Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type
Why sniff out browsers that accept XML? If the document is marked as XHTML 1.1 it should allways be sent as XML. ... That is true, but Internet Explorer does not support XHTML. HTML 4.01/5 ftw :) Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type
Thomas Thomassen wrote: Why sniff out browsers that accept XML? If the document is marked as XHTML 1.1 it should allways be sent as XML. Though, I have seen people sniffing out browsers and using server side scripting to change the doctype. XHTML 1.1 to browsers than supports it, and XHTML 1.0 with the html mime to older browsers. Which is meaningless since the document effectivly is XHTML 1.0. Maybe, but coding in xhtml1.1 makes you MUCH more fussy about syntax etc. and it shows up any 'well formed' errors as soon as you browse. So, whilst the user will know nothing about all this, it makes you as a designer get lots of practice in using the stricter syntax, ready for some day in the future when you will need it. Maybe :-) Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type
Designer wrote: Maybe, but coding in xhtml1.1 makes you MUCH more fussy about syntax etc. and it shows up any 'well formed' errors as soon as you browse. So, whilst the user will know nothing about all this, it makes you as a designer get lots of practice in using the stricter syntax, ready for some day in the future when you will need it. Maybe :-) Yes, Maybe :-) I don't know if this is a stable feature, but when I write documents in XHTML 1.0 (intended to be served as 'text/html'), Opera 9.5 beta (build 9694) treats it as 'text/xml' off-line and refuses to render it if it isn't well-formed and up to standard. Same document is treated as 'text/html' on-line - as intended. Opera's behavior gives me immediate feedback during the design-phase without having to bother with MIME type switching. No such on/off-line MIME type switching in available versions of other browsers AFAIK. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type
There's no difference between XHTML 1.1 and XHTML 1.0 Strict. XHTML 1.1 only advantage is that it's modulized and can only be sent as XML so it can be extended. If you're not extending it then you're better off with XHTML 1.0. - Original Message - From: Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type Thomas Thomassen wrote: Why sniff out browsers that accept XML? If the document is marked as XHTML 1.1 it should allways be sent as XML. Though, I have seen people sniffing out browsers and using server side scripting to change the doctype. XHTML 1.1 to browsers than supports it, and XHTML 1.0 with the html mime to older browsers. Which is meaningless since the document effectivly is XHTML 1.0. Maybe, but coding in xhtml1.1 makes you MUCH more fussy about syntax etc. and it shows up any 'well formed' errors as soon as you browse. So, whilst the user will know nothing about all this, it makes you as a designer get lots of practice in using the stricter syntax, ready for some day in the future when you will need it. Maybe :-) Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Web Publishing Guidelines
Hi everyone, I'm currently working on a new set of web publishing standards or guidelines. The New Zealand Government Web Standards and Recommendations [ http://webstandards.govt.nz/index.php/Home_page ] are a great inspiration, as well as the W3C standards of course. Just wondering if others can refer me to good examples? Cheers! Mark This e-mail originates from the City of Ottawa e-mail system. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient(s) is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me at the telephone number shown above or by return e-mail and delete this communication and any copy immediately. Thank you. Le présent courriel a été expédié par le système de courriels de la Ville d'Ottawa. Toute distribution, utilisation ou reproduction du courriel ou des renseignements qui s'y trouvent par une personne autre que son destinataire prévu est interdite. Si vous avez reçu le message par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser par téléphone (au numéro précité) ou par courriel, puis supprimer sans délai la version originale de la communication ainsi que toutes ses copies. Je vous remercie de votre collaboration. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
Thomas Thomassen skrev: Yes, that is an issue. But saving webpages to disc has always been unreliable. Espesially now with the extensive use of AJAX and other embedded and streamed content. Not to mention IE:s habit of botching up the markup badly. Valid and well-formed XHTML will often be saved with tagnames and attributes in UPPER CASE! That an UA might automatically insert a meta-tag for IE-dummy-mode is not that hard to imagine, though. The problem is that it would have to *required* behaviour for *every* UA! And that includes Lynx -dump, wget, and every other program that people use for scripted solutions. Lars Gunther Who uses wget a lot... