for any advice offered, I am going to dig up the 
previous threads on this topic from the last few weeks.


Cheers,

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RE: [WSG] linking to images with //

2008-01-31 Thread Taco Fleur
Do you check your logs for 404s?

Like I said, when I published the code as they presented it, I got some 404
errors from browsers looking for the image on our domain.  

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Anders Nawroth wrote:

 
 // in the beginning of the URI says this is a network path.
 I have no idea of how the browser support for this is, or how they 
 choose to interpret it.


scanalert/hackersafe publishes their badges with the img
src=//path/image.gif / method.

I've yet to see a problem with it.



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RE: [WSG] linking to images with //

2008-01-31 Thread Taco Fleur
On a different note:
Just been speaking with ScanAlert, I tried to get them to understand that
their code does not validate since they used oncontextmenu, and border=0 -
I got a response saying that W3C standards is not widely accepted! 
 
Microsoft is not using it, Google is not using it and all other big
companies are not using it in the US. Apparently they did a lot of research
on this! I had to laugh, but then again, who am I, I could be wrong and they
could be right... Maybe Google and the rest really don't care, I personally
don't think so, but I'm just following the crowd! ;-)
 

Kind regards, Taco Fleur


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Re: [WSG] linking to images with //

2008-01-31 Thread Adam Martin
Can we please keep the discussions on topic, lately there have been a number
of threads having nothing to do with standards
Cheers
Adam

On Feb 1, 2008 10:04 AM, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do you check your logs for 404s?

 Like I said, when I published the code as they presented it, I got some
 404
 errors from browsers looking for the image on our domain.

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 Subject: Re: [WSG] linking to images with //

 Anders Nawroth wrote:

 
  // in the beginning of the URI says this is a network path.
  I have no idea of how the browser support for this is, or how they
  choose to interpret it.


 scanalert/hackersafe publishes their badges with the img
 src=//path/image.gif / method.

 I've yet to see a problem with it.



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RE: [WSG] linking to images with //

2008-01-31 Thread Taco Fleur
ooh sorry, I thought it had to do with standards...
My apologies. Thread closed.

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Can we please keep the discussions on topic, lately there have been a number
of threads having nothing to do with standards
Cheers
Adam


On Feb 1, 2008 10:04 AM, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Do you check your logs for 404s?

Like I said, when I published the code as they presented it, I got some 404
errors from browsers looking for the image on our domain.

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Subject: Re: [WSG] linking to images with //

Anders Nawroth wrote:


 // in the beginning of the URI says this is a network path.
 I have no idea of how the browser support for this is, or how they
 choose to interpret it.


scanalert/hackersafe publishes their badges with the img
src=//path/image.gif / method.

I've yet to see a problem with it.



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RE: [WSG] linking to images with //

2008-01-31 Thread Taco Fleur
This is interesting!

Are saying it should be src=://images.scanalert.com. Instead of
src=//images.scanalert.com ?

I have not tested it in any other browser than i.e6 and firefox 2

The only reason I found out about the way it was coded was because I got a
report of 404 errors, so I'm thinking you might be right in regards to it
working in some browsers and not in others. 

I got a few 404 errors like
http://www.clickfind.com.au//images.scanalert.com. So I'm guessing the
browser did not detect the schema there.



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Hi
It's a bit difficult to work out what is going one given the image itself
seems to be a 1x1 transparent gif. You may find that your browser is
blocking these as they most likely represent web bugs, causing the issue
you see.

the HTML spec redirects URI info to RFC2396. In section 3. URI Syntactic
Components it gives a URI syntax as scheme://authoritypath?query
Further in on section 3.1 it reads:
Relative URI references are distinguished from absolute URI in that
   they do not begin with a scheme name.  Instead, the scheme is
   inherited from the base URI, as described in Section 5.2.

So, you may actually be finding that a URI without a scheme is inheriting
from the base URI. Section 5.1.3 describes how a base URI could be
constructed from the retrieval URI, which I am reading that if no scheme is
present the document scheme is used (http / https / ftp / scp etc etc).

That being said, this is only an RFC so any support of it may be a fluke.
Did you test the issue over various browsers or just one?