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: One question that I have yet to see anyone ask is: How good will IE8 actually be? If it is perfect, then there is no need to worry about future versions... No browser is, and never will be perfect. (Look at Acid 3. http://acid3.acidtests.org/ And when most browsers get that one, we will get Acid 4. Ian even has registered a domain name!) I do not think this applies to you, but I've seen lots of comments lately on blogs and forums complaining about IE - that claims CSS 3 compliance in FFox, Opera or Safari. And that demands perfect CSS 3 compliance in IE 8. That is some kind of ignorance about the current state of CSS support as well as CSS 3 in itself. Here is the bottom line. If a browser claims to support a (part of a) standard, it must do so with 99,9 % perfection. Mozilla is taking a very wise route in being rather slow to move from experimental support (-moz-box-sizing, -moz-opacity and -moz-border-radius) to full support. IE7 fixed bugs, but also added features (selector support). I think more harm (=sites breaking) was done by the added features, than by the bugfixes. As for IE I said it before and I'll say it again. NDAs and secrecy is a fertile ground for mistrust. Open bug databases is the best way to keep developers happy. Lars Gunther P.S. In case anyone has missed it. This we can demand from a browser today: - Full CSS 2.1 support (except for those minute edge-cases where the errata still have not been finalized). - Full support for CSS 3 selectors - Full support for CSS 3 color (except for one small part of the spec) - Full support for CSS namespaces + Experimental support for background and borders + Experimental support for media-queries + Paged media and print http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-css-beijing-20071019/ Unresolved issues/needed errata for CSS 2.1: http://csswg.inkedblade.net/spec/css2.1 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type
Thomas Thomassen skrev: There's no difference between XHTML 1.1 and XHTML 1.0 Strict. XHTML 1.1 only advantage is that it's modulized Not entirely true. XHTML 1.1 includes ruby. and can only be sent as XML so it can be extended. If you're not extending it then you're better off with XHTML 1.0. FWIW - and I do not wish to reopen the considered harmful debate - appendix C allows for sending XHTML 1.1 as well as XHTML 1.0 as text/html. (That's a recent change in the specs that few seem to know about.) Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type
Now that's new to me. Will have to read up on that. But then I see no point in XHTML 1.1, because wasn't it mean to be modulized and extendible by XML? - Original Message - From: Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type Thomas Thomassen skrev: There's no difference between XHTML 1.1 and XHTML 1.0 Strict. XHTML 1.1 only advantage is that it's modulized Not entirely true. XHTML 1.1 includes ruby. and can only be sent as XML so it can be extended. If you're not extending it then you're better off with XHTML 1.0. FWIW - and I do not wish to reopen the considered harmful debate - appendix C allows for sending XHTML 1.1 as well as XHTML 1.0 as text/html. (That's a recent change in the specs that few seem to know about.) Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type
... FWIW - and I do not wish to reopen the considered harmful debate - appendix C allows for sending XHTML 1.1 as well as XHTML 1.0 as text/html. (That's a recent change in the specs that few seem to know about.) Can you elaborate what appendix C are you talking about? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/xhtml-media-types.html#summary (latest version, supposedly) does not confirm this. Regards, Rimantas -- http://rimantas.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Web Publishing Guidelines
I can recomment the Dutch Guidelines: http://www.webrichtlijnen.nl/english/ Regards, Koen Willems -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Faul, Mark Verzonden: donderdag 31 januari 2008 16:04 Aan: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Onderwerp: [WSG] Web Publishing Guidelines Hi everyone, I'm currently working on a new set of web publishing standards or guidelines. The New Zealand Government Web Standards and Recommendations [ http://webstandards.govt.nz/index.php/Home_page ] are a great inspiration, as well as the W3C standards of course. Just wondering if others can refer me to good examples? Cheers! Mark This e-mail originates from the City of Ottawa e-mail system. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient(s) is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me at the telephone number shown above or by return e-mail and delete this communication and any copy immediately. Thank you. Le présent courriel a été expédié par le système de courriels de la Ville d'Ottawa. Toute distribution, utilisation ou reproduction du courriel ou des renseignements qui s'y trouvent par une personne autre que son destinataire prévu est interdite. Si vous avez reçu le message par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser par téléphone (au numéro précité) ou par courriel, puis supprimer sans délai la version originale de la communication ainsi que toutes ses copies. Je vous remercie de votre collaboration. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Conflict between Mime Type and Document Type
Rimantas Liubertas skrev: Can you elaborate what appendix C are you talking about? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-media-types/xhtml-media-types.html#summary (latest version, supposedly) does not confirm this. The 2nd edition opens things up a bit: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/xhtml11-diff.html#strict Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] linking to images with //
Hello all, quick question; we signed up for scanalert.com and been given some HTML code to place a icon on our search engine www.clickfind.com.au I placed the code on the pages without really paying attention to it, after a while I discovered the image was linked as src=//images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif I never seen this before, but it worked! I changed it to src=http://images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif; and now it doesn't seem to load anymore, for an example see: http://www.clickfind.com.au/about-clickfind.cfm right next to Yahoo Web Service the scanalert icon should load. I have no idea whether the way they linked to the image is valid, does anyone know? I guess if it is, linking to the images that way would overcome any issues with linking to an image over HTTP or HTTPS Kind regards, Taco Fleur _ clickfindT 1300 859 179 www.clickfind.com.au http://www.clickfind.com.au/ the new Australian search engine for businesses, products and services . *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Windows on a Mac
This is probably off topic, if you want to discuss off line, I'm happy to help. I do this daily, on three different Macs. FWIW, I used to be an executive at Microsoft, but use Macs in my daily life. I retreat to Windows only as needed. I use Parallels, although others report good success with VMWare's Fusion. The answer to all your questions is yes, and then some. You can run windows and mac programs side by side on the same desktop or switch environments on the fly if you prefer a now I'm here, ok, now I'm there experience (easier on my head), or even choose the boot route. The Windows environment isn't some emulator, it's the real deal. I write can programs in VS, run Office, get viruses, everything. Fortunately it's all confined to that world. As I said, I do this every day, follow up off line if you want more detailed answers as this really has nothing to do with Web Standards. Chris On 1/30/08 2:22 PM, Tim MacKay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, If this discussion is outside the scope of this group I apologize, I know it was touched on a couple of weeks ago. Please email me off list if you feel it¹s more appropriate. I¹ve recently had my laptop stolen and am trying to get back on track as soon as possible, it was a Mac iBook from2005, and as I¹ve gone a bit deeper into web development since I purchased it I was under the impression that when I upgrade I should change over to Windows. My current situation has forced me to consider upgrading sooner than expected, so I have a few questions about the Windows environment on the new Macs. Specifically, can I run things like Microsoft Visual Studio? Flash Develop? Can I download and run .exe files? Is the Windows environment on Macintosh a true Windows environment and is it just a matter of switching OS¹s like I would switch applications? Thanks in advance for any advice offered, I am going to dig up the previous threads on this topic from the last few weeks. Cheers, Tim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Windows on a Mac
Hi List, If this discussion is outside the scope of this group I apologize, I know it was touched on a couple of weeks ago. Please email me off list if you feel it's more appropriate. I've recently had my laptop stolen and am trying to get back on track as soon as possible, it was a Mac iBook from2005, and as I've gone a bit deeper into web development since I purchased it I was under the impression that when I upgrade I should change over to Windows. My current situation has forced me to consider upgrading sooner than expected, so I have a few questions about the Windows environment on the new Macs. Specifically, can I run things like Microsoft Visual Studio? Flash Develop? Can I download and run .exe files? Is the Windows environment on Macintosh a true Windows environment and is it just a matter of switching OS's like I would switch applications? Thanks in advance for any advice offered, I am going to dig up the previous threads on this topic from the last few weeks. Cheers, Tim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] This IE8 controversy
When IE8 comes out, no, we won't be able to ignore IE7, and most likely not even IE6 yet. However, eventually, IE6 and IE7 will fade away, just like IE5 did. James Leslie wrote: It is the best solution they can come up with that won't destroy everything that has been created in the past. Adding one line of code to each of your pages is a lot more cost effective and time saving then all of the hacks we currently have to do to get it to display properly in IE6 and IE7. --- But by this argument, you seem to think that we would no longer have to support IE6 or 7 and not have to spend the time putting hacks in. These browsers will still be around for a long time... Perhaps not so much IE7 but certainly IE6 due to older OS not being able to update. My development plan will stay the same aside from having another browser to check: Code site in Firefox Check in Opera, Safari, PLUS IE8 (standards mode) Hack IE7 fixes Hack IE6 fixes Or alternatively I let IE8 act like IE7 and don't bother using an updated engine as an updated engine. The only difference between now and then in the above plan is that I would check IE8 standards mode and hope that it renders the same as firefox, safari and other standards based browsers. I may be missing something, but I really don't see where the less work comes in for anyone who is coding to standards. For those who have been churning out badly coded sites that don't work properly in firefox/opera/etc and have always been coding for IE it is a blessing. It is not so much about 'not breaking the web', as not breaking the sites already breaking the web. James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PLease remove me