HTH
james



On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:01:03 am Taco Fleur wrote:
 Hello all,

 quick question; we signed up for scanalert.com and been given some 
 HTML code to place a icon on our search engine www.clickfind.com.au

 I placed the code on the pages without really paying attention to it, 
 after a while I discovered the image was linked as 
 src=//images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif

 I never seen this before, but it worked! I changed it to 
 src=http://images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif;
 and now it doesn't seem to load anymore, for an example see:
 http://www.clickfind.com.au/about-clickfind.cfm right next to Yahoo 
 Web Service the scanalert icon should load.

 I have no idea whether the way they linked to the image is valid, does 
 anyone know? I guess if it is, linking to the images that way would 
 overcome any issues with linking to an image over HTTP or HTTPS


 Kind regards, Taco Fleur


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RE: [WSG] Web Publishing Guidelines

2008-01-31 Thread Kane Tapping
The Griffith University Web Style Guide
http://www.griffith.edu.au/web-publishing/web-style-guide/

It covers range of Corporate branding, Information architecture, writing 
for the web, and web standards issues.

I think its good, but I may be biased :-)
Kind Regards,

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I can recomment the Dutch Guidelines: 
http://www.webrichtlijnen.nl/english/
 
Regards,
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Hi everyone, 
I'm currently working on a new set of web publishing standards or 
guidelines.  The New Zealand Government Web Standards and Recommendations 
[ http://webstandards.govt.nz/index.php/Home_page ] are a great 
inspiration, as well as the W3C standards of course.

Just wondering if others can refer me to good examples? 
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RE: [WSG] Web Publishing Guidelines [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2008-01-31 Thread Grace, Gordon
The Australian Government Web Publishing Guidelines:
 
http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au


The Griffith University Web Style Guide 
http://www.griffith.edu.au/web-publishing/web-style-guide/

I can recomment the Dutch Guidelines: 
http://www.webrichtlijnen.nl/english/ http://www.webrichtlijnen.nl/english/  
  
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Hi everyone, 

I'm currently working on a new set of web publishing standards or 
guidelines.  The New Zealand Government Web Standards and Recommendations [ 
http://webstandards.govt.nz/index.php/Home_page 
http://webstandards.govt.nz/index.php/Home_page  ] are a great inspiration, 
as well as the W3C standards of course. 

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Re: [WSG] Windows on a Mac

2008-01-31 Thread Chris Broadfoot

Tim MacKay wrote:

Hi List,



snip

I have a few questions about the Windows environment on the 
new Macs. Specifically, can I run things like Microsoft Visual Studio? 
Flash Develop? Can I download and run .exe files? Is the Windows 
environment on Macintosh a true Windows environment and is it just a 
matter of switching OS’s like I would switch applications?




You'll either need to run Windows under a virtualised environment using 
  programs such as Parallels Desktop or VMWare Fusion, or you can use 
Bootcamp to run Windows natively.


Both of them provide seamless (as much as it can be) integration between 
OSX and Windows, however if you run Bootcamp, you'll be booted into 
Windows and need a restart to get back into OSX.


You can develop Flash on OSX so I don't see why you require Windows for 
this.


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Re: [WSG] Windows on a Mac

2008-01-31 Thread Christian Snodgrass
On an Intel-based processor, you should be able to actually install 
Windows onto a Mac machine. I've never personally tested this, but it 
makes sense to me. If that is the case, then it will function just like 
Windows on any other PC build, so you can run anything that you would 
normally run.


Another option is virtual machines, where you can run Windows from 
within a Mac OS. In this case, it would be just like another program you 
are running, although from within that virtual Windows you can do 
anything that you could with a normal installation of Windows.


Sorry to here about your laptop.

Tim MacKay wrote:


Hi List,

If this discussion is outside the scope of this group I apologize, I 
know it was touched on a couple of weeks ago. Please email me off list 
if you feel it’s more appropriate.


I’ve recently had my laptop stolen and am trying to get back on track 
as soon as possible, it was a Mac iBook from2005, and as I’ve gone a 
bit deeper into web development since I purchased it I was under the 
impression that when I upgrade I should change over to Windows. My 
current situation has forced me to consider upgrading sooner than 
expected, so I have a few questions about the Windows environment on 
the new Macs. Specifically, can I run things like Microsoft Visual 
Studio? Flash Develop? Can I download and run .exe files? Is the 
Windows environment on Macintosh a true Windows environment and is it 
just a matter of switching OS’s like I would switch applications?


Thanks in advance for any advice offered, I am going to dig up the 
previous threads on this topic from the last few weeks.


Cheers,

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