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Re: [WSG] linking to images with //
Hi It's a bit difficult to work out what is going one given the image itself seems to be a 1x1 transparent gif. You may find that your browser is blocking these as they most likely represent web bugs, causing the issue you see. the HTML spec redirects URI info to RFC2396. In section 3. URI Syntactic Components it gives a URI syntax as scheme://authoritypath?query Further in on section 3.1 it reads: Relative URI references are distinguished from absolute URI in that they do not begin with a scheme name. Instead, the scheme is inherited from the base URI, as described in Section 5.2. So, you may actually be finding that a URI without a scheme is inheriting from the base URI. Section 5.1.3 describes how a base URI could be constructed from the retrieval URI, which I am reading that if no scheme is present the document scheme is used (http / https / ftp / scp etc etc). That being said, this is only an RFC so any support of it may be a fluke. Did you test the issue over various browsers or just one? HTH james On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:01:03 am Taco Fleur wrote: Hello all, quick question; we signed up for scanalert.com and been given some HTML code to place a icon on our search engine www.clickfind.com.au I placed the code on the pages without really paying attention to it, after a while I discovered the image was linked as src=//images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif I never seen this before, but it worked! I changed it to src=http://images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif; and now it doesn't seem to load anymore, for an example see: http://www.clickfind.com.au/about-clickfind.cfm right next to Yahoo Web Service the scanalert icon should load. I have no idea whether the way they linked to the image is valid, does anyone know? I guess if it is, linking to the images that way would overcome any issues with linking to an image over HTTP or HTTPS Kind regards, Taco Fleur _ clickfindT 1300 859 179 www.clickfind.com.au http://www.clickfind.com.au/ the new Australian search engine for businesses, products and services . *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] linking to images with //
James Ellis skrev: Relative URI references are distinguished from absolute URI in that they do not begin with a scheme name. Instead, the scheme is inherited from the base URI, as described in Section 5.2. // in the beginning of the URI says this is a network path. I have no idea of how the browser support for this is, or how they choose to interpret it. A single / in the beginning says this URI is relative to the domain of the document. So in a sense it's absolute, but the scheme and domain are omitted. Browser support for this is excellent. Can't find the correct references at the moment. /andersN *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] linking to images with //
Anders Nawroth wrote: // in the beginning of the URI says this is a network path. I have no idea of how the browser support for this is, or how they choose to interpret it. scanalert/hackersafe publishes their badges with the img src=//path/image.gif / method. I've yet to see a problem with it. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] linking to images with //
On Jan 31, 2008, at 5:17 PM, Anders Nawroth wrote: // in the beginning of the URI says this is a network path. I have no idea of how the browser support for this is, or how they choose to interpret it. A single / in the beginning says this URI is relative to the domain of the document. So in a sense it's absolute, but the scheme and domain are omitted. Browser support for this is excellent. Can't find the correct references at the moment. /andersN Interesting that this is the second discussion of the '//' notation I've seen across 2 different mailing lists. In the other discussion it was more around how to deal with http and https CSS images references when the image was remote. The accepted solution goven by all was to use two different CSS files. My friend Ryan Joy noted (http://www.atxryan.com/2008/01/22/breaking-with-protocol/ ) that using this '//' solved the issue in that it assumes whatever protocol being used by the delivered server. Paul Menard Paul Menard [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://codehooligans.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] linking to images with //
Well, thats the question here. It seems to work without in some browsers (if I'm not mistaken). _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kate Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 8:31 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] linking to images with // Hi, Should'nt that beimg src='http whatever? Late *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] linking to images with //
Hi, Should'nt that beimg src='http whatever? Late *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] linking to images with //
In the other discussion it was more around how to deal with http and https CSS images references when the image was remote. The accepted solution goven by all was to use two different CSS files. My friend Ryan Joy noted (http://www.atxryan.com/2008/01/22/breaking-with-protocol/ ) that using this '//' solved the issue in that it assumes whatever protocol being used by the delivered server. That's what I thought it would be useful for as well. The question still remains; does it work in all browsers? I guess we've cleared up the fact that it is allowed to reference to an image like this. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] linking to images with //
I placed the code on the pages without really paying attention to it, after a while I discovered the image was linked as src=//images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif I never seen this before, but it worked! I changed it to src= http://images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif; and now it doesn't seem to load anymore, for an example see: http://www.clickfind.com.au/about-clickfind.cfm right next to Yahoo Web Service the scanalert icon should load. I have no idea whether the way they linked to the image is valid, does anyone know? I've seen this before but only in conjunction with Javascript that (we think) was completing the URI before requesting the graphic. We actually had the opposite issue though - without the full URI in our markup the whole page would freeze until the // request timed out. So I'm also curious to see what people here can tell us about this method! I guess if it is, linking to the images that way would overcome any issues with linking to an image over HTTP or HTTPS We thought it was probably something to do with that too. -- --- http://weblog.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Windows on a Mac
Check out this: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bootcamp.html Tim MacKay wrote: Hi List, If this discussion is outside the scope of this group I apologize, I know it was touched on a couple of weeks ago. Please email me off list if you feel it’s more appropriate. I’ve recently had my laptop stolen and am trying to get back on track as soon as possible, it was a Mac iBook from2005, and as I’ve gone a bit deeper into web development since I purchased it I was under the impression that when I upgrade I should change over to Windows. My current situation has forced me to consider upgrading sooner than expected, so I have a few questions about the Windows environment on the new Macs. Specifically, can I run things like Microsoft Visual Studio? Flash Develop? Can I download and run .exe files? Is the Windows environment on Macintosh a true Windows environment and is it just a matter of switching OS’s like I would switch applications? Thanks in advance for any advice offered, I am going to dig up the previous threads on this topic from the last few weeks. Cheers, Tim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] linking to images with //
Do you check your logs for 404s? Like I said, when I published the code as they presented it, I got some 404 errors from browsers looking for the image on our domain. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cummiskey Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:46 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] linking to images with // Anders Nawroth wrote: // in the beginning of the URI says this is a network path. I have no idea of how the browser support for this is, or how they choose to interpret it. scanalert/hackersafe publishes their badges with the img src=//path/image.gif / method. I've yet to see a problem with it. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] linking to images with //
On a different note: Just been speaking with ScanAlert, I tried to get them to understand that their code does not validate since they used oncontextmenu, and border=0 - I got a response saying that W3C standards is not widely accepted! Microsoft is not using it, Google is not using it and all other big companies are not using it in the US. Apparently they did a lot of research on this! I had to laugh, but then again, who am I, I could be wrong and they could be right... Maybe Google and the rest really don't care, I personally don't think so, but I'm just following the crowd! ;-) Kind regards, Taco Fleur _ clickfindT 1300 859 179 www.clickfind.com.au http://www.clickfind.com.au/ the new Australian search engine for businesses, products and services . *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] linking to images with //
Can we please keep the discussions on topic, lately there have been a number of threads having nothing to do with standards Cheers Adam On Feb 1, 2008 10:04 AM, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you check your logs for 404s? Like I said, when I published the code as they presented it, I got some 404 errors from browsers looking for the image on our domain. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cummiskey Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:46 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] linking to images with // Anders Nawroth wrote: // in the beginning of the URI says this is a network path. I have no idea of how the browser support for this is, or how they choose to interpret it. scanalert/hackersafe publishes their badges with the img src=//path/image.gif / method. I've yet to see a problem with it. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] linking to images with //
ooh sorry, I thought it had to do with standards... My apologies. Thread closed. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Martin Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 11:17 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] linking to images with // Can we please keep the discussions on topic, lately there have been a number of threads having nothing to do with standards Cheers Adam On Feb 1, 2008 10:04 AM, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you check your logs for 404s? Like I said, when I published the code as they presented it, I got some 404 errors from browsers looking for the image on our domain. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Cummiskey Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:46 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] linking to images with // Anders Nawroth wrote: // in the beginning of the URI says this is a network path. I have no idea of how the browser support for this is, or how they choose to interpret it. scanalert/hackersafe publishes their badges with the img src=//path/image.gif / method. I've yet to see a problem with it. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- - http://myfitness.ning.com A community of people that care about their health and fitness Free fitness videos, recipes, blogs, photos etc. -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] linking to images with //
This is interesting! Are saying it should be src=://images.scanalert.com. Instead of src=//images.scanalert.com ? I have not tested it in any other browser than i.e6 and firefox 2 The only reason I found out about the way it was coded was because I got a report of 404 errors, so I'm thinking you might be right in regards to it working in some browsers and not in others. I got a few 404 errors like http://www.clickfind.com.au//images.scanalert.com. So I'm guessing the browser did not detect the schema there. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Ellis Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 8:45 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] linking to images with // Hi It's a bit difficult to work out what is going one given the image itself seems to be a 1x1 transparent gif. You may find that your browser is blocking these as they most likely represent web bugs, causing the issue you see. the HTML spec redirects URI info to RFC2396. In section 3. URI Syntactic Components it gives a URI syntax as scheme://authoritypath?query Further in on section 3.1 it reads: Relative URI references are distinguished from absolute URI in that they do not begin with a scheme name. Instead, the scheme is inherited from the base URI, as described in Section 5.2. So, you may actually be finding that a URI without a scheme is inheriting from the base URI. Section 5.1.3 describes how a base URI could be constructed from the retrieval URI, which I am reading that if no scheme is present the document scheme is used (http / https / ftp / scp etc etc). That being said, this is only an RFC so any support of it may be a fluke. Did you test the issue over various browsers or just one? HTH james On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 09:01:03 am Taco Fleur wrote: Hello all, quick question; we signed up for scanalert.com and been given some HTML code to place a icon on our search engine www.clickfind.com.au I placed the code on the pages without really paying attention to it, after a while I discovered the image was linked as src=//images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif I never seen this before, but it worked! I changed it to src=http://images.scanalert.com/meter/www.clickfind.com.au/12gif; and now it doesn't seem to load anymore, for an example see: http://www.clickfind.com.au/about-clickfind.cfm right next to Yahoo Web Service the scanalert icon should load. I have no idea whether the way they linked to the image is valid, does anyone know? I guess if it is, linking to the images that way would overcome any issues with linking to an image over HTTP or HTTPS Kind regards, Taco Fleur _ clickfindT 1300 859 179 www.clickfind.com.au http://www.clickfind.com.au/ the new Australian search engine for businesses, products and services . *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Web Publishing Guidelines
The Griffith University Web Style Guide http://www.griffith.edu.au/web-publishing/web-style-guide/ It covers range of Corporate branding, Information architecture, writing for the web, and web standards issues. I think its good, but I may be biased :-) Kind Regards, Kane Tapping Web Standards Developer Web and Content Management Services Griffith University. 4111. Australia. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +61 (0)7 3735 7630 Koen Willems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/02/2008 05:30 AM Please respond to wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To wsg@webstandardsgroup.org cc Subject RE: [WSG] Web Publishing Guidelines I can recomment the Dutch Guidelines: http://www.webrichtlijnen.nl/english/ Regards, Koen Willems -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Faul, Mark Verzonden: donderdag 31 januari 2008 16:04 Aan: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Onderwerp: [WSG] Web Publishing Guidelines Hi everyone, I'm currently working on a new set of web publishing standards or guidelines. The New Zealand Government Web Standards and Recommendations [ http://webstandards.govt.nz/index.php/Home_page ] are a great inspiration, as well as the W3C standards of course. Just wondering if others can refer me to good examples? Cheers! Mark This e-mail originates from the City of Ottawa e-mail system. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient(s) is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me at the telephone number shown above or by return e-mail and delete this communication and any copy immediately. Thank you. Le présent courriel a été expédié par le système de courriels de la Ville d'Ottawa. Toute distribution, utilisation ou reproduction du courriel ou des renseignements qui s'y trouvent par une personne autre que son destinataire prévu est interdite. Si vous avez reçu le message par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser par téléphone (au numéro précité) ou par courriel, puis supprimer sans délai la version originale de la communication ainsi que toutes ses copies. Je vous remercie de votre collaboration. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Web Publishing Guidelines [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
The Australian Government Web Publishing Guidelines: http://webpublishing.agimo.gov.au The Griffith University Web Style Guide http://www.griffith.edu.au/web-publishing/web-style-guide/ I can recomment the Dutch Guidelines: http://www.webrichtlijnen.nl/english/ http://www.webrichtlijnen.nl/english/ Regards, Koen Willems -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Faul, Mark Verzonden: donderdag 31 januari 2008 16:04 Aan: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Onderwerp: [WSG] Web Publishing Guidelines Hi everyone, I'm currently working on a new set of web publishing standards or guidelines. The New Zealand Government Web Standards and Recommendations [ http://webstandards.govt.nz/index.php/Home_page http://webstandards.govt.nz/index.php/Home_page ] are a great inspiration, as well as the W3C standards of course. Just wondering if others can refer me to good examples? Cheers! Mark This e-mail originates from the City of Ottawa e-mail system. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than the intended recipient(s) is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me at the telephone number shown above or by return e-mail and delete this communication and any copy immediately. Thank you. Le présent courriel a été expédié par le système de courriels de la Ville d'Ottawa. Toute distribution, utilisation ou reproduction du courriel ou des renseignements qui s'y trouvent par une personne autre que son destinataire prévu est interdite. Si vous avez reçu le message par erreur, veuillez m'en aviser par téléphone (au numéro précité) ou par courriel, puis supprimer sans délai la version originale de la communication ainsi que toutes ses copies. Je vous remercie de votre collaboration. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Finance Australian Business Number (ABN): 61 970 632 495 Finance Web Site: www.finance.gov.au IMPORTANT: This transmission is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by telephone on 61-2-6215- and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. If responding to this email, please send to the appropriate person using the suffix .gov.au. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Windows on a Mac
Tim MacKay wrote: Hi List, snip I have a few questions about the Windows environment on the new Macs. Specifically, can I run things like Microsoft Visual Studio? Flash Develop? Can I download and run .exe files? Is the Windows environment on Macintosh a true Windows environment and is it just a matter of switching OS’s like I would switch applications? You'll either need to run Windows under a virtualised environment using programs such as Parallels Desktop or VMWare Fusion, or you can use Bootcamp to run Windows natively. Both of them provide seamless (as much as it can be) integration between OSX and Windows, however if you run Bootcamp, you'll be booted into Windows and need a restart to get back into OSX. You can develop Flash on OSX so I don't see why you require Windows for this. Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Windows on a Mac
On an Intel-based processor, you should be able to actually install Windows onto a Mac machine. I've never personally tested this, but it makes sense to me. If that is the case, then it will function just like Windows on any other PC build, so you can run anything that you would normally run. Another option is virtual machines, where you can run Windows from within a Mac OS. In this case, it would be just like another program you are running, although from within that virtual Windows you can do anything that you could with a normal installation of Windows. Sorry to here about your laptop. Tim MacKay wrote: Hi List, If this discussion is outside the scope of this group I apologize, I know it was touched on a couple of weeks ago. Please email me off list if you feel it’s more appropriate. I’ve recently had my laptop stolen and am trying to get back on track as soon as possible, it was a Mac iBook from2005, and as I’ve gone a bit deeper into web development since I purchased it I was under the impression that when I upgrade I should change over to Windows. My current situation has forced me to consider upgrading sooner than expected, so I have a few questions about the Windows environment on the new Macs. Specifically, can I run things like Microsoft Visual Studio? Flash Develop? Can I download and run .exe files? Is the Windows environment on Macintosh a true Windows environment and is it just a matter of switching OS’s like I would switch applications? Thanks in advance for any advice offered, I am going to dig up the previous threads on this topic from the last few weeks. Cheers, Tim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ http://www.arwebdesign.net Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PLease remove me
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